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Posted by: RhythmKiller
It's an egg made of chocolate.

sometimes it has a cream filling or little candies inside

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
It's an egg made of chocolate.

sometimes it has a cream filling or little candies inside


I know someone who can eat like 13 of those with ease. Whoa!

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The Sarge dying wasn't just an Easter Egg. If I recall in Halo 2 someone asks the Sarge how he got off of the Halo and the Sarge mysteriously replies something like "You don't want to know."...implying that the Sarge is a clone.

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Posted by: Caer Bannog
The Sarge dying wasn't just an Easter Egg. If I recall in Halo 2 someone asks the Sarge how he got off of the Halo and the Sarge mysteriously replies something like "You don't want to know."...implying that the Sarge is a clone.

Again you are wrong. He says it is classified as was the whole Halo mission. Why you ask?
1. I dont think ppl on earth would take to kindly to knowing that there are machines in the galaxy capable of killing everything in the blink of an eye.

2. In the Fall of Reach book it explains that the Pillar of Autumn was on a highly classified mission to capture one of the covenant's religious leaders (i.e. prophets).

3. It's all explained in First Strike anyway. Stop being addicted to your computer and go read a book!

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Posted by: Caer Bannog
The Sarge dying wasn't just an Easter Egg. If I recall in Halo 2 someone asks the Sarge how he got off of the Halo and the Sarge mysteriously replies something like "You don't want to know."...implying that the Sarge is a clone.

Again you are wrong. He says it is classified as was the whole Halo mission. Why you ask?
1. I dont think ppl on earth would take to kindly to knowing that there are machines in the galaxy capable of killing everything in the blink of an eye.

2. In the Fall of Reach book it explains that the Pillar of Autumn was on a highly classified mission to capture one of the covenant's religious leaders (i.e. prophets).

3. It's all explained in First Strike anyway. Stop being addicted to your computer and go read a book!


No thanks, I don't read books that are based on video games. Seems like a waste of time, especially considering the glaring plot holes such as me seeing the Sarge die and then he's back living.

  • 06.01.2006 9:53 AM PDT

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Well Bannog the plotholes are explained in the books so perhaps you should actually consume all the information available on the subject before you start saying things about it that have obviously been proven wrong by somebody who knows what they are talking about.

I'm a professional science-fiction writer myself, and am presently working on an epic science-fiction novel. Halo is what is called a "pulp" story. No, this isn't the pasty stuff in orange juice or the Quentin Tarantino film. It's a story that is meant to be enjoyed without a lot of thought behind it. But the great thing about Halo is you have your typical human vs alien battle on the surface that a shallow person who just wants a couple hours of fun can get into. But when you delve further into the book, you find lore, mystery, suspense and a lot of subplots and subtext that you wouldn't necessarily find in a standard pulp story.

For those who are too inept to read the three books that were written in conjunction with Halo, Johnson and some others survived in a Pelican they used before Halo blew up. The ending on Legendary is nothing more than an easter egg. It's not apart of the actual story, but something that's just funny for somebody to watch and could be incentive for somebody to beat the game on legendary for the hell of it.

Halo is similar to a space opera, kind of like Star Wars is. Sure, the characters aren't as rememberable, but you should get my point. People were bashing the idea of Star Wars before it came out. They said there was no story and it was nothing more than fancy effects and big explosions. Well the same can be said about Halo if you want to look at it from that perspective.

But look at it from another perspective for a second. It's a story of survival and primal instincts on the very bare bones of the story. Even with all of humanity's advanced technologies, we became too greedy and wanted more, just like we always do. We became too many and had to spread throughout the galaxy. And when we did, we ran into the Covenant. If you notice, all of the characters have their flaws throughout the story. And both factions have their rights and their wrongs. That's why they have you play through some of the game as the Arbiter.

The Covenant are blinded by their fanatical religion and believe that the Halos are the key to the great journey. But the thing with the Civil War shows that not all of the Covenant believe in the Great Journey. The Heretics knew of the lies that the Prophets spewed, but supressed by the Arbiter. The Arbiter's flaw is he is too prideful. He would do anything for the Prophets to get his honor back that they took from him when he was disgraced.

