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He may travelled through space.

  • 05.31.2006 9:19 AM PDT

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Yeah maybe Gravemind did fly into space with no space vehicle. I mean sure he would be defying gravity and the air pressure would be guranteed to kill him and because of his low force during the time he exited halos atmosphere he would just randomly move threw space before shortly runing out of oxygen and then dieing. I think you guys have a great way of looking at things. I mean sure IAC crashes into HC and pelicans come out of it and begin crashing around the city. Sure it's 99.9 repeated % chance he was in IAC and sure it makes sense but instead we should all make up theories that are impossible as they make more sense!Honestly guys those Gravemind came in IAC but I don't see any way how besides teleportation. Unless Gravemind can move at the spped of light it is impossible that he can't teleport.

  • 05.31.2006 9:35 AM PDT
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F-f-f-f-fling yourself.

Everyone knows the overmind can fly in space -- er, I mean Gravemind...

  • 05.31.2006 9:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: ghostvirus
The question lies how did he get in IAC? I believe he teleported into it . He did this because he needed a ship to leave HC after he was done with his buisness. What was his buisness? Well lets just say we know cortana is still in exsitence with Gravemind in another galaxy . So she is important to him some how.


1) You have no proof flood can't be teleport

2) Explain how get gets under the lake to save master chief followed by seconds later being on the other side of the ring saving the arbiter from his fall. I guess he ran a few hundred or thousand miles in a good 15 seconds. No nothing wrong with that theory. *rolls eyes


3) Yeah last time I checked the flood also can't use teleporters with out a control switch and can't force an AI in a planet made into a interstellar city to come out of it and come with him to another galaxy. Also flood can't bring the dead back to life but Gravemind did. I mean regret looked weaker then a human being and he punched in the face by a 1000 pound man four times and then his chair blew up sending what looked like electricity all around regret thus shocking him. Again enough to kill him and finally the building he was in was blown up by plasma and the roof was left to collapse on him before he was incenerated by the hottest material. Then a mintue later he's merged into one of graveminds tentecles and talking about the great journey. Now either Gravemind was playing mind tricks (flood can't do this either) or he brought the dead alive.


1) No proof (at least I don't) but it would make sense. The Forerunners would probably put a recognition program in the transporters, so that the Flood could not use them (to transport themselves). And if they could, then why use In Amber Clad to get the Flood to High Charity (altho I accept it could possibly be out of range)

2) I think Gravemind's tentacles extend a fair way around Delta Halo. And the two events, altho close together for us, could have been chronilogicaly far away.

3) This is an intersting point. Maybe Gravemind was waiting under the structure (unlikely I know, but possible). He could have found Regret's body in the rubble as it sank. And as for back to life, I'm not so sure. Regret seemed too focused on his 'Sermon', and not the massive monster sitting behind him. He may have been alive, but not fully lucid.

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The gravemind is a flood.It doesnt matter if he breaths.He can just fly into space.AND AFTER ALL ITS A GAME!!!

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Guys, it's simple. He used In Amber Clad. There's no reason why he shouldn't. It makes perfect sense. No need to mess around with teleportation or travelling through space.

By the way, I'd speculate that teleportation for him would indeed be a possibility, but he'd need an astronomical amount of energy to move something that big. So it's possible, I think, but just highly unlikely. I mean, why go through all that trouble and try to get that huge amount of energy, when one can just use a starship that is sitting above one's head? It can't have been too hard to commandeer a Pelican with some Flood underlings, go up, capture the ship, bring it down to the surface so Gravemind can board it, and voila!

Space travel without a ship is so unlikely that I think we can all dismiss it right now. There's no atmosphere in space, first off. Gravemind would suffocate. Second, how would he get off the ring? He can't just jump off, or the ring's gravity would pull him back - and I think it's foolish to believe that there is only gravity on the inside of the ring. Third, there is not enough pressure in space to hold human bodies together, and from my experience, Flood are not much tougher than humans. That's one of the reasons why it's called a 'vacuum'. Finally, it is hellishly cold in space. If Gravemind left his lungs back on the ring so he can breathe though a tentacle or two, somehow catapulted himself off the ring's surface toward High Charity, and found some way from bursting into an unintelligible mass, then our good friend Gravemind would shortly become a massive icicle. (Or should I say "iceberg" in light of his size? No offense, Gravemind.)

Come on, people. It's called "critical thinking".

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HE GOT THERE BECAUSE HE HAD TO BE THERE.!!!

