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Subject: All Clan leaders express hardships here.

~nickel61~

Being in a clan is oviously alot easier than running one. A question to mind is the large clans: like the UN or SOV I dont know how they get consistantly active members online. I can possibly manage about 8 if im lucky. Classifieds please spare me your words of wisdom.

[Edited on 04.02.2012 7:51 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2012 7:43 PM PDT

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Bulk. At best, if you're doing a fantastic job, only about half of your registered members will be active (Checking a site once every week or so) only half of the actives will be super active (Checking a site more than once a week). As long as you're close to that, you're doing pretty well.

Also, on average only a third of the people who say they will participate in an event, actually show up.

Don't feel bad if you aren't getting the numbers you were expecting. Gamers are lazy, lets face it people.

  • 04.02.2012 7:55 PM PDT

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PS, this is an especially hard time to start a group. Get used to busting your ass.

  • 04.02.2012 7:59 PM PDT

~nickel61~

Ive been bustin my ass for a while. i just wasnt sure if i was busting it in the right direction. Mind if you put an opinion on my progress within the last year.
http://thebrotherhoodofsenpai.weebly.com/index.html

  • 04.02.2012 8:12 PM PDT

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I'll PM you.

  • 04.02.2012 8:21 PM PDT

~nickel61~

Great thanks, I could use an opinon to make my actions seem worth while.

  • 04.02.2012 8:26 PM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer


Posted by: NILLOC
Had to deal with this pathetic clan called RoA who tried to steal our members and when we told them to F*** off they made it their goal to bring down my clan. Harrasing my members whenever they got online. Begging them to spy or join their clan and offering them " The highest rank in their clan " and Microsoft points. They would repeatidly send " Spies " to try to infiltrate our clan and " Find Info " but :

1) They all said the same thing " I want to join a clan that
won't fall appart in a week " ( word for word )

2) They all had their friends list blocked even to friends and when I asked them to unblock it they would take several minutes. ( Probably removing RoA members )

3) What would they even find out ? We had no intention of hacking them ? We play custom games ?

I was repeatidly harrassed by their leader who would even go on other profiles. The guy was a complete moron and circular logic and talked about his " War " with our clan as if he had some " Higher purpose ". I eventualy got tired of the harassment and just decided to only run the Halo RPG that our members played and let any who wanted to play.
This is exactly why I quit Halo clans. Too many of them turn exactly like this.

  • 04.03.2012 12:16 AM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: JaxBug

Posted by: NILLOC
Had to deal with this pathetic clan called RoA who tried to steal our members and when we told them to F*** off they made it their goal to bring down my clan. Harrasing my members whenever they got online. Begging them to spy or join their clan and offering them " The highest rank in their clan " and Microsoft points. They would repeatidly send " Spies " to try to infiltrate our clan and " Find Info " but :

1) They all said the same thing " I want to join a clan that
won't fall appart in a week " ( word for word )

2) They all had their friends list blocked even to friends and when I asked them to unblock it they would take several minutes. ( Probably removing RoA members )

3) What would they even find out ? We had no intention of hacking them ? We play custom games ?

I was repeatidly harrassed by their leader who would even go on other profiles. The guy was a complete moron and circular logic and talked about his " War " with our clan as if he had some " Higher purpose ". I eventualy got tired of the harassment and just decided to only run the Halo RPG that our members played and let any who wanted to play.
This is exactly why I quit Halo clans. Too many of them turn exactly like this.


And I'm guessing you can name a few :P

  • 04.03.2012 1:41 AM PDT

I jieħdu kenn fil Amida Buddha.

Well,I have the Dark Order Of the Sith trying to kill me because I conducted an elaborate training exercise which went very wrong and now my old squad mates,some I trained are trying to kill me and my new clan.

They also have a couple of inept spooks after me as well.....

So yeah,I'm having to pull a lot of strings to not get completely destroyed.You'll probably see them recruiting a couple of threads down.I'm assuming that they're setting up their pathetic excuse for a 'special forces' unit.

You can say I'm having a bad April....

  • 04.03.2012 2:53 AM PDT

Brainwashing, idiotic media: "hur dur, vido gaems cas vilenc n iz nt gud. dey ned 2 b baned."

