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Subject: Why Must There Be An Equivalent?
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Poll: Is it important to have an equivalent to most of the weapons in Hal...  [closed]
Yes.:  15%
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No.:  75%
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I don't know.:  10%
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Total Votes: 59

I believe that it's a widely accepted mentality that there should be a Human Equivalent to every Covenant weapon and that there should be a Covenant equivalent to every Human weapon, but I've never understood this. Many people are asking for a Human equivalent to the Banshee, a Human equivalent to the Needler, and even a Human equivalent to the Energy Sword (what's ironic is that the Energy Sword is really just the Covenant equivalent to a Human weapon: the Shotgun).

I like the fact that in Halo 1 every weapon is unique. The Plasma Rifle has Plasma freeze, the Plasma Pistol has Plasma Freeze and it can be charged up for a homing attack that takes down a player's shields, but it requires a lot of energy and it overheats the Pistol. The Needler has a secondary explosion to deal extra damage and it homes in to enemies, and every weapon is quite effective in their respective environments (except for, perhaps, the Needler, which is probably only effective in specific encounters such as in hallways).

In Halo 2, there are some new Covenant weapons that are essentially the same as Human weapons with slight variations, and some weapons were watered down to become more similar to some Human weapons, such as the Plasma Rifle that no longer has Plasma freeze. These weapons have been made less unique in the sake of creating a sort of balance between Covenant and Human weapons, when in truth, there's really no need to have a balance between the weapons of these two groups (it isn't even important for the story).

So I'll ask you this: do Human weapons need Covenant equivalents and do Covenant weapons need Human equivalents and why or why not?

  • 05.29.2006 10:09 PM PDT

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I strongly agree with you on every point.

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MC will heavily use covenant weapons during the campaign so i think there will be more covenant weapons than human ones. seeing as how covenant have been around longer, more advanced, and comprise of many many species.

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no there shouldn't be complete equivelent guns b/c then there is no point in having two of the same guns.And if u r getting at having an equivelant sword as too the energy sword then there is medication for ur problem at ur local drug store.

  • 05.29.2006 10:16 PM PDT

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The covenant haven't necessarilly been around much longer. The halo's previous firing killed off most things the same. The prophets were just blessed with forerunner technology.

  • 05.29.2006 10:16 PM PDT

I also agree, there can not be equivelants to weapons when humans use projectiles and the Covenant use plasma. As an elite said in The Flood "projectiles...how primitive" if it was possible to have an equivelant there would be no purpose in evolving to plasma. Each weapon serves it's own purpose in the game, and I think its important that both the Covenant and humans stay true to the weapons and technologies that they would actually have.

  • 05.29.2006 10:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: spesalfred
The covenant haven't necessarilly been around much longer. The halo's previous firing killed off most things the same. The prophets were just blessed with forerunner technology.

i thought i read somewhere that the covenant civilization was outside of the halo's blast radius

  • 05.29.2006 10:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: spesalfred
I strongly agree with you on every point.

I very much second that.

  • 05.29.2006 10:24 PM PDT
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no there shouldn't be complete equivelent guns b/c then there is no point in having two of the same guns.And if u r getting at having an equivelant sword as too the energy sword then there is medication for ur problem at ur local drug store.

I think that you misunderstood my message. My point was that it would be bad for there to be an equivalent to weapons such as the Energy Sword, and that'swhy I said that having weapons that are very similar to each other makes the individual weapons less unique.

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I agree, the covenant should have weapons waaaaaaaaaay more powerful than the humans, since they are more technologically savvy than said humans. Humans can have their bullets, Covie's get their nuke-cannons, and I'll die a little bit more on the inside.

  • 05.29.2006 11:03 PM PDT
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I don't think that the Covenant weapons should be more powerful than the Human weapons, but I think that the weapons shouldn't be very similar to each other. I never stated that Covenant weapons should always be stronger than Human weapons, and nobody here said that every Covenant weapon should be significantly stronger than every Human weapon.