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Has anyone sat thru and watched all the credits after finishing the game? I think that there was an additional cut scence with gravemind. can't remember what he says.

  • 05.31.2006 10:06 AM PDT
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1) You have no proof that they can be teleported

By all logical means, wouldn't you create a system that your enemy can't use. Even though your not sure if it is inteligent or not.

2) It wasn't 15 seconds between the fall in the water for master chief and the fall in the hole for the arbiter.

When you start the library map, there is a cutscene where they talk about Regret's death and the arbiter asks if the demon is here. Between the "killing" of regret and the fall of the arbiter, there are plenty of hours, simply enough for gravemind to travel there by his own means.

3) Gravemind took regret before they bombarded the temple

Use your brain, plasma is superheated stuff which vaporates anything, meaning that it heats everything it comes in contact with well over it's boiling point, going over the boiling point means that it becomes a gas, gas is warm warm molecules, do you think that gravemind started to reassemble regret from the air, every atom back to it's original form, creating regret again, even with his memory.

Look at what David McCulley wrote here too, he is on the same track as I am

http://halosm.bungie.org/story/gravemind.html

Here is the site where the cut-scene is where the arbiter asks who killed regret

http://halosm.bungie.org/story/halo2_level_transcripts/lv10_s acredicon.html

If you think that the arbiter ran through all that in 15 seconds, even less, then you are a good player

Last time I checked the whole story is happening in the same galaxy.

  • 05.31.2006 10:09 AM PDT
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Are you an idiot;At the end there is an additional cutscene!Dont tell me you havent seen it yet!!!!!

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This belongs in a Halo 2 forum.

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Yes. Excellent thought, Naqser. It's obvious, people, that Gravemind took Regret before the temple was destroyed. There's no other way about it. Gravemind may be able to bring organisms back to life (although I myself wouldn't use that term - I'd say, re-incarnate, although that's a rather dangerous word in these circumstances), but he's most certainly not able to change Regret's matter back from the form which its converted into when annihilated (in the true sense of the word) by the plasma bombardment. He'd need very advanced and sophisticated technology for that. Although, seeing as the Forerunners can actually teleport things, maybe he can actually do just that. This, however, is just pure speculation.

By the way, Naqser - just to clarify, plasma is not exactly superheated "stuff". Plasma is actually a singular form of ionized gas which is actually totally separate from other gases, and of course all solids and liquids, which is very often highly infused with radiation and energy. You would be vaporizing that something in a sense, yes, but that is a rather over-simplified description of the process. To vaporize something means to translate it into a gas, as you know, but plasma would not only "burn" it by making it hotter; it would also convert it into a form of plasma, of sorts. Oh, never mind. It's complicated. Just forget I ever said anything.

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yes it does, but how will he get away from it? no ships, no teleport.

Yes. Excellent thought, Naqser. It's obvious, people, that Gravemind took Regret before the temple was destroyed. There's no other way about it. Gravemind may be able to bring organisms back to life (although I myself wouldn't use that term - I'd say, re-incarnate, although that's a rather dangerous word in these circumstances), but he's most certainly not able to change Regret's matter back from the form which its converted into when annihilated (in the true sense of the word) by the plasma bombardment. He'd need very advanced and sophisticated technology for that. Although, seeing as the Forerunners can actually teleport things, maybe he can actually do just that. This, however, is just pure speculation.

By the way, Naqser - just to clarify, plasma is not exactly superheated "stuff". Plasma is actually a singular form of ionized gas which is actually totally separate from other gases, and of course all solids and liquids, which is very often highly infused with radiation and energy. You would be vaporizing that something in a sense, yes, but that is a rather over-simplified description of the process. To vaporize something means to translate it into a gas, as you know, but plasma would not only "burn" it by making it hotter; it would also convert it into a form of plasma, of sorts. Oh, never mind. It's complicated. Just forget I ever said anything


I know what plasma is, it's hard to explain in scientific english terms when you're not english speaking.

I think we all can agree now that Gravemind used In Amber Clad to get to HC, now the question is how he will get away from it, if he will get from it, the powersource is gone.

  • 05.31.2006 11:10 AM PDT
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Who has seen him on High Charity? I have only seen his tentacle snaking through in the very last cutscene. Did I miss something?

  • 05.31.2006 11:13 AM PDT

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Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

i've always wondered about that myself, and after reading all of the opinions i have come to a conclusion. it is quite possible that gravemind did indeed us in amber clad to high charity.