Logic: Really? Then please explain how there's violence in third world countries. I guess they're all poor due to the large amount of video games they buy.

Well, recently we had a very trusted member, what it seems, to betrayed us and screwed us over. This member was apart of everything from nearly the beginning, he earned everybody's trust to his good deads was promoted to 3rd or so in command in our Navy (special forces) and even became one of our intel agents.

Needless to say, he used his intel rank gather information for his own purpose and even contacted an old friend and would give them the account info of the agnet so they could destroy us. We all decide to kick him out and he goes about how he will win in an 8v8 and all that trash talk. As it gets closer to the battle, he messages about changing it to a 4v3 MLG when we all aggre to an 8v8. So we wait in a customs lovvy, with our 8 men, for atleast 5 minutes, trying to message the guy to get on. He doesn't, we declare victory, and determine that they are just a bunch of big talkers.

  • 04.03.2012 4:41 AM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: garfield0218
Well,I have the Dark Order Of the Sith trying to kill me because I conducted an elaborate training exercise which went very wrong and now my old squad mates,some I trained are trying to kill me and my new clan.

They also have a couple of inept spooks after me as well.....

So yeah,I'm having to pull a lot of strings to not get completely destroyed.You'll probably see them recruiting a couple of threads down.I'm assuming that they're setting up their pathetic excuse for a 'special forces' unit.

You can say I'm having a bad April....


By killing do you mean they just want to find you in a game of perhaps Halo, maybe invite you to a "friendly" custom game and then spawn kill you, try to force you to get off Xbox forever or to actually kill you.

  • 04.03.2012 4:58 AM PDT

I jieħdu kenn fil Amida Buddha.


Posted by: DarkAero Trooper

Posted by: garfield0218
Well,I have the Dark Order Of the Sith trying to kill me because I conducted an elaborate training exercise which went very wrong and now my old squad mates,some I trained are trying to kill me and my new clan.

They also have a couple of inept spooks after me as well.....

So yeah,I'm having to pull a lot of strings to not get completely destroyed.You'll probably see them recruiting a couple of threads down.I'm assuming that they're setting up their pathetic excuse for a 'special forces' unit.

You can say I'm having a bad April....


By killing do you mean they just want to find you in a game of perhaps Halo, maybe invite you to a "friendly" custom game and then spawn kill you, try to force you to get off Xbox forever or to actually kill you.


All of those........

They really,really want to make me 'pay' for something that they screwed up on...

Like really.

[Edited on 04.03.2012 5:23 AM PDT]

  • 04.03.2012 5:21 AM PDT

I jieħdu kenn fil Amida Buddha.


Posted by: BlazingAngel94
Well, recently we had a very trusted member, what it seems, to betrayed us and screwed us over. This member was apart of everything from nearly the beginning, he earned everybody's trust to his good deads was promoted to 3rd or so in command in our Navy (special forces) and even became one of our intel agents.

Needless to say, he used his intel rank gather information for his own purpose and even contacted an old friend and would give them the account info of the agnet so they could destroy us. We all decide to kick him out and he goes about how he will win in an 8v8 and all that trash talk. As it gets closer to the battle, he messages about changing it to a 4v3 MLG when we all aggre to an 8v8. So we wait in a customs lovvy, with our 8 men, for atleast 5 minutes, trying to message the guy to get on. He doesn't, we declare victory, and determine that they are just a bunch of big talkers.



Wow,that guy sounds really evil,I'm sure some of my operatives might be able to find him.....






[Edited on 04.03.2012 5:31 AM PDT]

  • 04.03.2012 5:28 AM PDT

http://www.midlandbase.com
http://www.midlandbase.net


Posted by: nickl61
Being in a clan is oviously alot easier than running one. A question to mind is the large clans: like the UN or SOV I dont know how they get consistantly active members online. I can possibly manage about 8 if im lucky. Classifieds please spare me your words of wisdom.


I've been running Midland Base for over 2 years now.

First, your paradigm might be a tad off. A group's discussion forum is an asynchronous method of communication. So how many members you actually have all on line at once doesn't really matter. What really matters is how many member log ins and posts you get across an entire 24 hour period.

