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Subject: Why Halo Reach is a better developed game than CoD MW3
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Posted by: SOUL_EDGE989


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  • 04.24.2012 9:38 AM PDT

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  • 04.24.2012 10:50 AM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S

Posted by: SOUL_EDGE989
to make things clear, i am not saying that halo reach is a better or more fun game to play than mw3 for those reasons, im talking about it being better developed, meaning, graphics, special effects, and details.

im not talking about whether or not the game is better (to play), just why it was developed better. developed meaning what they have put in the game, not how they made the game play. (EXCEPT the separation of the opposing spawn zones). Sure the CoD game has a more realistic modern day gameplay to it, but thats not what im focused on, i am focused on what the details of the game are.

For a better comparison, CoD MW3 has a better development to it than Black ops, because in black ops the special effects and details were sub-par compared to MW3. im not saying i like playing mw3 better than BO, im just saying that the detail work and special effects that were developed in the game are better.

To me (my opinion) is that a games quality is based on how it is developed not just on what the game play is like.



I think I speak for everyone when I say.


Shutup.

A games quality coincides with how it plays.

Dumbass.

Ugly game that runs great = GREAT GAME
Beautiful game that runs like -blam!- = -blam!- GAME!
Ugly game that runs like -blam!- but has a great story = -blam!- GAME!
Beautiful game, good controls, bad story = GREAT GAME!

Story and graphics are overrated.


You know why Halo was so succesful?
Because of how it CONTROLS! They have MS to thank for part of that success for creating that controller with the offset thumbsticks.

Don't beleive me? Compare what it was like to play an FPS on consoles before Halo came along.

IT was clunky as -blam!-. Most of em were still using that legacy control scheme where you have 1 thumbstick that moves forward and back and turns.... Because the N64 only had 1 thumbstick. And I don't think or remember the PS1 ever having any kind of FPS on it worth playing. Back in that day is was all about FF7 and Twisted Metal.

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Let me give you an example of what I mean when I say CONTROLS! is what makes a great game.

Look at Halo Wars. You know why Halo wars sucked? Because the controls sucked.

No matter what you did, the selection indicator (that little dot in the middle of the screen) always stayed right in the center of the screen. You used 1 thumbstick to scan the battlefield and select units.

Now imagine if they had given you these options instead.

1 thumbstick controls panning the battlefield
the other thumbstick controls the selection cursor.

That one little difference, would have made ALL THE DIFFERENCE!

And it's funny that to this day most RTS's that are developed for consoles keep making this same mistake. Which is why RTS's still havn't gotten a foothold in the console market.


So...screw your special effects.


story doesnt matter? then what about half-life 2 or portals 1/2? i bought portal 2 for its story because the first one was so great. I think story does matter for a video game but it is hard to find a game that has a fantastic and engaging campaign such as half-life 2 or portal.

  • 04.24.2012 10:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Bungie fan no7
Nice wall of opinions. Now where is the facts located?


Facts? In CoD your acuracy is beyond human, you can get killed by cute puppies though you're wearing bulletproof armor, you can get shot in the head twice but will die from being spammed in the legs,(your legs are also your heart apparently)spawn killing is the norm, the game is ONLY about shooting, the graphics are pathetic compared to Battlefield 3, there's more 5 year olds playing it then there is at a dare care, the game promotes spamming and it somehow is the best selling game franchise to date.

  • 04.24.2012 3:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Handcannon
How is this up for debate?


Agreed.

This is someone airing out their opinions, without any facts as a foundation and is, therefore, ridiculous to argue against. No matter how loudly you scream at an enraged tiger, he won't stop eating your leg even if you try to convince him your arm would taste better.

Don't think too hard on that, I certainly didn't.

  • 04.24.2012 3:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dattebayo

Posted by: Handcannon
How is this up for debate?


Agreed.

This is someone airing out their opinions, without any facts as a foundation and is, therefore, ridiculous to argue against. No matter how loudly you scream at an enraged tiger, he won't stop eating your leg even if you try to convince him your arm would taste better.

Don't think too hard on that, I certainly didn't.
i was actually thinking on how long it took you to think that up, 10 minutes maybe more

  • 04.24.2012 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bungie fan no7
Nice wall of opinions. Now where is the facts located?

It is clearly obvious that you cannot read properly.

  • 04.24.2012 7:40 PM PDT


Posted by: SOUL_EDGE989
i was actually thinking on how long it took you to think that up, 10 minutes maybe more


Not really, about thirty seconds.

I'm a writer, weird turns of phrases like that come naturally. They don't always make sense though.

  • 04.25.2012 4:35 AM PDT

I think Reach is better made than MW3, but i play MW3 more for the fact that reach is dead and at normal times has a 20-40k population and is too slow paced for how i play. Yes MW3 has a lot of flaws but i am the type of player that can simply forget they are ther and not notice them.

  • 04.25.2012 8:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dattebayo

Posted by: SOUL_EDGE989
i was actually thinking on how long it took you to think that up, 10 minutes maybe more


Not really, about thirty seconds.

I'm a writer, weird turns of phrases like that come naturally. They don't always make sense though.
cool, wait...what if you thought of something in 60 seconds, you could have written an entire speech, lolz kidding.


Back on topic

anyways, if you were to divide the halo reach game play and CoD mw3 game play up into 2 sections, this is what they would be, Multiplayer,and Story/Campaign.

Now if i were to ask which you liked better,

Halo Reach Multiplayer or CoD MW3 Multiplayer

and

Halo Reach Story/Campaign or CoD MW3 Story/Campaign

Now once you have done that, i ask you what do you think made that Multiplayer and/or Story/Campaign better, and do not say just because of the title, was the story in depth, is the Multiplayer more intricate. Well if you feel that way then that is because the developers developed the game that way, making the necessary modifications and details that made the game what it is. Yes good game play is very important, but the basis of a game is not just the story, or the gameplay, but the way the story and game play were made.

[Edited on 04.25.2012 8:11 AM PDT]

  • 04.25.2012 8:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dark Rush z28

Posted by: Bungie fan no7
Nice wall of opinions. Now where is the facts located?


Facts? In CoD your acuracy is beyond human, you can get killed by cute puppies though you're wearing bulletproof armor, you can get shot in the head twice but will die from being spammed in the legs,(your legs are also your heart apparently)spawn killing is the norm, the game is ONLY about shooting, the graphics are pathetic compared to Battlefield 3, there's more 5 year olds playing it then there is at a dare care, the game promotes spamming and it somehow is the best selling game franchise to date.
so true

  • 04.26.2012 10:17 AM PDT

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ive got a question to those who disagree, if the details/special effects, are not what make a game great, and you say gameplay is what makes a game great, then what is the point of the advertisements and comments on games from respected reviewers for, what do they usually say, amazing graphics, the audio and dialogue and the atmosphere made the game come alive. So are they wrong then? are all the reviewers who congratulate the developers for graphics, audio, details, atmosphere..etc just idiots who do not know what makes a game great

  • 04.28.2012 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: General Dripik
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Of course better audio and graphics is good, but it doesn't make or break the game.


Posted by: SOUL_EDGE989
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ive got a question to those who disagree, if the details/special effects, are not what make a game great, and you say gameplay is what makes a game great, then what is the point of the advertisements and comments on games from respected reviewers for, what do they usually say, amazing graphics, the audio and dialogue and the atmosphere made the game come alive. So are they wrong then? are all the reviewers who congratulate the developers for graphics, audio, details, atmosphere..etc just idiots who do not know what makes a game great

  • 04.28.2012 4:42 PM PDT

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