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Subject: Halo 3 > Halo 4


Posted by: killingfrenzy11

Posted by: xbLdan7

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: killingfrenzy11
Halo 2 > Halo 3: ODST > Halo 3.
Please leave trolls. No one is interested in your biased opinions. I know you all started with Halo 2 and your nostalgia is blinding your vision because Halo 3 is far superior. Leave now.


Stating an opinion =/= trolling. Halo 2 was just more fun to me.
Off topic and trying to incite flame war is trolling.

  • 04.10.2012 11:53 AM PDT

Posted by: GabkochX
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Posted by: Captain Grade 3
Halo 3 > Halo 3: ODST >>>>> Halo 2

Don't worry guys, I fixed your silly mistake.

LMAO

  • 04.10.2012 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: xbLdan7

Posted by: killingfrenzy11

Posted by: xbLdan7

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: killingfrenzy11
Halo 2 > Halo 3: ODST > Halo 3.
Please leave trolls. No one is interested in your biased opinions. I know you all started with Halo 2 and your nostalgia is blinding your vision because Halo 3 is far superior. Leave now.


Stating an opinion =/= trolling. Halo 2 was just more fun to me.
Off topic and trying to incite flame war is trolling.


I wasn't trying to start a flamewar. Clearly the topic was about stating your opinion when you did Halo 3 > Halo 4.

You may need to be more specific in future. Sorry if I offended you.

[Edited on 04.10.2012 12:03 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2012 12:02 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: xbLdan7

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: killingfrenzy11
Halo 2 > Halo 3: ODST > Halo 3.
Please leave trolls. No one is interested in your biased opinions. I know you all started with Halo 2 and your nostalgia is blinding your vision because Halo 3 is far superior. Leave now.


Oh wow, you're the funniest person I've seen on here in a long time!

Let's break your post down.
Please leave trolls. No one is interested in your biased opinions.

One doesn't become a troll for having an opinion, you know? Just because you disagree or believe something else, that doesn't make anyone else lesser here.

I know you all started with Halo 2 and your nostalgia is blinding your vision because Halo 3 is far superior.

1) You don't know anything, your presumptuousness results in nothing short of total idocy.

2) Pfft! I think you need to recheck what 'biased' means, since you're dictating which is best based off nothing but your own one-sided opinion. Gee, where have I heard this before...?

Please leave trolls. No one is interested in your biased opinions.

Oh yeah! Right back at you, mate. :)

Halo 3 is far superior

Purely subjective. In my view, Halo 2's campaign boasted the deepest and most character-driven story in the series, next to ODST. The perspective of Thel enabled Bungie to give the Covenant a 'voice' and establish that they're not just aliens we're supposed to shoot, we're shown from the beginning that humanity is united against this single threat but the Covenant is internally divided which sets their goal up for failure.

Foreshadowing and narrative devices aren't present in Halo 3, there's no sense of competent structure either - unlike ODST which is based heavily off the classic epic poem Inferno from Dante's Divine Comedy. This kind of reference to classical literature and its influence on the characters and plot gives a great deal of depth to the game, doing an Oscar Wilde and improving an established concept.

Another thing is the resolution of plot. In each Halo game the story has reached a conclusion:
- Halo CE: Halo is destroyed, a Covenant armada obliterated and the Flood seemingly vanquished. Due to Bungie not knowing if they're going to make Halo 2, John and Cortana's fate is left ambiguous.

(Halo 2 doesn't count since it's the middle-act and bridge to Halo 3.)

- ODST: Having gone through the '9 Circles of Hell', Sadie, the Rookie and the squad escape the Covenant-occupied city. They've got Vergil and Buck is reunited with Dare. Stage is set for Halo 3.

- Halo Wars: The Spirit of Fire's crew destroys the Covenant, the Shield World and Forerunner armada at the Apex. However, they're stranded in space without an FTL reactor - mirroring the end of Halo CE.

- Reach: As much as I detested this game's story, it reached a full and satisfying conclusion. Everyone died (sans Jun, who remains in canonical limbo), the planet died, but Keyes escaped and the story linked to the start of Halo CE.

And now, Halo 3. The game where you apparently "finish the fight". Yes, the Human-Covenant war is over, but:
1) There are still 6 Halos primed and ready to fire.

2) The Flood is still out there.

3) The Gravemind states that the destruction of Halo will not be the end of him, it will only delay his return.

4) Mendicant Bias tells John he's sending him to the Forerunners as proof of his atonement.

5) Insurrectionists still an active force.

These are major plot points, Bungie made the Bioware mistake of introducing new things to the fiction at the conclusion of the game. Many are saying that Halo 3 is where the story ended, I'm sorry but no it isn't. Bungie left their final game so open a new trilogy was inevitable in order to plug these holes shut.

