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Subject: How do you think S-117 will deal with Dr. Halsey's arrest?


Posted by: Avatar Korra
They basically arrested a woman for creating a program which won the war. Makes sense, humanity would have gone extinct without her.
Yes, but were the program to be initiated DURING the Human-Covenant War it may have been justified. The S-II Program was created to fight against the Insurrectionists, not the Covenant.

I'd say abducting children to use in a war against other humans (clearly not an "extinction war") is a just a little bit..."immoral" in the eyes of the justice system.

  • 06.01.2012 5:05 AM PDT

A lot of you are forgetting that John-117 is (as it currently stands) a forty-one-year-old veteran of countless engagements. He was recruited/abducted at the age of six, meaning he has thirty five years of military experience in some form or other -- twenty seven of which were spent fighting the Covenant.

He's a man that follow orders to the letter, always has. He's an institutionalised soldier. I don't see him going ape on everyone, more of quiet understanding. Halsey helped humanity as a whole, there's no denying that. And I'm sure John-117 knows that. But he probably understands that Halsey went to some pretty far out extremes in order to achieve that.

He'll understand both sides of the argument. But due to his long service, countless battles and the losses experienced along the way he may even feel some animosity towards Halsey for that. But at the end of the day we have to do what is necessary, then we have to answer for it.

And yes, taking children from their parents is immoral. Regardless of the outcome of the war and the success of the Spartan-II program, if I was John's father I'd want her head on a pike.

  • 06.01.2012 5:52 AM PDT


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Posted by: Avatar Korra
They basically arrested a woman for creating a program which won the war. Makes sense, humanity would have gone extinct without her.
Yes, but were the program to be initiated DURING the Human-Covenant War it may have been justified. The S-II Program was created to fight against the Insurrectionists, not the Covenant.

I'd say abducting children to use in a war against other humans (clearly not an "extinction war") is a just a little bit..."immoral" in the eyes of the justice system.


So, if today you had a group that was nuking civilians whenever they could, killing more civilians then soldiers, and generally threatening to send humanity into the stone age again, you wouldn't do drastic measures to stop them?

I'd say the Spartans were a needed evil. The rebels freaking nuked a colony that was sympathetic to them(IIRC, they nuked it anyway. Unsure about the sympathetic to the cause but I remember it.). They bombed a club just to TRY to kill a few ODST's, resulting in lots of civilian deaths. The rebels were NOT good guys. they weren't "just a group of humans." There were terrorists, A: a convential war would've shattered humanity.
B: Letting them have outer colonies would result in Rebels simply turning their extra freighters into weapons of mass destruction, and keep doing their attack.


Extreme times call for extreme measures. -blam!- about Halsey doing the S2 program all you wish. But remember. ONI funded it. ONI gave the supplies. ONI approved. Halsey could have never done it without ONI's backing. Which they gave fully. Oh, then they started withdrawing it when Halsey actually gave a -blam!- damn about the well-being of the subjects, giving them best chance of survival and such.

So let's see, option A: Do a morally questionable thing, but SAVE humanity from nearly wiping itself out and utterly ruining it's civilization.
or B: Don't do that thing, and match everything spiral further out of control.


A quote from Andromeda I heard recently: "I understand why the universe needs dictators. They are the ones that are willing to make the hard choices and sacrifices to save the rest."

Halsey(heavily backed by ONI) made the hard, questionable(morally) choice. The result? She saved humanity. No Parangosky, HALSEY saved humanity. While I don't say that detail should simply wash her plate clean, the fact Halsey still regrets every Spartan death, regrets having to tear them from their families, regrets seeing the ones crippled beyond healing of the time, THAT is enough punishment.

Oh, and a glasslands quote from Fred I think. He was asked IIRC, what he thought of Halsey 'kidnapping' them and ripping them from the life they had. He (In like... Traviss's one moment of goodness in glasslands) replied with "If she hadn't done that, I would be dead now. She allowed me to live my life to the fullest, and to reach my full potential."

  • 06.01.2012 10:20 AM PDT
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He may not be happy with it, but he was involved in the military from a very young age. He may not like the fact that Halsey was arrested, but he will respect the decision nonetheless.

