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Ok, so me and my bro were reading stuff about the precursors and evidently we were mind banged. I have not read the books on them but we read about Halo stuff on Halo Nation (idk if it is trustworthy or not) but was wondering if someone could give me a break down of what the hell is going on?!?!?!

My knowledge so far from what i have read is that the precursors are the "creators" of the flood and they used them against the Forerunners in the war and then there was the prisoner that was found by "post-ring fired" humans and he was a GRAVEMIND?!

I know i should read the books but i dont have them and dont have the means to get them yet and i just want a run down....but i am ready for a 2-3 page long response.

  • 04.02.2012 6:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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The Precursors are basically god. They have some Mantle preaching galactic guardianship and for some reason want someone to uphold it. Therefore they create races and test them. Every single one has failed and were destroyed. Forerunners were on the chopping block, yet were able to rebel and drive the Precursors off. So they created the Flood in parts unknown and used it to save humanity after the Forerunners defeated them in the Forerunner-human War and used it to defeat the Forerunners who proceeded to Hiroshamify the galaxy to try and stop the Flood.

Humanity is the next to be tested with the Flood.

  • 04.02.2012 7:04 PM PDT

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And dont the humans pass the flood test when they sacrifice 1/3 of the human population??

  • 04.02.2012 7:17 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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They did, but the Precursors have changed the rules and now ALL must be assimilated by the Flood.

  • 04.02.2012 7:24 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
They did, but the Precursors have changed the rules and now ALL must be assimilated by the Flood.


I get the impression that not all Precursors want this. A collection of the most advanced races in history will lead to disputes and probably bloodshed. I'm just guessing, but maybe we'll get some help.

Besides, how else can the contemporary universe compete with them otherwise?

[Edited on 04.02.2012 7:35 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2012 7:35 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
They did, but the Precursors have changed the rules and now ALL must be assimilated by the Flood.


I get the impression that not all Precursors want this. A collection of the most advanced races in history will lead to disputes and probably bloodshed. I'm just guessing, but maybe we'll get some help.

Besides, how else can the contemporary universe compete with them otherwise?


They could all just be hypocrites, like all gods have been in religions.

  • 04.02.2012 7:37 PM PDT

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But isn't there only one Precursor left...The Prisoner?? And if so, then how could only one make the flood "absorb" ALL life?

  • 04.02.2012 7:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Watch Man206
But isn't there only one Precursor left...The Prisoner?? And if so, then how could only one make the flood "absorb" ALL life?


This is why I think not all Precursors are like this--Primordial was the last of HIS kind, but not the last Precursor (He clarifies this in Primordium). The fact that there were mutiple races suggests that there could be some internal disagreements from opposing viewpoints, thus giving us an actual chance.

@Cobra: yes they could be, but I'm just throwing out ideas. I'd prefer to not fight enemies that are enemies because they're hypocrites. I lost a lot of respect for the Reapers in ME3 because of that ("we;ll save you from being killed by synthetics by killing you with synthetics"). I'd prefer them to be a bit more believable.

[Edited on 04.02.2012 7:44 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2012 7:41 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
This is why I think not all Precursors are like this--Primordial was the last of HIS kind, but not the last Precursor (He clarifies this in Primordium). The fact that there were mutiple races suggests that there could be some internal disagreements from opposing viewpoints, thus giving us an actual chance.


As we saw with the Covenant, nobody really questioned anything until it was far too late. I can't imagine the Precursors being different.

  • 04.02.2012 7:44 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
This is why I think not all Precursors are like this--Primordial was the last of HIS kind, but not the last Precursor (He clarifies this in Primordium). The fact that there were mutiple races suggests that there could be some internal disagreements from opposing viewpoints, thus giving us an actual chance.


As we saw with the Covenant, nobody really questioned anything until it was far too late. I can't imagine the Precursors being different.



The thing is, the Precursors aren't the Covenant, and aren't deluded by dogma. Their motivation is what they feel is ultimately morally correct and acceptable, not a blind effort to please their gods (they are the gods). I find it unlikely that all of the Precursor races unanimously agree with the Flood's usage.

  • 04.02.2012 7:47 PM PDT

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SOOO there are different species that make up the Precursors, like the Covenant?? or to less/more of an extent??

  • 04.02.2012 7:49 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

The thing is, the Precursors aren't the Covenant, and aren't deluded by dogma. Their motivation is what they feel is ultimately morally correct and acceptable, not a blind effort to please their gods (they are the gods). I find it unlikely that all of the Precursor races unanimously agree with the Flood's usage.


They were fine with the potential millions of exterminations of other races who failed their testes.

