By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Posted by: xbLdan7
Wow, nothing of this is on topic to the original discussion. It's just you trolling your fanboy opinions. Thankfully there aren't a lot of you halo 2 fans, but you sure know how to complain on ends about how Halo 2 is the best and your angry that we feel different. Thank you for killing my thread and forcing me to go on a tangent, because this is how I wanted to spend an afternoon.
Sigh. There's nothing 'fanboy'ish about my opinions here, believing Halo 2 to be the best =/= being a fanboy. I've not forced you to do anything, you could well have ignored me and carried on your own rant.
If Halo 2 really showed how human the covenant are how come all the books explain that the elites were really only looking out for themselves. In Halo Legends and on the online comics they explain that they weren't really happy that they lost the war against the prophets and especially didn't like to be on par with Brutes. They were a gladiatorial race. It's mainly the arbiter that was humanized, and he continues to support the humans and chief throughout all of Halo 3.
Er... You've either read totally different material to me or you've just wildly misinterpreted it all.
Firstly, the books that focus on the POV of the Elites came AFTER Halo 2's release (albeit The Flood, but that didn't go into depth on the larger picture of the Sangheili).
There were no Elites that joined the Covenant because they were looking out for themselves, they made the truce with the Prophets because of the promise of the Great Journey. The only example of an Elite that matches your description is Fal in The Duel and he's clearly shown as a minority, the rest of the Elites were too absorbed by their belief in the Covenant's doctrine - the fight scene where an entire army is against Fal was more or less designed to convey that.
The Elite-Prophet war isn't so much as mentioned from a personal source in the story, it's all factual information that has been gathered up from various other sources.
Before the Changing of the Guard, the Elites were not on the same level as the Brutes at all... The Elites were highly favoured before, it was only when truth began spinning his web of lies that he showed more favour towards the Brutes because of their docile nature - he judged that the Sangheili were too intelligent for their own good and would question him.
Not sure where I talked down on Halo 3: ODST once. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're making an illogical conclusion if you believe I have any issues with it other than its length. It was too short and easy, but it was still loads of fun. It was also considered DLC originally and ran using the exact same engine as Halo 3.
I brought up ODST to support the argument that Halo 3 lacked a competent structure, I probably waffled on about it too much though.
You bring up gravemind. Do you really find Halo 2 gravemind more compelling than Halo 3 gravemind? Wow, I just don't understand your logic at all with this. In Halo 2, he looked ridiculous and his lines were easy to overlook. In Halo 3, they used very unique cinematic effects to show his influence with the slow motion blur and blended multivoice. Also, isn't a gravemind just a highly evolved flood. We see protogravemind in Halo 1 so why is it a problem that gravemind would return.
I admit, I did like the air of mystery created by Gravemind in Halo 3 but I found it slightly frustrating that he's the main figure behind everything and yet had no direct intervention. In Halo 2, I liked how his appearance was an unexpected twist and how he directly manipulated the two protagonists into working together.
Gravemind in the trilogy has the same consciousness as the Timeless One from the Forerunner Saga, when the Precursors joined with the Flood they all became advanced Graveminds and their memories compiled together - as the Gravemind in Halo 2 and 3 recalls memories from the Human-Flood war 110,000 years ago among various other things.
You call Reach satisfying. Well, on ODST there's an easter egg stating that Jun died on Reach yet the game failed to mention that.
No there isn't. If you're talking about that memorial on the ONI map, that's not Jun from Reach. Firstly, it has a surname which Spartans either forgot (e.g. Kurt) or disowned because it wasn't a part of their lives anymore. Also, Spartans are never marked as KIA, always MIA. Lastly, Jun was a Spartan-III and therefore top secret, only 20 people in ONI knew about the program.
343i stated that one of the members survived. It's implied that Jun is the survivor because we see him fly away.
No they didn't. They said they have no plans to do anything with Jun at Halo Fest, therefore for the sake of the established story (him not being with Halsey at CASTLE Base both when Red Team arrived and when John evacuated the facility in the Ascendant Justice) he's dead.
However, there have been several theories beyond the ODST memorial easter egg that would make this a plothole. If Jun died who would the survivor be. Noble Six? Maybe, but it's also implied he died when we see a few elites just storm him and his helmet flies off.
Bungie confirmed that Six, along with the rest of Noble Team, died.
This leaves Jorge as the only remaining possibility. What happened to Jorge? We didn't actually see him blow up. Being Dr. Hasley's kid I'm one of the few that think he is the one that survived. I might be wrong, but it would make more sense considering he was a Spartan II and could have some "luck" to escape. If it isn't Noble Six or Jorge then there are plotholes that need explaining...which will lead 343i to decide that the easter egg isn't cannon. I felt that the cinematics and cut scene dialogue were very poor and in game combat dialogue was just as stale. To suggest Halo Reach was a better campaign then Halo 3...LOL
Contact Harvest goes into a lot of detail about slipspace.
The epicentre of the detonation was inside the Ardent Prayer (the Corvette). Slipspace tears space open, notice how every other iteration of a slipspace transaction has the portal open at the bow of the ship. If the "edges" of the slipspace portal sheared through the LNoS, then they'd have had to tear through the Corvette too, effectived tearing the Ardent Prayer inside-out.
Jorge had no helmet on, he'd have been exposed to vacuum and radiation. Even if he managed to get it back on, MJOLNIR Mark V has about 80 minutes of oxygen and Jorge's helmet is a modified Mark IV. Slipspace transactions can take weeks/months, especially since it's a UNSC drive.
Jorge had accepted he was going to die, his purpose in the story was fulfilled.
Oh, and to clarify I'm not saying that Reach's campaign was better than Halo 3's in the slightest. That would just be stupid, I'm saying that it had a fuller sense of closure to it.
This wasn't about halo just as a story or the campaign. This was about the feel of playing the game. It was mostly about how the recent changes will ruin the unique style of halo multiplayer. It's not necessary a risk to create a game more like cod or battlefield. What I wanted was an evolution that included what past halo's did right. They are completely ruining the design of maps for the sake of jetpacks and sprint. I know that they said there will be classic halo, but they were also playing up a return to Halo 2/3 when Halo 4 is clearly built off of Reach's sandbox. They lied about the vanilla style so what makes you think they would have dedicated classic playlists. Most likely there will be few and they will be overshadowed by Halo 4's vanilla "Team Slayer" which will include all the modifications and unbalanced gimmics that plagued Reach.
343i didn't evolve halo. They took Reach and then threw in a couple cod ideas. Everything looks as if we are buying Reach 2.0, and honestly I feel a bit betrayed. They promised big change and an evolved return to classic halo. They blatantly lied and kept it a secret to increase our anticipation.
I've posted this before:
My halo 4 reaction;
At first I was like :)
*reads GI article*
Then I was like this D:<
I'm not going to give you any more of my time on Halo 2 right now because I'm trying to keep this thread on topic.
I guess there's no point in me trying to change your opinion as I'd be wasting both my time and yours. Personally, I'm going to wait and see how this turns out. If it doesn't, that sucks and that's down to 343i but at the same time it could be successful and be a good move for Halo. Right now, we don't know.
(And for whatever it's worth, I apologise for dragging us all so far off-topic.)
[Edited on 04.10.2012 1:40 PM PDT]