The Chief has flaws in which he never questions his orders or his purpose. And something that I've heard people touched on is whether he's actually human or not. Yes, he is a human through and through. But whether his mentality is human. In the books he thinks about it some. He kills all the time, and is good at it. He never thinks twice about doing what he has to do. Has he become too calice to the world and the conflict?

Sergeant Johnson is a typical pulp character stuck in there for comedy relief. He's good friends with the Chief and that helps to anchor Chief's humanity in a sense. But Johnson's main purpose is comedy relief. Most movies or stories have them at some

Cortana is the female touch and semi-love interest in the story. The thing that a lot of people have been debating is whether Chief loves Cortana or just sees her as a good friend.

And then you have the lore about the rings and the mystery of them and the Forerunners. Then you also have the ramblings of Guilty Spark who talked about Reclaimers and the Flood. Where did the Flood come from? What is Gravemind? What are the Reclaimers? There are a lot of questions that are being answered and resolved slowly throughout the story. And that's something you don't necessarily have in a flat story like the main poster is describing.

I think Halo is more than your typical science-fiction story that a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. But then again, you're going to have your people who are going to bash it just by looking at the surface. There's not much you can do about that.

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Posted by: Master Fox
Well Bannog the plotholes are explained in the books so perhaps you should actually consume all the information available on the subject before you start saying things about it that have obviously been proven wrong by somebody who knows what they are talking about.

I'm a professional science-fiction writer myself, and am presently working on an epic science-fiction novel. Halo is what is called a "pulp" story. No, this isn't the pasty stuff in orange juice or the Quentin Tarantino film. It's a story that is meant to be enjoyed without a lot of thought behind it. But the great thing about Halo is you have your typical human vs alien battle on the surface that a shallow person who just wants a couple hours of fun can get into. But when you delve further into the book, you find lore, mystery, suspense and a lot of subplots and subtext that you wouldn't necessarily find in a standard pulp story.

For those who are too inept to read the three books that were written in conjunction with Halo, Johnson and some others survived in a Pelican they used before Halo blew up. The ending on Legendary is nothing more than an easter egg. It's not apart of the actual story, but something that's just funny for somebody to watch and could be incentive for somebody to beat the game on legendary for the hell of it.

Halo is similar to a space opera, kind of like Star Wars is. Sure, the characters aren't as rememberable, but you should get my point. People were bashing the idea of Star Wars before it came out. They said there was no story and it was nothing more than fancy effects and big explosions. Well the same can be said about Halo if you want to look at it from that perspective.

But look at it from another perspective for a second. It's a story of survival and primal instincts on the very bare bones of the story. Even with all of humanity's advanced technologies, we became too greedy and wanted more, just like we always do. We became too many and had to spread throughout the galaxy. And when we did, we ran into the Covenant. If you notice, all of the characters have their flaws throughout the story. And both factions have their rights and their wrongs. That's why they have you play through some of the game as the Arbiter.

The Covenant are blinded by their fanatical religion and believe that the Halos are the key to the great journey. But the thing with the Civil War shows that not all of the Covenant believe in the Great Journey. The Heretics knew of the lies that the Prophets spewed, but supressed by the Arbiter. The Arbiter's flaw is he is too prideful. He would do anything for the Prophets to get his honor back that they took from him when he was disgraced.

The Chief has flaws in which he never questions his orders or his purpose. And something that I've heard people touched on is whether he's actually human or not. Yes, he is a human through and through. But whether his mentality is human. In the books he thinks about it some. He kills all the time, and is good at it. He never thinks twice about doing what he has to do. Has he become too calice to the world and the conflict?

Sergeant Johnson is a typical pulp character stuck in there for comedy relief. He's good friends with the Chief and that helps to anchor Chief's humanity in a sense. But Johnson's main purpose is comedy relief. Most movies or stories have them at some

Cortana is the female touch and semi-love interest in the story. The thing that a lot of people have been debating is whether Chief loves Cortana or just sees her as a good friend.

