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If they're not going to announce it during e3, than it better be DAMN good!!! Because they'd have to do something groundbreakingly AMAZING to get more attention after e3.

But...I expect them to steal the show if they go to e3.

  • 04.28.2012 3:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gottalovec4
I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored"

Hyperbole is no fun!

lol, that's no hyperbole. Gottalovec4 has it right. Hope you guys are proud of yourselves. Thanks for giving your fans the middle finger on your way out. Much appreciated.

  • 04.28.2012 5:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gottalovec4
They'd better show SOMETHING, considering they essentially said "-blam!- you" to all of their Halo fans when they left Reach, not even giving us a Bungie Day to say goodbye, or anything special at all really.
And why would they do that? They gave us a MASSIVE amount of warning before they handed everything over to 343i. Not to mention that if you're so emotionally needy that a VIDEO GAME COMPANY has to make you feel special and loved and cared for in order for you to play their games, your entire existence is going to be a painful maelstrom of shattered expectations dipped in a guacamole pain paste.

I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored" First off, how does eveyone keep saying that Bungie somehow supported Reach LESS? The company took the same amount of time to make it as it did Halo 3 and Halo 2. The infrastructural support and extension they gave it here on the website was even more extensive than that given to Halo 3. There's more variety and more to do in Reach, and I really don't mind that they threw out a solid chunk of the existing storyline (I won't say Canon, because that insinuates a degree of solidity that the Halo Universe has NEVER had) because it was already laden with plot holes and nonsensicalities. I don't care that it didn't follow what Nylund set up, because I like this new history better.

And how is wanting to do something different such a bad thing? Would you really rather that they keep making this series, which you obviously have so much emotional attachment to, when they'd really rather be doing something else? That's a recipe for disaster. Far better to turn it over to a company BUILT AROUND the IP, so it constantly gets the attention and care it deserves. Would you really prefer to be married to someone who's constantly thinking about sleeping with someone else?

I'm going to laugh when their next project effectively sinks the company, because they dont realize that 90% of their fans loved them for Halo. Then they didn't actually love them. You understand that, right? If you loved them FOR Halo, then you didn't actually love Bungie, you loved HALO.

I don't understand why people who are so pissed about Bungie's no longer doing Halo are still HERE. I hear complaints about the Waypoint forums, but why be in here harshing the mellow of people who really aren't upset about anything because they're BUNGIE fans when you could be trying to make those forums and that community better? Half of it's the community from here anyway, and if the people like yourself, who truly care about what happens to the Halo Universe, would take the time and make a concerted effort to make it better, you might find that more people feel as you do; that they are tied more closely to Halo than to Bungie and would rather be in a decent community that feels the same. It would be beneficial to both communities, because people who are primarily Halo fans could get out of their angry pants and get back to discussing what they love, and people who are primarily Bungie fans would no longer have to deal with the inherent cognitive dissonance caused by someone who, on the surface, is a Bungie community member but does little else besides rip on Bungie for no longer controlling a fiction they spent TEN YEARS creating.

Here, I could go off on a tangent about how ridiculously silly it is to talk about how Bungie stabbed you in the back when really they poured everything they had into Halo for a friggin' decade without asking JACK from you. How petty it sounds to be wishing them ill because they now wish to focus their creative energies elsewhere. How the fact that you somehow think you're special enough to deserve something special just points to the fact that you deserve nothing. How all this unfocused rage is tantamount to saying that you wanted Bungie to do nothing but Halo until the end of time, and that's just plain unfair. I could chastise you like a child being too loud in church, because that's what this place is to all of us Bungie "fanboys." And the fact that you think it's somehow okay to come in here and piss all over the thing we love just because you're upset about a business decision just points to what a thoughtless prick you really are.

