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Subject: Interesting idea for a new BR
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Okay, well we all know how the BR started off as a Single round shot in the beginning, then it was changed to a 3-round burst shot. I was thinking, how about making the game more balanced by placing the emphasis on the BR being a MID-RANGE weapon.

My suggestion is to make the BR a single round shot, when unscoped. Scoping in would therefore allow you to Burst shot, and have a better chance of hitting your target long rage, however they should also change the zoom range to around 5x. This way you wouldnt be able to use the zoom setting in an up-close hand-to-hand battle. This would then make the BR a definate mid-range weapon, while still allowing you to use it in close-quarters combat if skilled with grenades.

Increase the power of the BR to around 3 bursts per kill, and 3 single-round shots per kill also, and leave the Rate of fire alone... I'm particularly fond of the H1 pistol, however, games change and progress. So my goal is to keep the rough outline of the way the H1 pistol functions, but changing the way it is used will add a new element to the game... Balance is key, and making a perfect starting weapon is the best way to balance a game.

What do you guys think about this? Any comments? Suggestions?

Moderator Note: Please use this thread for Halo 3 weapon discussions.

[Edited on 6/1/2006 by dmbfan09]

  • 06.01.2006 12:43 AM PDT
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Whats wrong with the BR now i think bungie has done a good enough job with it but they need to make more spawns for them on the maps so in case in a game of 2v2 one team gets both BRs if they are good enough the other team will be ~blam~

  • 06.01.2006 12:58 AM PDT
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That makes less then no sense.

Unscoped should be burst shot, and scoped should be single shot.

Ever use a gun before? I'm guessing no.

  • 06.01.2006 1:03 AM PDT
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I think the BR should be replaced by the CR (combat rifle)
which is 4.f.t long and is bolt action with a .60 cal 7 round magazine.
It would fire single shot and can kill an elite in 3 shots and a brute in 4.
Each shot fired would take 1 second to reload meaning you have to staft dodge the enemys fire while chief c*cks the rifle.

  • 06.01.2006 1:28 AM PDT
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I understand that you are trying to propose a balanced battle rifle, as opposed to a real life one. It is a videogame, after all. The following is all my opinion.

The BR is a mid range weapon already. It works perfectly fine in it's role. It doesn't make any sense for the gun to burst when scoped, but only be semi-automatic when not scoped.

Changing the zoom on the scope would just make the weapon more effective at longer ranges, not make it less so at short ranges.

So, you think that the gun should do the same damage with 9 bullets or 3 bullets? How does that work? If you want tsk's, just put on increased damage. I think 4 is okay for people who can pull it off.

What I think is that they should just put the Halo 1 pistol in the game, even if it's only as an option in MP. If this is going to be the wrap, it should have EVERYTHING from all 3 games as options.

Grunt Buster, you want a sniper rifle that kills in 3 shots and holds 7 bullets? What's wrong with the sniper rifle now?

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  • 06.01.2006 1:46 AM PDT
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Grunt Buster wants a bigger clip for said sniper rifle.

I think that the BR as it is works about as well as a starting weapon can be expected to, even if my love for the Halo CE pistol knows no bounds. Available only as an option for multiplayer? What a waste! If this is the end of Halo then I want it in my beloved campaign as well. It's not like they stopped making the pistol while MC was on Delta Halo. One of my favorite parts of Halo CE's campagin is playing it for the 12 millionth time, but going through it with weapons I would have never though to keep the first 11.99999 million times. Give me every weapon they can reasonably cram into this game and then pepper them throughout the game. Even if they end up only have a one level cameo, and then of course you can have them amoung the billion and one options I want in Halo 3 MP

  • 06.01.2006 2:38 AM PDT
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Bigger clip, but 3 shot kills instead of 2. What's the point?

I would love for the pistol to be in the campaign, but if that's not meant to be, then so be it. There's always Halo:CE campaign for that, and you know as much as I do that we can play that forever. The staying power of Halo 3 will be in MP, and I want to be disgusted with the number of options.

  • 06.01.2006 2:43 AM PDT
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Good idea for the new BR. I hope it won't make the game though, sorry. As I see it the BR is a riffle designed for fights at long range. Keeping the Covenant at ranges where their plasma pistols and rifles are turning out to be inaccurate. And keep them at distances where they can not storm at you for a melee attack.

For long ranges the BR should in my opinion have a single shot to conserve ammunition. I really liked the BR in H2 but it wasn't a mainstay weapon because I always ran out of ammo for it. 1 shot at scope should cure that somewhat (single miss will cause 1 wasted bullet instead of 3) The zoom should be kept what it is now, no sence in making it a sniper riffle, we already have one of those.

For short range (unscoped range) the riffle should go to 3 shot burst. When I see an onstorming Elite I don't want my concentration to go at pulling that trigger time and time again, each time for a single bullet. I want that extra concentration to be used for something else, running away if I have to.

Thanks for reading

  • 06.01.2006 2:51 AM PDT

Games change and adapt you say? Then why should we have a battle rifle in Halo3? Let's have something new.

  • 06.01.2006 2:54 AM PDT
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I'm all for tweaking the BR with the single shot, or with a larger clip or whatever Bungie thinks will make it better.

I'm all for them replacing it entirely with the halo 1 pistol.

I am not in favor of them turning it into a second human sniper rifle.

I think they should keep the look and give it halo 1 pistol game mechanics, no need for burst.

  • 06.01.2006 2:57 AM PDT
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The Battle rifle is fine, no changing/replacing needed but if there is a change ill get over it

eventually

  • 06.01.2006 3:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Ch3miCal
The Battle rifle is fine, no changing/replacing needed


WRONG!!!

This is Halo 3, sorry to disappoint you. The likelihood is that it won't be exactly the same as Halo 2. Imagine that!!! If the weapons don't change it'll be damn lame - do we want Halo 3 or Halo 2.1? Looking at your sig you're clearly happy they changed a lot for Halo 2. So you should be happy with them changing plenty for Halo 3. Don't you agree?

  • 06.01.2006 3:16 AM PDT
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If it ain't broke...

Add stuff, but don't take away.

  • 06.01.2006 3:20 AM PDT
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Hey, could I get Halo 1.1? You know the original game we all loved... except for apparently Chemical... but with XBL accessibility?



Wait... I do want halo 2.1, so long as it has the Halo 1 pistol.

Oh wait... we're supposed to be talking about halo 3. Could we get a halo game that combines all the things we love about halo 1 and 2 with none of the things we hate? Oh and change the we's in that sentence to I's.

  • 06.01.2006 3:21 AM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

I liked the way bungie had the battle rifle working at e3 back in 04, but for some reason or another, it sucked. : ( I was really surprised to find out that a rifle didn't support single shot fire in 2552.

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  • 06.01.2006 3:40 AM PDT
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Make the BR stronger? It's already too strong.

  • 06.01.2006 3:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: a man in a suit
u guys know its just the ar w/ a scope

What is?

  • 06.01.2006 3:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: a man in a suit
u guys know its just the ar w/ a scope


You mean the gun from the trailer? Because that looks exactly like the Halo 1 AR, except it's significantly smaller and graphically more accurate.

  • 06.01.2006 3:52 AM PDT