Anyways, back to the point. Halo 3's story doesn't do what it was supposed to - "finish the fight". It delays the fight, leaving a much larger conflict at hand. Matched with all the other problems with this game's story it's nowhere near as good as Halo 2 from a logical standpoint.


Wow, nothing of this is on topic to the original discussion. It's just you trolling your fanboy opinions. Thankfully there aren't a lot of you halo 2 fans, but you sure know how to complain on ends about how Halo 2 is the best and your angry that we feel different. Thank you for killing my thread and forcing me to go on a tangent, because this is how I wanted to spend an afternoon.

If Halo 2 really showed how human the covenant are how come all the books explain that the elites were really only looking out for themselves. In Halo Legends and on the online comics they explain that they weren't really happy that they lost the war against the prophets and especially didn't like to be on par with Brutes. They were a gladiatorial race. It's mainly the arbiter that was humanized, and he continues to support the humans and chief throughout all of Halo 3.

Not sure where I talked down on Halo 3: ODST once. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're making an illogical conclusion if you believe I have any issues with it other than its length. It was too short and easy, but it was still loads of fun. It was also considered DLC originally and ran using the exact same engine as Halo 3.

You bring up gravemind. Do you really find Halo 2 gravemind more compelling than Halo 3 gravemind? Wow, I just don't understand your logic at all with this. In Halo 2, he looked ridiculous and his lines were easy to overlook. In Halo 3, they used very unique cinematic effects to show his influence with the slow motion blur and blended multivoice. Also, isn't a gravemind just a highly evolved flood. We see protogravemind in Halo 1 so why is it a problem that gravemind would return.

You call Reach satisfying. Well, on ODST there's an easter egg stating that Jun died on Reach yet the game failed to mention that. 343i stated that one of the members survived. It's implied that Jun is the survivor because we see him fly away. However, there have been several theories beyond the ODST memorial easter egg that would make this a plothole. If Jun died who would the survivor be. Noble Six? Maybe, but it's also implied he died when we see a few elites just storm him and his helmet flies off. This leaves Jorge as the only remaining possibility. What happened to Jorge? We didn't actually see him blow up. Being Dr. Hasley's kid I'm one of the few that think he is the one that survived. I might be wrong, but it would make more sense considering he was a Spartan II and could have some "luck" to escape. If it isn't Noble Six or Jorge then there are plotholes that need explaining...which will lead 343i to decide that the easter egg isn't cannon. I felt that the cinematics and cut scene dialogue were very poor and in game combat dialogue was just as stale. To suggest Halo Reach was a better campaign then Halo 3...LOL

This wasn't about halo just as a story or the campaign. This was about the feel of playing the game. It was mostly about how the recent changes will ruin the unique style of halo multiplayer. It's not necessary a risk to create a game more like cod or battlefield. What I wanted was an evolution that included what past halo's did right. They are completely ruining the design of maps for the sake of jetpacks and sprint. I know that they said there will be classic halo, but they were also playing up a return to Halo 2/3 when Halo 4 is clearly built off of Reach's sandbox. They lied about the vanilla style so what makes you think they would have dedicated classic playlists. Most likely there will be few and they will be overshadowed by Halo 4's vanilla "Team Slayer" which will include all the modifications and unbalanced gimmics that plagued Reach.

343i didn't evolve halo. They took Reach and then threw in a couple cod ideas. Everything looks as if we are buying Reach 2.0, and honestly I feel a bit betrayed. They promised big change and an evolved return to classic halo. They blatantly lied and kept it a secret to increase our anticipation.

I've posted this before:

My halo 4 reaction;
At first I was like :)
*reads GI article*
Then I was like this D:<

I'm not going to give you any more of my time on Halo 2 right now because I'm trying to keep this thread on topic.

  • 04.10.2012 12:30 PM PDT

Also, you said it yourself in your post. The human-covenant war is over. Earth is saved. See the words "finish the (this) fight" are a reference to Halo 2. In Halo 2, the chief was trying to protect earth from the covenant. In Halo 3, they saved earth and ended the covenant invasion therefore that statement holds true.

Halo 3 was a finished game, Halo 2 was not. That's also a fact not an opinion. We can all blame Micro$oft for that. It took till the climax of Halo 3 before the Chief's mission from Halo 2 was complete.

Also, the reason the halo series is not over is because of the existence of another Ark. That's the reason that the halo rings are still relevant to the plot. That's hardly a plothole that halo 3 could be faulted on. Anyone could make up there's another one out there...that wasn't mentioned, talked about, or shown in the original trilogy.