I could say all that. I could rant for days and days and days, rip you up one side and down the other with a thousand words you've never heard. I could go DANTE GODDAMN ALIGHIERI on your ass right now. But I won't. You know why? Because it's not worth it. No matter how verbally thermonuclear I could go, it still wouldn't change anything, and smart money says you'd have a "Cool story, bro" to come back with nigh on instantaneously, because nobody has the critical reasoning skills to posit a decent argument anymore, and insults and dismissals that merit an "OH SNAP" have come to replace actual wit. So you're not even worth my time and energy to get that angry.

  • 04.28.2012 7:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Enormous Corgi
Posted by: Gottalovec4
I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored"

Hyperbole is no fun!

lol, that's no hyperbole. Gottalovec4 has it right. Hope you guys are proud of yourselves. Thanks for giving your fans the middle finger on your way out. Much appreciated.

Hyperbole is exactly what that is. Reach may not have lived up to your expectations but you guys treat it like the Antichrist.

  • 04.28.2012 7:39 AM PDT


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Posted by: Gottalovec4
They'd better show SOMETHING, considering they essentially said "-blam!- you" to all of their Halo fans when they left Reach, not even giving us a Bungie Day to say goodbye, or anything special at all really.
And why would they do that? They gave us a MASSIVE amount of warning before they handed everything over to 343i. Not to mention that if you're so emotionally needy that a VIDEO GAME COMPANY has to make you feel special and loved and cared for in order for you to play their games, your entire existence is going to be a painful maelstrom of shattered expectations dipped in a guacamole pain paste.

I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored" First off, how does eveyone keep saying that Bungie somehow supported Reach LESS? The company took the same amount of time to make it as it did Halo 3 and Halo 2. The infrastructural support and extension they gave it here on the website was even more extensive than that given to Halo 3. There's more variety and more to do in Reach, and I really don't mind that they threw out a solid chunk of the existing storyline (I won't say Canon, because that insinuates a degree of solidity that the Halo Universe has NEVER had) because it was already laden with plot holes and nonsensicalities. I don't care that it didn't follow what Nylund set up, because I like this new history better.

And how is wanting to do something different such a bad thing? Would you really rather that they keep making this series, which you obviously have so much emotional attachment to, when they'd really rather be doing something else? That's a recipe for disaster. Far better to turn it over to a company BUILT AROUND the IP, so it constantly gets the attention and care it deserves. Would you really prefer to be married to someone who's constantly thinking about sleeping with someone else?

I'm going to laugh when their next project effectively sinks the company, because they dont realize that 90% of their fans loved them for Halo. Then they didn't actually love them. You understand that, right? If you loved them FOR Halo, then you didn't actually love Bungie, you loved HALO.

I don't understand why people who are so pissed about Bungie's no longer doing Halo are still HERE. I hear complaints about the Waypoint forums, but why be in here harshing the mellow of people who really aren't upset about anything because they're BUNGIE fans when you could be trying to make those forums and that community better? Half of it's the community from here anyway, and if the people like yourself, who truly care about what happens to the Halo Universe, would take the time and make a concerted effort to make it better, you might find that more people feel as you do; that they are tied more closely to Halo than to Bungie and would rather be in a decent community that feels the same. It would be beneficial to both communities, because people who are primarily Halo fans could get out of their angry pants and get back to discussing what they love, and people who are primarily Bungie fans would no longer have to deal with the inherent cognitive dissonance caused by someone who, on the surface, is a Bungie community member but does little else besides rip on Bungie for no longer controlling a fiction they spent TEN YEARS creating.

Here, I could go off on a tangent about how ridiculously silly it is to talk about how Bungie stabbed you in the back when really they poured everything they had into Halo for a friggin' decade without asking JACK from you. How petty it sounds to be wishing them ill because they now wish to focus their creative energies elsewhere. How the fact that you somehow think you're special enough to deserve something special just points to the fact that you deserve nothing. How all this unfocused rage is tantamount to saying that you wanted Bungie to do nothing but Halo until the end of time, and that's just plain unfair. I could chastise you like a child being too loud in church, because that's what this place is to all of us Bungie "fanboys." And the fact that you think it's somehow okay to come in here and piss all over the thing we love just because you're upset about a business decision just points to what a thoughtless prick you really are.