One thing to foster activity is recruit heavily in a mature way. That means don't spam people's XBL with messages in match making, and certainly don't try to recruit anyone on XBL who is obviously already a member of and playing with a clan. There are plenty of websites besides B.Net and Waypoint to recruit - use them.

Other things you can do to recruit are getting into social networking. Get a Face Book, Google +, and Twitter account. Use them to post news articles / weekly updates about your group. You can get a YouTube channel and make group montages. You can live stream your game nights.

Impose a minimum forum participation requirement, and delete members from your roster who go inactive and don't meet it. For almost two years we tried every idea under the sun to foster group member activity in our forums. Forum games, challenges, in group ranks / titles, real prizes like XBL Gold and MS points.

On 03 DEC 10 our group had 332 members. We then conducted our first activity scan, and have since instituted a minimum forum participation requirement deleting inactives from our roster. We fluctuate between having 60 - 80 members now because of that, but our forum and our game nights have never had as much participation as they do now because we only keep active members and delete inactive members.

Other things you can do are to have group game nights, events where you all get together to play as a clan / group.

Anyway, those things have worked for me so far. I founded Midland Base on 26 FEB 10, and we're still here.

PS - It alos helps to have a "live and let live" mentality. Not all groups / clans can be all things to all people. In other words, there's a niche / home for every group / clan out there. Every group / clan can coexist just fine. This whole idea of "clan wars" is insane. Here's a hint. Gamers join groups /clans to have fun playing the game, not to have to deal with a bunch of drama. If another group acts like a bohiney to you, just ignore them and move on.

[Edited on 04.03.2012 6:44 AM PDT]

  • 04.03.2012 6:40 AM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer


Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
And I'm guessing you can name a few :P
Of course.

  • 04.03.2012 9:09 AM PDT

Brainwashing, idiotic media: "hur dur, vido gaems cas vilenc n iz nt gud. dey ned 2 b baned."

Logic: Really? Then please explain how there's violence in third world countries. I guess they're all poor due to the large amount of video games they buy.


Posted by: garfield0218

Posted by: BlazingAngel94
Well, recently we had a very trusted member, what it seems, to betrayed us and screwed us over. This member was apart of everything from nearly the beginning, he earned everybody's trust to his good deads was promoted to 3rd or so in command in our Navy (special forces) and even became one of our intel agents.

Needless to say, he used his intel rank gather information for his own purpose and even contacted an old friend and would give them the account info of the agnet so they could destroy us. We all decide to kick him out and he goes about how he will win in an 8v8 and all that trash talk. As it gets closer to the battle, he messages about changing it to a 4v3 MLG when we all aggre to an 8v8. So we wait in a customs lovvy, with our 8 men, for atleast 5 minutes, trying to message the guy to get on. He doesn't, we declare victory, and determine that they are just a bunch of big talkers.



Wow,that guy sounds really evil,I'm sure some of my operatives might be able to find him.....






You can spare the time, for he has posted in this thread a few times.

  • 04.03.2012 1:17 PM PDT

I am the Troll King.

Well I can say one thing. A lot of people are stupid. They will make you look like a villain and call you a heretic just because you left their clan. Which wasn't even their's. My best advice is just ignore them. They are people over the internet, if they want to act all high an mighty, then let them. Stupidity is stupidity. The best you can do is just ignore them, if that doesn't work, block them.

Just don't fight back like they do. Or you will become them.

  • 04.03.2012 1:59 PM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: Zoomzoom97
They will make you look like a villain and call you a heretic just because you left their clan.


You got that right.

When I changed my avatar to a pony on the CSF site, an avatar, something that a member gets to choose on his/her own, and I got banned twice for it, without reason, then I get my own avatar, gamertag, and such on the site changed, and apparently because of changing my gamertag to a pony reference I suddenly became black and was declared a WW2 German military(I think you can guess.)

Now I'm a no good heretic or something for leaving because of such, and yet I could still probably beat most of the members in a match.

  • 04.03.2012 3:18 PM PDT
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deej pls

Well I used to help people but I just got -blam!- for it.

If anyone needs help, and I'm free, just PM me.

  • 04.03.2012 3:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: nickl61
Being in a clan is oviously alot easier than running one. A question to mind is the large clans: like the UN or SOV I dont know how they get consistantly active members online. I can possibly manage about 8 if im lucky. Classifieds please spare me your words of wisdom.