  • 04.02.2012 7:49 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

The thing is, the Precursors aren't the Covenant, and aren't deluded by dogma. Their motivation is what they feel is ultimately morally correct and acceptable, not a blind effort to please their gods (they are the gods). I find it unlikely that all of the Precursor races unanimously agree with the Flood's usage.


They were fine with the potential millions of exterminations of other races who failed their testes.


And that is the problem, which is where we hit a roadblock. Without assistance from the Precursors, we cannot fight the Precursors. With assistance from the degenerates, there needs to be a reason why the other side were allowed to continue their god-handling of the universe.

At this point we'll have to wait and see. Like I said, just tossing ideas around.

@OP, yes, they were a collection of races according to Primordial, not one, but several of highly evolved god-like beings that ruled possibly the universe, but they are distinct from the Covenant in that they are not blinded by religious dogma.

[Edited on 04.02.2012 7:54 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2012 7:54 PM PDT

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@OP, yes, they were a collection of races according to Primordial, not one, but several of highly evolved god-like beings that ruled possibly the universe, but they are distinct from the Covenant in that they are not blinded by religious dogma.

Ik that, i was just using the Covenant to convey the idea of collective species working together

Also, so this means that The Flood was one of the species with the Precursors, ie: the Prisoner.

  • 04.02.2012 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The Precursors are basically god. They have some Mantle preaching galactic guardianship and for some reason want someone to uphold it. Therefore they create races and test them. Every single one has failed and were destroyed. Forerunners were on the chopping block, yet were able to rebel and drive the Precursors off. So they created the Flood in parts unknown and used it to save humanity after the Forerunners defeated them in the Forerunner-human War and used it to defeat the Forerunners who proceeded to Hiroshamify the galaxy to try and stop the Flood.
Humanity is the next to be tested with the Flood.


Are the precursors basically like the beings from 2001 a space odyyesy?

[Edited on 04.03.2012 2:08 AM PDT]

  • 04.03.2012 2:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Watch Man206
Ok, so me and my bro were reading stuff about the precursors and evidently we were gang-banged. I have not read the books on them but we read about Halo stuff on Halo Nation (idk if it is trustworthy or not) but was wondering if someone could give me a break down of what the hell is going on?!?!?!

My knowledge so far from what i have read is that the precursors are the "creators" of the flood and they used them against the Forerunners in the war and then there was the prisoner that was found by "post-ring fired" humans and he was a GRAVEMIND?!

I know i should read the books but i dont have them and dont have the means to get them yet and i just want a run down....but i am ready for a 2-3 page long response.


I wish you a fast and speedy recovery from your ordeal.

  • 04.03.2012 3:01 AM PDT


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The Precursors are basically god. They have some Mantle preaching galactic guardianship and for some reason want someone to uphold it. Therefore they create races and test them. Every single one has failed and were destroyed. Forerunners were on the chopping block, yet were able to rebel and drive the Precursors off. So they created the Flood in parts unknown and used it to save humanity after the Forerunners defeated them in the Forerunner-human War and used it to defeat the Forerunners who proceeded to Hiroshamify the galaxy to try and stop the Flood.
Humanity is the next to be tested with the Flood.


Are the precursors basically like the beings from 2001 a space odyyesy?


They fill that role of universe nurturing gods, yes.

@OP: The exact relationship between the Flood and the Precursors is sketchy. Primordial says that the two are synonomous, but refused to detail exactly what that means when asked. This has lead some to theorize that at least some of the Precursors deliberately infected themselves to become the first Graveminds. Others have suggested that the Gravemind from Halo's 1-3 is a sort of "baby Precursor," in that the Graveminds all eventually evolve into a "super Gravemind," or a Precursor.

So basically, no one honestly knows the answer to that question, regardless of what they say.

[Edited on 04.03.2012 4:15 AM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
They did, but the Precursors have changed the rules and now ALL must be assimilated by the Flood.


I get the impression that not all Precursors want this. A collection of the most advanced races in history will lead to disputes and probably bloodshed. I'm just guessing, but maybe we'll get some help.

Besides, how else can the contemporary universe compete with them otherwise?


I don't understand where you got that impression from since there is no hinting at that whatsoever.




Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Watch Man206
But isn't there only one Precursor left...The Prisoner?? And if so, then how could only one make the flood "absorb" ALL life?


This is why I think not all Precursors are like this--Primordial was the last of HIS kind, but not the last Precursor (He clarifies this in Primordium). The fact that there were mutiple races suggests that there could be some internal disagreements from opposing viewpoints, thus giving us an actual chance.



That doesn't "Suggest" anything It clearly stated those that created the forerunners were hunted down (never said by who) and left the galaxy. It also stated that it was a servant implying that it worked for the "original" precursors or that they may be an ancient creation that pleased them which would make them a precursor also.





Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
This is why I think not all Precursors are like this--Primordial was the last of HIS kind, but not the last Precursor (He clarifies this in Primordium). The fact that there were mutiple races suggests that there could be some internal disagreements from opposing viewpoints, thus giving us an actual chance.


As we saw with the Covenant, nobody really questioned anything until it was far too late. I can't imagine the Precursors being different.



The thing is, the Precursors aren't the Covenant, and aren't deluded by dogma. Their motivation is what they feel is ultimately morally correct and acceptable, not a blind effort to please their gods (they are the gods). I find it unlikely that all of the Precursor races unanimously agree with the Flood's usage.

How do you know that? From what it seems if there are several races and they are all working under one banner for a similar cause that sounds alike like the covenant to me along with them destroying races that don't fit in with their ideologies.
Again you say they aren't blinded by religious dogma yet they destroy races that don't uphold their ideology.

I don't see why you woudl find that unlikely since there isn't any information to make such an assumption.


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

The thing is, the Precursors aren't the Covenant, and aren't deluded by dogma. Their motivation is what they feel is ultimately morally correct and acceptable, not a blind effort to please their gods (they are the gods). I find it unlikely that all of the Precursor races unanimously agree with the Flood's usage.


They were fine with the potential millions of exterminations of other races who failed their testes.


And that is the problem, which is where we hit a roadblock. Without assistance from the Precursors, we cannot fight the Precursors. With assistance from the degenerates, there needs to be a reason why the other side were allowed to continue their god-handling of the universe.

At this point we'll have to wait and see. Like I said, just tossing ideas around.

@OP, yes, they were a collection of races according to Primordial, not one, but several of highly evolved god-like beings that ruled possibly the universe, but they are distinct from the Covenant in that they are not blinded by religious dogma.


Huh? The Galaxy beat the reapers in mass effect by using older technologies, The Q were "Beaten" by using Q technology.

You don't need help from a Superior power to beat said power generally you use their weapons and weaknesses against them as even gods have flaws. A political struggle or low numbers would surely affect the precursors fighting strength.

The primordial never said that as i was the one to post that original idea. There could just be one single race that made creations based on need for all we know. None of that universe crap was ever said or implied all we know is that they ruled this galaxy and ran to another.





Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The Precursors are basically god. They have some Mantle preaching galactic guardianship and for some reason want someone to uphold it. Therefore they create races and test them. Every single one has failed and were destroyed. Forerunners were on the chopping block, yet were able to rebel and drive the Precursors off. So they created the Flood in parts unknown and used it to save humanity after the Forerunners defeated them in the Forerunner-human War and used it to defeat the Forerunners who proceeded to Hiroshamify the galaxy to try and stop the Flood.
Humanity is the next to be tested with the Flood.


Are the precursors basically like the beings from 2001 a space odyyesy?


They fill that role of universe nurturing gods, yes.

@OP: The exact relationship between the Flood and the Precursors is sketchy. Primordial says that the two are synonomous, but refused to detail exactly what that means when asked. This has lead some to theorize that at least some of the Precursors deliberately infected themselves to become the first Graveminds. Others have suggested that the Gravemind from Halo's 1-3 is a sort of "baby Precursor," in that the Graveminds all eventually evolve into a "super Gravemind," or a Precursor.

So basically, no one honestly knows the answer to that question, regardless of what they say.


Uh It says its a precursor yet not of those that made the forerunner, it and the flood are nor different and that it is a servant.

So it is probably one of the races that upheld the mantle and the [unknown forces that drove the precursors out] Probably hunted down the precursors along with their successful creations.

huh? who the hell brought any of that up? All the graveminds we know of were created from biomass of races we know of. You cannot "evolve into a precursor" because it wouldn't be a precursor then. Not to mention a supergravemind is formed when a mobile and immobile form fuse.

[Edited on 04.03.2012 3:13 PM PDT]

  • 04.03.2012 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I find it unlikely that all of the Precursor races unanimously agree with the Flood's usage.

To what standards do you judge them, and why those particular standards?

  • 04.03.2012 5:02 PM PDT

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Somehow the precursors remind me of the reapers and the flood with the reaper husk.

  • 04.03.2012 5:04 PM PDT

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@grey101, could u tell me where you found all of your info so i could read it? Like pages in a book or maybe a website you used.

  • 04.03.2012 5:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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@grey101, could u tell me where you found all of your info so i could read it? Like pages in a book or maybe a website you used.


Both books and what information specifically? Roberto is the one that is falsifying information.

  • 04.04.2012 11:30 AM PDT

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@grey101, just the info you used to "correct" roberto.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

cryptum and primordium

And what the hell do you mean by "correct" Roberto? If you read the books you would know what he was saying isn't the cause hence antons little comment.

[Edited on 04.05.2012 11:55 AM PDT]

  • 04.05.2012 11:53 AM PDT