[Edited on 04.10.2012 12:43 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2012 12:36 PM PDT

I run Skirmish!!!

as it looks right now, halo 4 is looking like reach all over again... Which is leaving a distaste in my mouth all over again that i got from reach in the first place... I really hope they do not bring back armor lock, jet back or the HORRIBLE matchmaking system otherwise i will be one of those grizzled ancients still playing halo 3

  • 04.10.2012 12:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Halo 2 suckzzzzz

Posted by: killingfrenzy11
Halo 2 > Halo 3: ODST > Halo 3.


Nope, Halo 1 > Halo 3 >= Halo ODST > Reach > Halo 2


Don't feed the trolls. Bringing Halo 1 into this is just going more off topic.

  • 04.10.2012 12:51 PM PDT
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I can grantee you there wont be armor lock but there will be something like it, e.g the invincibility from Halo: 3.

[Edited on 04.10.2012 12:52 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2012 12:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: xbLdan7
Thread was derailed by trolls. The original title hardly fit the thread's posted content.

Originally, I made this thread to show my disappointment with the recent news of Halo 4. I personally feel it will fall very short of Halo 3 and lose the unique feel of Halo Multiplayer.


I feel similar but I don't think Halo 4 will fail as a whole. On the campaign side of things I have full faith in 343i.

Multiplayer I reserve judgement but I don't like what I'm hearing.

  • 04.10.2012 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: xbLdan7
Wow, nothing of this is on topic to the original discussion. It's just you trolling your fanboy opinions. Thankfully there aren't a lot of you halo 2 fans, but you sure know how to complain on ends about how Halo 2 is the best and your angry that we feel different. Thank you for killing my thread and forcing me to go on a tangent, because this is how I wanted to spend an afternoon.


Sigh. There's nothing 'fanboy'ish about my opinions here, believing Halo 2 to be the best =/= being a fanboy. I've not forced you to do anything, you could well have ignored me and carried on your own rant.

If Halo 2 really showed how human the covenant are how come all the books explain that the elites were really only looking out for themselves. In Halo Legends and on the online comics they explain that they weren't really happy that they lost the war against the prophets and especially didn't like to be on par with Brutes. They were a gladiatorial race. It's mainly the arbiter that was humanized, and he continues to support the humans and chief throughout all of Halo 3.

Er... You've either read totally different material to me or you've just wildly misinterpreted it all.

Firstly, the books that focus on the POV of the Elites came AFTER Halo 2's release (albeit The Flood, but that didn't go into depth on the larger picture of the Sangheili).

There were no Elites that joined the Covenant because they were looking out for themselves, they made the truce with the Prophets because of the promise of the Great Journey. The only example of an Elite that matches your description is Fal in The Duel and he's clearly shown as a minority, the rest of the Elites were too absorbed by their belief in the Covenant's doctrine - the fight scene where an entire army is against Fal was more or less designed to convey that.

The Elite-Prophet war isn't so much as mentioned from a personal source in the story, it's all factual information that has been gathered up from various other sources.

Before the Changing of the Guard, the Elites were not on the same level as the Brutes at all... The Elites were highly favoured before, it was only when truth began spinning his web of lies that he showed more favour towards the Brutes because of their docile nature - he judged that the Sangheili were too intelligent for their own good and would question him.

Not sure where I talked down on Halo 3: ODST once. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're making an illogical conclusion if you believe I have any issues with it other than its length. It was too short and easy, but it was still loads of fun. It was also considered DLC originally and ran using the exact same engine as Halo 3.

I brought up ODST to support the argument that Halo 3 lacked a competent structure, I probably waffled on about it too much though.

You bring up gravemind. Do you really find Halo 2 gravemind more compelling than Halo 3 gravemind? Wow, I just don't understand your logic at all with this. In Halo 2, he looked ridiculous and his lines were easy to overlook. In Halo 3, they used very unique cinematic effects to show his influence with the slow motion blur and blended multivoice. Also, isn't a gravemind just a highly evolved flood. We see protogravemind in Halo 1 so why is it a problem that gravemind would return.

I admit, I did like the air of mystery created by Gravemind in Halo 3 but I found it slightly frustrating that he's the main figure behind everything and yet had no direct intervention. In Halo 2, I liked how his appearance was an unexpected twist and how he directly manipulated the two protagonists into working together.

Gravemind in the trilogy has the same consciousness as the Timeless One from the Forerunner Saga, when the Precursors joined with the Flood they all became advanced Graveminds and their memories compiled together - as the Gravemind in Halo 2 and 3 recalls memories from the Human-Flood war 110,000 years ago among various other things.

You call Reach satisfying. Well, on ODST there's an easter egg stating that Jun died on Reach yet the game failed to mention that.

