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Recently I've been in a discussion with one of my friends over who holds the rights to Marathon. Both Oni and Myth were given over to Take Two Interactive when Microsoft acquired Bungie but it never says the Marathon rights were given to any outside company. We both assume this means that since Microsoft acquired Bungie, that means Microsoft would have held the rights to Marathon.

What my argument is that I think Bungie gained the rights back after the split between Microsoft and Bungie. Brian Jarrard and Marcus Lehto mention Bungie owns the Marathon IP now in an interview with Kotaku, but my friend is hell bent on saying this isn't 100% evidence in saying they own it. He even cites that they lied about not working on Halo 2 and Halo 3 so they could easily be lying/making a mistake about owning the IP to Marathon. Personally I see no reason why they would lie about such a thing. I also find it hard to believe both Jarrard and Marcus made the same mistake.

So, could someone please give me some sort of hard evidence stating that Bungie owns the rights to Marathon? I'm 95% sure they do but we need an absolute ending to this discussion.

[Edited on 04.04.2012 12:04 PM PDT]

  • 04.04.2012 11:39 AM PDT

Yes, it is one of the only games they still hold the rights to.

EDIT: I will look for evidence now.

EDIT2: I can't find any links, but surely the fact that they released the source code for Marathon: Infinity last Bungie Day is proof.

[Edited on 04.04.2012 11:44 AM PDT]

  • 04.04.2012 11:40 AM PDT

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  • 04.04.2012 11:44 AM PDT

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They own Marathon, Pathways into Darkness, Gnop, Minotaur: Labyrinths of Crete, and Operation Desert Storm.

  • 04.04.2012 11:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: antony X1000
EDIT2: I can't find any links, but surely the fact that they released the source code for Marathon: Infinity last Bungie Day is proof.
That should be enough but now he says they could have gained permission to do that...
Posted by: spartain ken 15
They own Marathon, Pathways into Darkness, Gnop, Minotaur: Labyrinths of Crete, and Operation Desert Storm.
I know they do but I just need 100% proof that they actually do.

[Edited on 04.04.2012 11:47 AM PDT]

  • 04.04.2012 11:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dr Syx
He even cites that they lied about not working on Halo 2 and Halo 3 so they could easily be lying about owning the IP to Marathon.

Seems like incredibly flawed logic...lying by withholding information is definitely not the same as lying by spreading false statements. The latter is far more serious than the former, especially in this context.

It would have been a more apt argument if Bungie had denied having the IP rights to Marathon and your friend wanted to convince you they could still own it. But as it is, you already seem to have the facts, so I'd say you definitely win at this argument.

  • 04.04.2012 11:47 AM PDT

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I also have tried looking to see if bungie still owns Marathon,and since I can't find a sentence on any site saying that they don't own it,I assume they still own it.

[Edited on 04.04.2012 11:50 AM PDT]

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Posted by: CAVX
It would have been a more apt argument if Bungie had denied having the IP rights to Marathon and your friend wanted to convince you they could still own it. But as it is, you already seem to have the facts, so I'd say you definitely win at this argument.
I made a mistake in saying that he was just suggesting they might have intentionally lied. He meant they could have just made a mistake. They being either Jarrard/Lehto or Kotaku.

[Edited on 04.04.2012 12:06 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Dr Syx
Posted by: CAVX
It would have been a more apt argument if Bungie had denied having the IP rights to Marathon and your friend wanted to convince you they could still own it. But as it is, you already seem to have the facts, so I'd say you definitely win at this argument.
I made a mistake in saying that he was just suggesting they might have intentionally lied. He meant they could have just made a mistake. They being either Jarrard/Lehto or Kotaku.
Well if that's his whole argument, it doesn't really matter what anyone links you to. He'll just say it's some form of misinformation.

  • 04.04.2012 12:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: L00
Well if that's his whole argument, it doesn't really matter what anyone links you to. He'll just say it's some form of misinformation.
I was thinking there might be some place where you can look up who holds the rights to anything. That would be good enough.

  • 04.04.2012 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

To my knowledge, they haven't sold the rights to anyone.

  • 04.04.2012 1:23 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."

All references to marathon seem to be vanishing from non bungie halo products. Bungie has said that the other franchises are no longer theirs and there is no reason to believe that they would withhold such information. Unless an IP transfer did take place, bungie owns all of the rights to Marathon. Hell, if someone did own the Marathon frachise, I'm sure they'd be milking it for all it's worth right now.

Sure, you can't "prove" that there isn't some ogy-boogy plotting at work here, but is there absolutely anything that would be explained or made intelligible by the absurd conspiracy that would be required for Bungie to not own the rights to Marathon?

  • 04.04.2012 1:30 PM PDT

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Marathon trademark page

As reported by Shacknews and Joystiq

I seem to remember another trademark page (not the one on here) that listed all of Bungie's trademarks with their respective logos, and both "Marathon" and the Marathon symbol was on there. I'll try to look for it.

  • 04.04.2012 1:34 PM PDT

I still can't believe they lost Myth and kept Marathon.

[Edited on 04.04.2012 2:14 PM PDT]

  • 04.04.2012 2:14 PM PDT
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Ask ken.

  • 04.04.2012 2:16 PM PDT

Roll the dice, try again.

I hope not

D:

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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.


Posted by: Marathon
I hope not

D:


LOL!

  • 04.04.2012 3:01 PM PDT


Posted by: ZayneHumphrey
Marathon trademark page

As reported by Shacknews and Joystiq

I seem to remember another trademark page (not the one on here) that listed all of Bungie's trademarks with their respective logos, and both "Marathon" and the Marathon symbol was on there. I'll try to look for it.



How about this one?

BLAM


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  • 04.04.2012 3:23 PM PDT

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Yes they do.

  • 04.04.2012 3:26 PM PDT
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I hope not

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Sorry, but Bungie still owns you. Now get back in the cage.
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They own the rights to every Bungie game except Halo, Oni, and Myth I and II.

  • 04.04.2012 3:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Marathon
I hope not

D:

Sorry, but Bungie still owns you. Now get back in the cage.
~TGW

Just noticed something, switch around the G and W....then it's TWG.
<<<<<<<<<
:D

Some people on here call me TWG....although I prefer Tops.

SO BACK ON TOPIC: Yes, Bungie owns the right all of their games pre-Halo era....except for Oni. Rockstar bought the rights to that game.

  • 04.04.2012 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Switchfoot4
Proof

They own the rights to every Bungie game except Halo, Oni, and Myth I and II.

They don't own the rights to Myth anymore? What?

Oh wait....did Bethesda buy the rights from them? Because that Bethesda made a Myth III....

  • 04.04.2012 3:34 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: TopWargamer

Posted by: Switchfoot4
Proof

They own the rights to every Bungie game except Halo, Oni, and Myth I and II.

They don't own the rights to Myth anymore? What?

Oh wait....did Bethesda buy the rights from them? Because that Bethesda made a Myth III....


Yeah, and many people hated Myth 3 for a variety of reasons.

  • 04.04.2012 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: TopWargamer

Posted by: Switchfoot4
Proof

They own the rights to every Bungie game except Halo, Oni, and Myth I and II.

They don't own the rights to Myth anymore? What?

Oh wait....did Bethesda buy the rights from them? Because that Bethesda made a Myth III....


Yeah, and many people hated Myth 3 for a variety of reasons.

Ah

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