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I actually liked the way Halo 1 weapons were, like you said, they were unique. They didn't have equivalents. I'm not saying there bad, I just think it would be better if they were a little more unique.

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Equivilant's would get boring. Variation is what makes weapons fun!

  • 05.30.2006 12:26 AM PDT
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i agree, in halo you are the MC or the Arbiter you go round killing things why would you want a choice of 2 weapons 1 human 1 covenant which are exactly the same??

covenant have a diffrent tech base to humans, plasma is there key area

when humans yes thats right got brute force guns, weak on the sheilds but hurt on flesh :) I dunno about you but there suppose to be diffrent and used together is what makes legendary a little bit easier :)

use plasma take shields down, swap over to battle rifle bang bang dead covenant :)

but problem is in life this happens between countries, they make a new weapon the opposition will try and make a weapon to counter the other, but in the sake of a game, try and keep all guns Unique!

  • 05.30.2006 2:31 AM PDT

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some races should have their own unique weapons. it makes the game more fun, and limits the accessibilty of the weapons, i.e. a forerunner weapon on a human ship wouldn't happen

  • 05.30.2006 2:33 AM PDT
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It adds more diversity to the gameplay not to have an equivelent.

  • 05.30.2006 2:36 AM PDT

Posted by: SatanInASweater
I believe that it's a widely accepted mentality that there should be a Human Equivalent to every Covenant weapon and that there should be a Covenant equivalent to every Human weapon, but I've never understood this.


Widely accepted by idiots, maybe. Needler shotgun? Machete? Piss off. Good post satan, and a point which needs raising, I agree wholeheartedly.

Personally I was even a bit unsure of the need for BR/Carbine and Sniper/Beam rifle. I thought, just for example, wouldn't it be better if the Carbine and Beam Rifle were actually one unique weapon sitting snugly between the BR and the sniper, rather than 2 near-duplicates? Yes, they made the operation of these weapons slightly different, but I don't think it's enough. Unique weapons that do their own job are better.

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The plasma rifle in halo 1 felt like a "heavy gun" and an actual rifle.
the plasma rifle in halo 2 feels more like a light autmatic pistol like weapon,

Halo 1 weapons are more realsitic (exept AR needs more damage)

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I read a while back that Bungie had been planning on some sort of a rocket/grenade needler weapon, where it shot a huge crystal that broke up-mid air and all of the separate needles broke apart and began homing. To me, that sounds like a very unique weapon to have, and one that would fit the Covenant well, especially against the flood.

  • 05.30.2006 4:50 AM PDT
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I gotta agree with you on every point; i remember how inhalo 1 every weapon was strong in it's own way. every. every was unique with it's own use.. i think there is a sort of need for new weapons but god don'T builsd equivalent5!(Like the carbine and the covie sniper..)

  • 05.30.2006 5:54 AM PDT
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equivelents = -blam!-

and we all know that on xbox live
human weapons > covenant weapons

a plasma can simply not do the same thing as a projectile, no matter how hard you try.

And the brute shot is a sell-out ot the covenant race.

  • 05.30.2006 6:04 AM PDT

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no not all, but on some. like the pistol, y would the covies need an equivalent? in halo2 there were both worst weapons in game. the one id like to see is a covie equiv to the shotgun. and a human to the banshee. other than that i dont think you need any. personally i HATED the covie sniper rifle....

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Strategy/tactic-wise, each weapon has an equivalent.
plasma pistol-magnum
plasma rifle/needler-smg
carbine-battle rifle
beam rifle-sniper rifle
brute shot-rocket launcher
energy sword-shotgun
plasma grenade-frag grenade

  • 05.30.2006 6:18 AM PDT

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Strategy/tactic-wise, each weapon has an equivalent.
plasma pistol-magnum
plasma rifle/needler-smg
carbine-battle rifle
beam rifle-sniper rifle
brute shot-rocket launcher
energy sword-shotgun
plasma grenade-frag grenade


Is there any underlying point to that?

  • 05.30.2006 6:20 AM PDT

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