  • 06.01.2012 12:05 PM PDT

If things happened as they really would've, Halsey would've been released shortly after Blue Team got to Earth.

  • 06.01.2012 12:15 PM PDT

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I think that the more interesting question is how Cortana will react and deal with Halsey's arrest.

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Posted by: ajw34307
I think that the more interesting question is how Cortana will react and deal with Halsey's arrest.


A little pissed perhaps. But it's going to piss off John even more. The reason she was arrested in the first place wasn't justified. It's all because of that -blam!- Parangosky holding a grudge.

At the end of Halsey's story it's going to end in exile or death.

  • 06.01.2012 1:59 PM PDT

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Well seeing as how he won't find out until 4 years after she's arrested I'm sure he'll have to take it in stride. Besides he may not even find out right away that Halsey is even alive since on record she died on Reach. I'm sure he'll be upset since Halsey's his mother figure, but just like the other Spartans he'll have to accept that she broke a lot of laws to get the Spartan IIs to where they are.

  • 06.01.2012 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: McNut117
Somebody fill me in. Halsey got arrested? I'm only like 40 pages into Glasslands.


just finish the book

  • 06.01.2012 6:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Bryanesie
Well seeing as how he won't find out until 4 years after she's arrested I'm sure he'll have to take it in stride. Besides he may not even find out right away that Halsey is even alive since on record she died on Reach. I'm sure he'll be upset since Halsey's his mother figure, but just like the other Spartans he'll have to accept that she broke a lot of laws to get the Spartan IIs to where they are.



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Chief RESCUED Halsey from Reach. He knows damn well she's alive.

Again, those 'laws' she broke? apply to ONI in force or are laughable for use of arrest.

[Edited on 06.01.2012 10:38 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2012 10:36 PM PDT

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How do you know that Halsey will still be under arrest by the time of Halo 4? Glasslands takes place in 2553, and Halo 4 takes place in 2557, after all.

  • 06.02.2012 8:40 AM PDT


Posted by: Mr Evil 37
How do you know that Halsey will still be under arrest by the time of Halo 4? Glasslands takes place in 2553, and Halo 4 takes place in 2557, after all.


Because Parangosky is a stupid, vengeful -blam!-.

She outright said that Halsey wouldn't be freed or killed until Parangosky, then Serin had absolutely nothing possible for Halsey to do.

  • 06.02.2012 8:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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He'd team up with 343 and beat the crap out of ONI. That's where its going anyway, 343 wants Halsey, and Chief won't be to pleased when he discovers ONI made her their scapegoat.

Posted by: ajw34307
I think that the more interesting question is how Cortana will react and deal with Halsey's arrest.


This too. ONI has ticked off the most dangerous soldier humankind knows, an insane AI, and another psychopathic AI who has this nasty habit of blasting people in the face when they annoy him.

[Edited on 06.02.2012 9:43 AM PDT]

  • 06.02.2012 9:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dounut520
I loved Halsey's character, and I don't understand why Traviss had to go and make Halsey seem like the ultimate villain in the halo universe. You really could tell through the way she wrote the ODST's lines how SHE really felt about Halsey. I hope not too much in Halo 4 is based off of Glasslands.
If you can explain what Traviss changed about Halsey as a character, rather than merely presenting a perspective of Halsey's actions that weren't her own (Halsey's thoughts on her own actions, that is), or that of a Spartan-II, I'd greatly appreciate it.

  • 06.02.2012 10:33 AM PDT


Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: Dounut520
I loved Halsey's character, and I don't understand why Traviss had to go and make Halsey seem like the ultimate villain in the halo universe. You really could tell through the way she wrote the ODST's lines how SHE really felt about Halsey. I hope not too much in Halo 4 is based off of Glasslands.
If you can explain what Traviss changed about Halsey as a character, rather than merely presenting a perspective of Halsey's actions that weren't her own (Halsey's thoughts on her own actions, that is), or that of a Spartan-II, I'd greatly appreciate it.


In glasslands, it's all about perspective. Nearly every character we got to hear from came across as utterly hating Halsey (Even Mendez, which is utter bull-blam!-.)