No there isn't. If you're talking about that memorial on the ONI map, that's not Jun from Reach. Firstly, it has a surname which Spartans either forgot (e.g. Kurt) or disowned because it wasn't a part of their lives anymore. Also, Spartans are never marked as KIA, always MIA. Lastly, Jun was a Spartan-III and therefore top secret, only 20 people in ONI knew about the program.

343i stated that one of the members survived. It's implied that Jun is the survivor because we see him fly away.

No they didn't. They said they have no plans to do anything with Jun at Halo Fest, therefore for the sake of the established story (him not being with Halsey at CASTLE Base both when Red Team arrived and when John evacuated the facility in the Ascendant Justice) he's dead.

However, there have been several theories beyond the ODST memorial easter egg that would make this a plothole. If Jun died who would the survivor be. Noble Six? Maybe, but it's also implied he died when we see a few elites just storm him and his helmet flies off.

Bungie confirmed that Six, along with the rest of Noble Team, died.

This leaves Jorge as the only remaining possibility. What happened to Jorge? We didn't actually see him blow up. Being Dr. Hasley's kid I'm one of the few that think he is the one that survived. I might be wrong, but it would make more sense considering he was a Spartan II and could have some "luck" to escape. If it isn't Noble Six or Jorge then there are plotholes that need explaining...which will lead 343i to decide that the easter egg isn't cannon. I felt that the cinematics and cut scene dialogue were very poor and in game combat dialogue was just as stale. To suggest Halo Reach was a better campaign then Halo 3...LOL

Contact Harvest goes into a lot of detail about slipspace.

The epicentre of the detonation was inside the Ardent Prayer (the Corvette). Slipspace tears space open, notice how every other iteration of a slipspace transaction has the portal open at the bow of the ship. If the "edges" of the slipspace portal sheared through the LNoS, then they'd have had to tear through the Corvette too, effectived tearing the Ardent Prayer inside-out.

Jorge had no helmet on, he'd have been exposed to vacuum and radiation. Even if he managed to get it back on, MJOLNIR Mark V has about 80 minutes of oxygen and Jorge's helmet is a modified Mark IV. Slipspace transactions can take weeks/months, especially since it's a UNSC drive.

Jorge had accepted he was going to die, his purpose in the story was fulfilled.

Oh, and to clarify I'm not saying that Reach's campaign was better than Halo 3's in the slightest. That would just be stupid, I'm saying that it had a fuller sense of closure to it.

This wasn't about halo just as a story or the campaign. This was about the feel of playing the game. It was mostly about how the recent changes will ruin the unique style of halo multiplayer. It's not necessary a risk to create a game more like cod or battlefield. What I wanted was an evolution that included what past halo's did right. They are completely ruining the design of maps for the sake of jetpacks and sprint. I know that they said there will be classic halo, but they were also playing up a return to Halo 2/3 when Halo 4 is clearly built off of Reach's sandbox. They lied about the vanilla style so what makes you think they would have dedicated classic playlists. Most likely there will be few and they will be overshadowed by Halo 4's vanilla "Team Slayer" which will include all the modifications and unbalanced gimmics that plagued Reach.

343i didn't evolve halo. They took Reach and then threw in a couple cod ideas. Everything looks as if we are buying Reach 2.0, and honestly I feel a bit betrayed. They promised big change and an evolved return to classic halo. They blatantly lied and kept it a secret to increase our anticipation.

I've posted this before:

My halo 4 reaction;
At first I was like :)
*reads GI article*
Then I was like this D:<

I'm not going to give you any more of my time on Halo 2 right now because I'm trying to keep this thread on topic.


I guess there's no point in me trying to change your opinion as I'd be wasting both my time and yours. Personally, I'm going to wait and see how this turns out. If it doesn't, that sucks and that's down to 343i but at the same time it could be successful and be a good move for Halo. Right now, we don't know.

(And for whatever it's worth, I apologise for dragging us all so far off-topic.)

[Edited on 04.10.2012 1:40 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2012 1:38 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 3 > Halo 4


Posted by: xbLdan7
Posted by: CopyBookGangsta
It will definitely be better than halo reach.

Multiplayer will be just as bad as Halo reach. Campaign will probably be better. You're right though, it can't get much worse than Reach.


Thats the sad thing... It actually can, which is pathetic but it looks like that is where it is headed...

  • 04.10.2012 10:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24
You're basing this off of......


Oh right I almost forgot. A GI magazine that comes out next month, with unconfirmed "leaked content".

You need to play the beta, see some more trailers, THEN form a decent opinion.


They won't do a beta because they want people to buy halo 4. If they play the beta and realize it sucks more people won't buy it. HAHA jokes on you Microsoft I'm not buying it anyways so -blam!- you!

  • 04.10.2012 10:35 PM PDT

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