I could say all that. I could rant for days and days and days, rip you up one side and down the other with a thousand words you've never heard. I could go DANTE GODDAMN ALIGHIERI on your ass right now. But I won't. You know why? Because it's not worth it. No matter how verbally thermonuclear I could go, it still wouldn't change anything, and smart money says you'd have a "Cool story, bro" to come back with nigh on instantaneously, because nobody has the critical reasoning skills to posit a decent argument anymore, and insults and dismissals that merit an "OH SNAP" have come to replace actual wit. So you're not even worth my time and energy to get that angry.


*applauds* well said

  • 04.28.2012 8:25 AM PDT


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Posted by: Gottalovec4
I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored"

Hyperbole is no fun!


Bungie's new game is now confirmed!

It is about the literacy!

  • 04.28.2012 5:04 PM PDT

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I think they should, It might give us some new members.

  • 04.28.2012 6:21 PM PDT

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I hope they will.

  • 04.29.2012 11:12 AM PDT

This might make me sound a bit dumb or noobish whatever I don't really care, but could someone please tell me how to make the little box of text that shows whom your responding to.

  • 04.29.2012 12:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: VampiricHealer
This might make me sound a bit dumb or noobish whatever I don't really care, but could someone please tell me how to make the little box of text that shows whom your responding to.

Click reply under the post you want to reply to. Then hit the button marked quote. You now have a quote box.

  • 04.29.2012 12:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: VampiricHealer
This might make me sound a bit dumb or noobish whatever I don't really care, but could someone please tell me how to make the little box of text that shows whom your responding to.

Click reply under the post you want to reply to. Then hit the button marked quote. You now have a quote box.


Thanks man that has been bugging me for a while now.

  • 04.29.2012 1:27 PM PDT
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I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I am very excited, as any other gamer is, to see what exactly Bungie has been doing in the time they've been dark. On the other side of things, I don't want to see a tiny snippet of animation, then have to wait three years to play it. In my opinion, I want to see an announcement when Bungie is good and ready to announce it. I hope to see something at E3, but I won't be disappointed if I don't.

  • 04.29.2012 2:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Acres 057
I think Bungie should boycott E3, since the Hosts of E3 were one of the larger supporters of SOPA/PIPA.

What? OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

  • 04.29.2012 7:30 PM PDT

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I may be wrong but I think I heard somewhere it was a first person mmo



This rumor has been circulating ever since we heard Bungie was going to leave Halo.

  • 04.30.2012 3:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gottalovec4
I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored"


Halo: Reach is pretty good to me, yes, there are several canon holes but as gameplay and campaign, it was well designed and the multiplayer is very fun.

  • 04.30.2012 10:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gottalovec4
I for one do not actually care because of it. Bungie gave absolutely 0% support for Reach, and dumped on established canon for lazy reasons and left a series that the fans loved them for because "they got bored"


Halo: Reach is pretty good to me, yes, there are several canon holes but as gameplay and campaign, it was well designed and the multiplayer is very fun.


I disagree. Reach's storyline is so cliche and bad writing. Multiplayer is much worse.

In final words, Bungie did very sloppy job with Reach and it's good thing that Bungie is no longer developing Halo anymore. If they were continuing, it'd cause collapse of Halo franchise itself.

/opinion

  • 04.30.2012 12:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Elder Bias

I disagree. Reach's storyline is so cliche and bad writing.