I've been running Midland Base for over 2 years now.

First, your paradigm might be a tad off. A group's discussion forum is an asynchronous method of communication. So how many members you actually have all on line at once doesn't really matter. What really matters is how many member log ins and posts you get across an entire 24 hour period.

One thing to foster activity is recruit heavily in a mature way. That means don't spam people's XBL with messages in match making, and certainly don't try to recruit anyone on XBL who is obviously already a member of and playing with a clan. There are plenty of websites besides B.Net and Waypoint to recruit - use them.

Other things you can do to recruit are getting into social networking. Get a Face Book, Google +, and Twitter account. Use them to post news articles / weekly updates about your group. You can get a YouTube channel and make group montages. You can live stream your game nights.

Impose a minimum forum participation requirement, and delete members from your roster who go inactive and don't meet it. For almost two years we tried every idea under the sun to foster group member activity in our forums. Forum games, challenges, in group ranks / titles, real prizes like XBL Gold and MS points.

On 03 DEC 10 our group had 332 members. We then conducted our first activity scan, and have since instituted a minimum forum participation requirement deleting inactives from our roster. We fluctuate between having 60 - 80 members now because of that, but our forum and our game nights have never had as much participation as they do now because we only keep active members and delete inactive members.

Other things you can do are to have group game nights, events where you all get together to play as a clan / group.

Anyway, those things have worked for me so far. I founded Midland Base on 26 FEB 10, and we're still here.

PS - It alos helps to have a "live and let live" mentality. Not all groups / clans can be all things to all people. In other words, there's a niche / home for every group / clan out there. Every group / clan can coexist just fine. This whole idea of "clan wars" is insane. Here's a hint. Gamers join groups /clans to have fun playing the game, not to have to deal with a bunch of drama. If another group acts like a bohiney to you, just ignore them and move on.

I agree with you on all points except the minimum posts thing. In my experience, it doesn't fix anything. Your problem is that there is not enough to talk about on the forum, not that people are not posting. It treats the symptom instead of the cause.

If you're having problems with forum activity, its because your forum has no point (or not enough). Just like the group as a whole, people will come because of the things they can't get elsewhere. No one joins a group to do the things they could (or already) do, they join because of the things they can only do in the group. The forum is no different. If all you have is casual conversation and announcements, no one will come to the forum because they talk on XBL. Add things that can only be done in written form (Story Threads, Forum Games, Weekly Updates).

  • 04.03.2012 3:29 PM PDT

~nickel61~

Im not really counting on the forum at all. in fact its just somthing ive recently added to the site. But if thats what you believe helps ill be enforcing that.

  • 04.03.2012 4:42 PM PDT

The Path We Walk Is Not Paved By Itself,But By Your Actions.

You seem like a good clan leader, (aside from letting a double agent operative into your clan) Could you help me out?? I'm just creating a clan with only 1 other person in it, I need advice on recruiting people. When i message them they never message back -_- Could u give me some advice?? If so you could have an ally on your side. Message me "MaximumCarnageX" My clan name is "The Hunting Pack"

  • 04.03.2012 10:50 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

Time to vent.

Pointless clan drama helps no one and hurts everyone. because it gives all clans a bad name, especially these ridiculously stupid "Clan Wars" that we see so often. These so-called "Clan Wars" achieve nothing, but instead tarnish the idea of the gaming community. The average mature gamer wants nothing to do with this childish drama, and therefore forms a negative opinion about clans in general.

The idea of internet groups going to "war" with each other is childish and stupid. Seriously, it's the freaking internet. What are you going to do, spam their inboxes?

/rant

  • 04.04.2012 12:07 AM PDT

Halo is the ultimate story of why humans will always survive. We will never be defeated and will always persist. Our spirit and will to live is too strong.


Posted by: nickl61
Being in a clan is oviously alot easier than running one. A question to mind is the large clans: like the UN or SOV I dont know how they get consistantly active members online. I can possibly manage about 8 if im lucky. Classifieds please spare me your words of wisdom.


The UN?

The UN is a sinking ship, and its leader is constantly repairing it with cheap ineffective means, thus it sinks again.

  • 04.04.2012 4:08 AM PDT

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