And then you have the lore about the rings and the mystery of them and the Forerunners. Then you also have the ramblings of Guilty Spark who talked about Reclaimers and the Flood. Where did the Flood come from? What is Gravemind? What are the Reclaimers? There are a lot of questions that are being answered and resolved slowly throughout the story. And that's something you don't necessarily have in a flat story like the main poster is describing.

I think Halo is more than your typical science-fiction story that a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. But then again, you're going to have your people who are going to bash it just by looking at the surface. There's not much you can do about that.


Whatever, I saw the Sarge die.

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And that my friends is someone being left speechless after being shown the are completly wrong.

By the way, very interesting post Master Fox.

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I don't even follow the storyline, thats how much I think of single player in this game.

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And that my friends is someone being left speechless after being shown the are completly wrong.

By the way, very interesting post Master Fox.


Um, no, that was one person trying to ignore the simple fact that the Sarge died with a bunch of meaningless words.

Sorry, a 25,000 word essay titled "Why I think the Sun revolves around the Earth" doesn't make the fact that the earth revolves around the sun untrue.

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Posted by: Master Fox
Well Bannog the plotholes are explained in the books ...


The vast majority of Halo players will not read the books. Therefore, the in-game story and dialog must stand on their own.

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I'm not a big video game player, in other words not nerdy/geeky. All I can say is that i think the in-game dialog is fine, they sound just like soldiers should. The story is fine, it has me asking some questions about the plot and characters and has me wondor what's gonna happen next in Halo 3, anything can happen. Rarely do you see the good guys die. N e way to the guy saying he saw Johnson die two things about that.

1. In the cutscene in Halo 1 where we meet the flood, you only see him get attacked, not die.
2. All those other Sgt.'s you see are just there to vary the characters up so it doesn't get boring.
That's just my opinion, cept for the Johnson facts.

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I was simply trying to use logic. And I forgot that on these boards logic is as alien as a bath is to a pig.

What you saw at the end of the legendary campaign as an alternate ending. They are predominate in many games and movies. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Sarge died. You openly admitted you don't read the books. So therefore your opinion and observations are null and void and are chalked up as the ramblings of another kid on Bungie.net forums who has not attained the full information on a given topic. Join the club of hundreds of other B.net users.

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Posted by: Master Fox
I was simply trying to use logic. And I forgot that on these boards logic is as alien as a bath is to a pig.

What you saw at the end of the legendary campaign as an alternate ending. They are predominate in many games and movies. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Sarge died. You openly admitted you don't read the books. So therefore your opinion and observations are null and void and are chalked up as the ramblings of another kid on Bungie.net forums who has not attained the full information on a given topic. Join the club of hundreds of other B.net users.


My question to you, then is this...why do you think the video game, which is the original source, is in error on the Sarge being dead and that the books aren't the alternative?

After all, the original is usually what one refers to and the supplements are usually superseded by that original source.

And please refrain from the insults...just because you have low self esteem and seek to justify your existence by exaggerating your reading and writing of fan fiction skills doesn't mean that you should put down others.


[Edited on 6/1/2006]

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I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example.

What's the most troublesome element to you? I think it's the crap that Sarge Johnson got killed Halo 1, but because it's so poorly concieved and written, he's back in Halo 2 as a more supporting character. What's more is the way the books try to put a towel over their glaringly obvious mistake, as if that's all it takes to cover up a of a move.

Gotta disagree with you. The book First Strike came out almost a whole YEAR before Halo 2. I would say it's not a cover up, more of a explination of what is to come. The books aren't intended as fillers for missing sections of the story, they are intended to be taken in as parts of the story. The sargent had to some how make a come back. He's almost as badass as the Chief. And anyways, he's crucial to the plot. If you think the Legendary ending had any truth to it, it didn't, it was just for fun. I mean, you can't seriously take that ending seriously when the Elite grabbed Sarge's butt!!!

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Posted by: Master Fox
I was simply trying to use logic. And I forgot that on these boards logic is as alien as a bath is to a pig.