Interesting. I was unaware that "Good guys die, bad guys win" was a cliche. If that's cliche, then what the hell was the rest of the trilogy, with the "Bad guys die, good guys win" motif? 'Cause I've seen that one a lot more. And the suggestion that the storyline wherein EVERYONE but the main character slowly dies off is the cliche is true, but Halo: CE and Halo 3 are both guilty of that cliche as well. In CE, pretty much every human on Installation 04 is dead to you by the time you start "Two Betrayals," leaving the Chief to mow through the opposition John McClane style without any support at all. In Halo 3, Johnson and Keyes are killed off, punctuating the trilogy with the same "Important people die" thing that can be seen in many, MANY action movies, and the Chief and Arby are left in ostensibly the same situation that the Chief was in on 04, so it's a two-fer.

Not to mention that there are only so many storylines that can exist, and any "cliche" story that happens in the Halo universe has one hell of a twist on it because IT'S IN THE HALO UNIVERSE. If you talk about any story in broad enough terms, they're ALL the same story. But just to make me laugh, let's go this route. YOU go write me a storyline for Reach that I can't find an analogue for and that would be better and more fun to play than what Bungie's highly experienced and dedicated team of writers came up with, and I'll let you win this argument.

Want to know how /\ THAT story ends?

Multiplayer is much worse. In final words, Bungie did very sloppy job with Reach and it's good thing that Bungie is no longer developing Halo anymore. If they were continuing, it'd cause collapse of Halo franchise itself.

/opinion

The multiplayer is DIFFERENT. Not necessarily worse. The word "Worse" conveys a certain degree of empiricality that simply does not exist here. Just because YOU don't like the multiplayer does not mean that the multiplayer is bad.

On top of that, I'm giving you INFINITELY too much credit by trying to post responses to your arguments, because you are not positing arguments to begin with. It puts me in the awkward situation of having to try to guess what the Hell you're thinking, and because I'm obviously not of the same mind as you, it's probably not going to work. I'm not going to spend my whole day trying to guess why you think these things. So explain why you think the multiplayer is worse. Elucidate the reasons why, to you, this story is so cliche. And enlighten me as to how you think Reach is sloppily done. Then we'll talk.

  • 04.30.2012 12:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: S_034


Calm down, no need to get fussy over this video game. I said I only disagree that Reach being "OMG BEST GAME" or "fantastic" game. Any six year old can write actual storyline that is much, much more better than Reach's storyline. Besides, I'm only going to mention one thing about storyline is that it broke the Halo universe's canonical information.

Mutliplayer is horribly unbalanced. Armor Abilities and designs of maps are abysmally terrible.

And, I said it is my opinion. Where I did imply that I was applying to everything? No, I did not do such thing as you claimed. You need to prove that I said like that which I certainly did not.

Please, read my post again to prevent any possible embarrassment to yourself due to lack of reading comprehensions.

  • 04.30.2012 1:25 PM PDT

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I will probably stick with Bungie as 343 seem to be going the wrong way

  • 04.30.2012 1:44 PM PDT

(Bungie > 343i)

Yes! or at least sometime soon.

  • 04.30.2012 1:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Elder Bias

Calm down, no need to get fussy over this video game. I said I only disagree that Reach being "OMG BEST GAME" or "fantastic" game.
No, you did not. You said that its storyline was cliche and the multiplayer is "much worse." That's VERY different than saying that you don't believe it was a great game. Nor has anyone said that Reach is, quote, "OMG BEST GAME". I said I enjoyed it more than the original Halo trilogy, but that is NOT equivalent to a trollish, internet-slang-ridden statement.

Any six year old can write actual storyline that is much, much more better than Reach's storyline. Again, this is NOT a premise to an argument. It's a statement without basis. Your opinions cannot, and will not be taken seriously unless you take the time and energy to support them with evidence. And, as I said before, if you think you can do better, then do it. You can't simply dismiss a call-out by saying "Well, anybody could do it." That's a cop-out, and a painfully transparent one, at that.

Besides, I'm only going to mention one thing about storyline is that it broke the Halo universe's canonical information. Then that is NOT a cliche. That's a personal distaste for the retcon which has occurred between Fall Of Reach and the game, and that's what you should have said. Don't try to argue that something is "cliche," the word YOU USED, when what you really mean is that it altered the existing storyline.