Dounut didn't say Traviss changed Halsey as a character, he said she made everybody see Halsey as an evil mad scientist with no care for her actions.

  • 06.02.2012 10:50 AM PDT

Well seeing as how Parangosky essentially handed Reach over to the Covenant, I think coupled with being responsible for the deaths of damn near every single SPARTAN-II (Which were like family to Master Chief) kidnapping Halsey is probably the last straw for the Chief. I'd say he's coming after ONI once he's finished up on Requiem. Guarantee it.

  • 06.02.2012 2:25 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Well seeing as how Parangosky essentially handed Reach over to the Covenant, I think coupled with being responsible for the deaths of damn near every single SPARTAN-II (Which were like family to Master Chief) kidnapping Halsey is probably the last straw for the Chief. I'd say he's coming after ONI once he's finished up on Requiem. Guarantee it.


Sadly, he knows none of those things :/.

I'd be curious to know how he'd find out though.

  • 06.02.2012 2:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Well seeing as how Parangosky essentially handed Reach over to the Covenant, I think coupled with being responsible for the deaths of damn near every single SPARTAN-II (Which were like family to Master Chief) kidnapping Halsey is probably the last straw for the Chief. I'd say he's coming after ONI once he's finished up on Requiem. Guarantee it.


Sadly, he knows none of those things :/.

I'd be curious to know how he'd find out though.


I don't think he would find out, per say. But information of that magnitude always seems to find its own way into the Chief's lap. Take Gravemind for example. "Relax, I'd rather not piss this thing off." Just goes to show MC isn't an end all be all superhero type and knows his boundaries. I'm sure he'll react with a stable mind set when finding out, but he'd be crazy not to do something about it.

  • 06.02.2012 5:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Avatar Korra
They basically arrested a woman for creating a program which won the war. Makes sense, humanity would have gone extinct without her.
Yes, but were the program to be initiated DURING the Human-Covenant War it may have been justified. The S-II Program was created to fight against the Insurrectionists, not the Covenant.

I'd say abducting children to use in a war against other humans (clearly not an "extinction war") is a just a little bit..."immoral" in the eyes of the justice system.


But it was a calculated decision to save thousands of lives. ONI then initiated the Spartan-III program that intentionally sent children on suicide missions. Then they decided that the S-II program was immoral.

Sense. This makes none.

  • 06.03.2012 8:04 PM PDT

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Something tells me it will be one of those "What do you believe is right?" situations, like the situation in First Strike when Chief has to decide which data crystal to give to ONI.

  • 06.03.2012 9:12 PM PDT

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let loose the rooster and hold the hen.

Seriously guys? Halo is a game where you shoot evil aliens, make friends with split jawed dudes, and blow up ancient alien constructs. I hope Halsey getting arrested just means we get to blow up ONI HQ too. Don't bring politics or morals into it.

  • 06.03.2012 10:52 PM PDT


Posted by: biggie1212969
Seriously guys? Halo is a game where you shoot evil aliens, make friends with split jawed dudes, and blow up ancient alien constructs. I hope Halsey getting arrested just means we get to blow up ONI HQ too. Don't bring politics or morals into it.


For a "true halo fan" you seem to not regard the lore and it's details highly.

  • 06.03.2012 11:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bryanesie
Well seeing as how he won't find out until 4 years after she's arrested I'm sure he'll have to take it in stride. Besides he may not even find out right away that Halsey is even alive since on record she died on Reach. I'm sure he'll be upset since Halsey's his mother figure, but just like the other Spartans he'll have to accept that she broke a lot of laws to get the Spartan IIs to where they are.



*FACEPALM x10*

Chief RESCUED Halsey from Reach. He knows damn well she's alive.

Again, those 'laws' she broke? apply to ONI in force or are laughable for use of arrest.
Proof?

  • 06.04.2012 1:41 AM PDT

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Personally I think its all just a ruse and excuse for Parangosky to put Halsey on a leash.

Um... that or just bad storytelling.

I prefer the former.

  • 06.04.2012 2:49 AM PDT

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  • 06.04.2012 4:07 AM PDT

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