What you saw at the end of the legendary campaign as an alternate ending. They are predominate in many games and movies. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Sarge died. You openly admitted you don't read the books. So therefore your opinion and observations are null and void and are chalked up as the ramblings of another kid on Bungie.net forums who has not attained the full information on a given topic. Join the club of hundreds of other B.net users.


My question to you, then is this...why do you think the video game, which is the original source, is in error on the Sarge being dead and that the books aren't the alternative?

After all, the original is usually what one refers to and the supplements are usually superseded by that original source.

And please refrain from the insults...just because you have low self esteem and seek to justify your existence by exaggerating your reading and writing of fan fiction skills doesn't mean that you should put down others.


Well if you play through the regular campaign, Cortana says there are no survivors out there when she does the scan. Then the story cuts off right there. That doesn't mean there weren't survivors out there. That just means that they didn't find them at the time.

If you would like, you can PM Frankie or any of the Bungie staff and ask for clarification. They will all tell you that the Sarge's death was merely an easter egg and incentive for people to play through the Legendary campaign mode. Honestly, do you think that Bungie would make that big of an error? If you do, then you're an idiot.

And you're saying I'm exagerrating my "skills?" If you would like, I can send you different stories that I have written. I don't have anything to hide. I only stating you completely ignored everything I posted and probably didn't even read it. You simply said "whatever, I know Sarge died." I do believe you're the one with low self esteem. I was simply trying to educate some people on here.

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Posted by: Caer Bannog
My question to you, then is this...why do you think the video game, which is the original source, is in error on the Sarge being dead and that the books aren't the alternative?

After all, the original is usually what one refers to and the supplements are usually superseded by that original source.

Now this has been stated by Bungie. The Lengendary ending is just for fun and not part of the story. The true story is what takes place on the normal setting.

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I was simply trying to use logic. And I forgot that on these boards logic is as alien as a bath is to a pig.

What you saw at the end of the legendary campaign as an alternate ending. They are predominate in many games and movies. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Sarge died. You openly admitted you don't read the books. So therefore your opinion and observations are null and void and are chalked up as the ramblings of another kid on Bungie.net forums who has not attained the full information on a given topic. Join the club of hundreds of other B.net users.


My question to you, then is this...why do you think the video game, which is the original source, is in error on the Sarge being dead and that the books aren't the alternative?

After all, the original is usually what one refers to and the supplements are usually superseded by that original source.

And please refrain from the insults...just because you have low self esteem and seek to justify your existence by exaggerating your reading and writing of fan fiction skills doesn't mean that you should put down others.


Well if you play through the regular campaign, Cortana says there are no survivors out there when she does the scan. Then the story cuts off right there. That doesn't mean there weren't survivors out there. That just means that they didn't find them at the time.

If you would like, you can PM Frankie or any of the Bungie staff and ask for clarification. They will all tell you that the Sarge's death was merely an easter egg and incentive for people to play through the Legendary campaign mode. Honestly, do you think that Bungie would make that big of an error? If you do, then you're an idiot.

And you're saying I'm exagerrating my "skills?" If you would like, I can send you different stories that I have written. I don't have anything to hide. I only stating you completely ignored everything I posted and probably didn't even read it. You simply said "whatever, I know Sarge died." I do believe you're the one with low self esteem. I was simply trying to educate some people on here.


I don't have a problem with my point of view of the Sarge dying, so I will not be sending PM's to anyone. And everyone is capable of an error, that includes Bungie and you, believe it or not.

I saw the Sarge die. Cortana said there were no survivors. So obviously the Sarge is a clone. A clone who retained all of Sarge's memories...and the clone Sarge remembered his last memory of fighting on Halo with that Elite and that one last warm embrace before obliteration that was prophetic in many ways since the Elites and the Humans joined forces at the end of Halo 2.

In fact, it was the Sarge who initiated this alliance...he knew better than anyone that peaceful coexistance and cooperation between the Covies and Humans was possible because of that hug.

And all this is from the video games, not some useless fan fiction written by authors I've never heard of before.

And don't bother sending your own works, Fox...I already have enough toilet paper here.

Also, please notice that I can make an arguement without resorting to name calling. Maybe if you have more conversations with adults you will pick up this skill.