Mutliplayer is horribly unbalanced. Armor Abilities and designs of maps are abysmally terrible. I don't feel the same, but this isn't an opinion I can make a riposte to, because it's so intimately linked to personal experience. So I'll give you that one.

And, I said it is my opinion. Where I did imply that I was applying to everything? No, I did not do such thing as you claimed. You need to prove that I said like that which I certainly did not. And as I said, I am ARGUING that opinion. That's what we do here. We discuss things. If all you want to do is state your opinion without having to defend it, go hang out in The Flood with all the ________ Vs. ________ threads and the "Post a _______ for the person below you" threads. If you can't stand behind your opinion and put forth a decent argument for it, supported by premises and evidence, then it's probably not an opinion worth defending in the first place.

Additionally, never did I say that you were putting forth anything but an opinion. You seem to be taking the fact that I'm attempting to argue your opinion as somehow saying that you were trying to pawn said opinion off as fact. That would be patently ridiculous, because facts are, by definition, FACTS. You can't argue facts. Opinions, on the other hand, can and should be argued.

Please, read my post again to prevent any possible embarrassment to yourself due to lack of reading comprehensions. Oh, I read your post quite carefully. Perhaps you should read mine more carefully. I am attempting to have a calm, rational argument with you, which, as I said, is what these forums are for (in part). You seem to be taking that fact as a reason to get defensive, hiding behind the word "opinion" as though somehow these are sacred or inviolable. If you don't want or expect to be questioned on the things you say, then you should not say them.

As an addendum: I can tell by the way you write that you're not a native English speaker, so I'm not going to zing you for the grammar issues, but I would suggest that you do not question my comprehension abilities when you don't have a complete grasp of the language yourself. It makes your condescension come off as delusional. And hilarious.

  • 04.30.2012 2:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Does every thread have to devolve into a hate-fest? This is about whether you want to see Bungie's next game at E3, not how good/bad Reach was. I admit, I was part of it too, but can we stop complaining about it?

  • 04.30.2012 2:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
Does every thread have to devolve into a hate-fest? This is about whether you want to see Bungie's next game at E3, not how good/bad Reach was. I admit, I was part of it too, but can we stop complaining about it?

it comes to hate because bungie makes the best games and gets EVERYONE on the website ha ha lol

  • 04.30.2012 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xd00999
Does every thread have to devolve into a hate-fest? This is about whether you want to see Bungie's next game at E3, not how good/bad Reach was. I admit, I was part of it too, but can we stop complaining about it?

Why is trying to have a reasonable debate considered a devolution into a "hate-fest"? I will grant that we have veered dangerously into off-topic territory, but if we can't posit arguments, what's the point? Everything will just turn into more "Yes" or "No" answer threads, and this community will die.

We're here to share ideas and discuss things. If we just wanted answers to yes or no questions, we could ask the voices in our heads. We have to be willing to keep things civil, and we have to make arguments rather than simply spout unsupported statements, and we should all be open to change should we encounter arguments with better reasoning than our own. But that's what this community should be; a group of people with a shared interest (Bungie) who discuss and debate the things of and related to that shared interest. It's not just about Reach. It's about the level of dialogue here, and the fact that somewhere along the line rational disagreement and argumentation became tantamount to insults and hatred.

[Edited on 04.30.2012 3:06 PM PDT]

  • 04.30.2012 3:05 PM PDT

Elder Bias:
And, I said it is my opinion.


You clearly have not been here long enough to know that your opinion does not matter.

/for the sake of argument

On a note that is much more on topic, I hope that Bungie at least gives us more of an inkling of what they're up to. They don't have to go into specifics, but I'm beginning to become bored of waiting and have come to the point of where I don't really care anymore after they teamed up with one of the other head honchos in the gaming industry.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to swoon with Bioware (ME3's ending ignored). Don't fail me now Bungie!

  • 04.30.2012 3:19 PM PDT