1. the gravemind could not have teleported. if you remember back to halo 1 when you finish out the 2 betrayals level cortana explains how the teleportation on halo works. i don't rememeber exactly what she said but it basically had something to do with "conduits" running through the ring that allowed for teleportation. so it's safe to say he couldn't teleport to high charity.

2. he could have teleported to in amber clad. one of the other posts mentioned that it was above the point in the library where miranda grabbed the index. i have to check that out personally, but if that was the case then gravemind could have used the teleportation system to reach the ship.

3. in amber clad could have been flown to high charity. as has been mentioned several times, flood are capable of piloting human crafts due to the use of their hosts "memories". and you can see that in the last MC level when a couple flood piloted pelicans crash into high charity. it's not that far of a stretch to belive that gravemind could have had other flood pilot the ship to high charity.

again i'm not saying this is gospel or anything, just a conclusion drawn after reading all of the other posts on the subject.

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  • 05.31.2006 4:25 PM PDT

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The Gravemind, in my opinion, is just a large mass of flood, that can grow until it runs out of room, basically. Like a fungus or moss on a rock... Only made out of flood-particles. Maybe he can seperate into pieces or move his brain around.. Some Earth species do stranger things.

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...How did the Chief get on In Amber Clad without killing himself?

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Armor? Spartan-ness? He wasn't going that fast.. Pretty fast. But still, Zero gravity, anyone?

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Posted by: ghostvirus
The question lies how did he get in IAC? I believe he teleported into it . He did this because he needed a ship to leave HC after he was done with his buisness. What was his buisness? Well lets just say we know cortana is still in exsitence with Gravemind in another galaxy . So she is important to him some how.


1) You have no proof flood can't be teleport

2) Explain how get gets under the lake to save master chief followed by seconds later being on the other side of the ring saving the arbiter from his fall. I guess he ran a few hundred or thousand miles in a good 15 seconds. No nothing wrong with that theory. *rolls eyes


3) Yeah last time I checked the flood also can't use teleporters with out a control switch and can't force an AI in a planet made into a interstellar city to come out of it and come with him to another galaxy. Also flood can't bring the dead back to life but Gravemind did. I mean regret looked weaker then a human being and he punched in the face by a 1000 pound man four times and then his chair blew up sending what looked like electricity all around regret thus shocking him. Again enough to kill him and finally the building he was in was blown up by plasma and the roof was left to collapse on him before he was incenerated by the hottest material. Then a mintue later he's merged into one of graveminds tentecles and talking about the great journey. Now either Gravemind was playing mind tricks (flood can't do this either) or he brought the dead alive.


For one thing like he said if the Flood could teleport then why the need for dropships to get around Delta Halo? Duh they cant teleport thats why.

Secondly he did not get to the other side of the ring in seconds. There was a complete level there, plenty enough time for him to move, not to mention you have no idea how far he really moved.

Finally the Flood CAN bring the dead back to life, (sort of anyways) by taking control of them. Remember in the first Halo how captain Keyes was still alive even though he was consumed by the Flood. Also I have no idea what your talking about when you say he forced an AI to go with him into another galaxy. I'm assuming you mean Cortana, but they didnt go anywhere they were both at HC.

Also remember its just a game, not everything has to be as if it could really happen.

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Posted by: Guscon
...How did the Chief get on In Amber Clad without killing himself?


A pelicon picked him up and took him to it... Play Outskirts to see for yourself.

  • 05.31.2006 4:38 PM PDT

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...How did the Chief get on In Amber Clad without killing himself?


A pelicon picked him up and took him to it... Play Outskirts to see for yourself.


Wha? He landed on top of the ship... Got inside, geared up, and then went to a pelican. And besides, what's that have to do with anything? We're talking about the Gravemind.

I think the Gravemind somehow controlled Penatent Tangent to teleport them, or he's/it's figured out a way to use the systems all over Delta Halo.

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most ideas lead to one thing: he teleported SOMETHING (probly himself) so lets drop it at that, k? haha

  • 05.31.2006 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Guscon
its only his tentacles that are in High Charity isn't it? Thats all I've seen of him. Maybe they can withstand vacuum?


perhaps in a final cutscene you could see them trailing between halo and hc. is there a video showing that? if not then maybe you're right.

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In the last cutscene (after the credits) you can't actually see him but you can hear his voice, dis does not say much since you hear him ralking when he picks up the MC at the temple. I don't see tentacles going through space and what not all the way to the Council Chamber.

  • 06.02.2006 8:17 AM PDT

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