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Posted by: Master Fox
Posted by: Caer Bannog
Posted by: Master Fox
I was simply trying to use logic. And I forgot that on these boards logic is as alien as a bath is to a pig.

What you saw at the end of the legendary campaign as an alternate ending. They are predominate in many games and movies. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Sarge died. You openly admitted you don't read the books. So therefore your opinion and observations are null and void and are chalked up as the ramblings of another kid on Bungie.net forums who has not attained the full information on a given topic. Join the club of hundreds of other B.net users.


My question to you, then is this...why do you think the video game, which is the original source, is in error on the Sarge being dead and that the books aren't the alternative?

After all, the original is usually what one refers to and the supplements are usually superseded by that original source.

And please refrain from the insults...just because you have low self esteem and seek to justify your existence by exaggerating your reading and writing of fan fiction skills doesn't mean that you should put down others.


Well if you play through the regular campaign, Cortana says there are no survivors out there when she does the scan. Then the story cuts off right there. That doesn't mean there weren't survivors out there. That just means that they didn't find them at the time.

If you would like, you can PM Frankie or any of the Bungie staff and ask for clarification. They will all tell you that the Sarge's death was merely an easter egg and incentive for people to play through the Legendary campaign mode. Honestly, do you think that Bungie would make that big of an error? If you do, then you're an idiot.

And you're saying I'm exagerrating my "skills?" If you would like, I can send you different stories that I have written. I don't have anything to hide. I only stating you completely ignored everything I posted and probably didn't even read it. You simply said "whatever, I know Sarge died." I do believe you're the one with low self esteem. I was simply trying to educate some people on here.


I don't have a problem with my point of view of the Sarge dying, so I will not be sending PM's to anyone. And everyone is capable of an error, that includes Bungie and you, believe it or not.

I saw the Sarge die. Cortana said there were no survivors. So obviously the Sarge is a clone. A clone who retained all of Sarge's memories...and the clone Sarge remembered his last memory of fighting on Halo with that Elite and that one last warm embrace before obliteration that was prophetic in many ways since the Elites and the Humans joined forces at the end of Halo 2.

In fact, it was the Sarge who initiated this alliance...he knew better than anyone that peaceful coexistance and cooperation between the Covies and Humans was possible because of that hug.

And all this is from the video games, not some useless fan fiction written by authors I've never heard of before.

And don't bother sending your own works, Fox...I already have enough toilet paper here.

Also, please notice that I can make an arguement without resorting to name calling. Maybe it you should have more conversations with adults you will pick up this skill.

Yeah, I'll be sure to take a lot of different skills from you such as:

Ignoring the truth even when I've been proven wrong.
Acting immature and telling people I'm always right and they're always wrong.

Is that enough or should I add a couple more to that list?

How can you honestly say Bungie is wrong about their own creation? That's like telling James Cameron that the T-101 didn't die at the end of Terminator 2: Judgment Day. They created the game. They've had all three stories planned out since the they started working on this for Microsoft. Do you honestly think they would screw up that big?

And where did you pull this "clone" theory from? Out of your ass? Must be where all that toilet paper is at that you talk about.

Do this entire forum a favor, don't bother typing anything until you have something to back it up or have the open mind to accept when you've been proven wrong. You say I'm exagerrating everything but you refuse to accept my proof. Sounds like the ramblings of a little kid. Is school out yet?

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hi, dus ne won no wut teh cortian cmpouter lyde is talkin baout in teh moovie for teh halo3? loll. I dun undrestan.

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Posted by: Caer Bannog
The Sarge dying wasn't just an Easter Egg. If I recall in Halo 2 someone asks the Sarge how he got off of the Halo and the Sarge mysteriously replies something like "You don't want to know."...implying that the Sarge is a clone.


Again you are wrong. He says it is classified as was the whole Halo mission. Why you ask?


You mean the Halo that they stumbled upon while trying to get away from the Covenant? If you call falling down and finding a lump of gold a 'mission', then yes, they were on the Halo mission.

If youre going to back up your argument with geek, at least get your geek right.

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loll. i wuld liek two fnd a peace of gold in teh halo3. loll.

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