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Subject: Halo Story arc - just not that good.
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Posted by: Master Fox
Yeah, I'll be sure to take a lot of different skills from you such as:

Ignoring the truth even when I've been proven wrong.
Acting immature and telling people I'm always right and they're always wrong.

Is that enough or should I add a couple more to that list?

How can you honestly say Bungie is wrong about their own creation? That's like telling James Cameron that the T-101 didn't die at the end of Terminator 2: Judgment Day. They created the game. They've had all three stories planned out since the they started working on this for Microsoft. Do you honestly think they would screw up that big?

And where did you pull this "clone" theory from? Out of your ass? Must be where all that toilet paper is at that you talk about.

Do this entire forum a favor, don't bother typing anything until you have something to back it up or have the open mind to accept when you've been proven wrong. You say I'm exagerrating everything but you refuse to accept my proof. Sounds like the ramblings of a little kid. Is school out yet?


Oh, I see, I make a good and valid argument so you ignore my valid points and move on to further character assassination.

Aren't you being hypocritical telling me I'm wrong and acting like you're always right then criticizing me for believing I'm right? Please note I didn't tell anyone that I was right, I just said there were contradictions in the story and attempted to supply a good story as to clear up these nasty contradictions, just like the writers of the Halo books attempted to do (rather poorly).

Also, I never said Bungie was incorrect. I said that the writers of the books are in error.

As for you telling me what to do, it just further proves that my suspicion that you suffer from low self esteem and your only release for it is to insult and order about others, acting as if you are more important than you actually are. Well, I don't take orders from people who suffer from low self esteem because they make poor leaders and make bad decisions and write bad fan fiction.

  • 06.01.2006 12:17 PM PDT
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I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example.

I don't have a problem with my point of view of the Sarge dying, so I will not be sending PM's to anyone. And everyone is capable of an error, that includes Bungie and you, believe it or not.

I saw the Sarge die. Cortana said there were no survivors. So obviously the Sarge is a clone. A clone who retained all of Sarge's memories...and the clone Sarge remembered his last memory of fighting on Halo with that Elite and that one last warm embrace before obliteration that was prophetic in many ways since the Elites and the Humans joined forces at the end of Halo 2.

In fact, it was the Sarge who initiated this alliance...he knew better than anyone that peaceful coexistance and cooperation between the Covies and Humans was possible because of that hug.

And all this is from the video games, not some useless fan fiction written by authors I've never heard of before.

And don't bother sending your own works, Fox...I already have enough toilet paper here.

Also, please notice that I can make an arguement without resorting to name calling. Maybe if you have more conversations with s you will pick up this skill.


Read the -BLAM!- books! They explain why Sarge didn't get attacked by the flood, and how he escaped. The books are the ultimate resource when it comes to things like this, because they are more indepth. _-MINI SPOILER-_ They explain that the Sarge got some sort of Syndrome (don't remember the name exactly) from over exposure to a crate of plasma grenades, which the Flood din't seem to like. Also, he made it out with a few others on a lone pelican hidden on an asteroid which seemed to emit an echo that Cortana first assumed was a moon's echo. As it became louder, however, proved that it was not merely a moon, and it was an object. -_MINI SPOILER END-_

So, ya, read the books.

And, BTW, the writers of the books actually consulted Bungie for the story. These stories are not in error.

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  • 06.01.2006 12:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big Ed 116
Wiltron, your contradictory statements make me laugh. You say you hate Sgt. Johnson's rants. They're meant to be funny! Sheeh.


Hello there, Ed! Same problem, different word: contradictory. "I do not think it means what you think it means".

  • 06.01.2006 12:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: dmoore992
I don't have a problem with my point of view of the Sarge dying, so I will not be sending PM's to anyone. And everyone is capable of an error, that includes Bungie and you, believe it or not.

I saw the Sarge die. Cortana said there were no survivors. So obviously the Sarge is a clone. A clone who retained all of Sarge's memories...and the clone Sarge remembered his last memory of fighting on Halo with that Elite and that one last warm embrace before obliteration that was prophetic in many ways since the Elites and the Humans joined forces at the end of Halo 2.

In fact, it was the Sarge who initiated this alliance...he knew better than anyone that peaceful coexistance and cooperation between the Covies and Humans was possible because of that hug.

And all this is from the video games, not some useless fan fiction written by authors I've never heard of before.

And don't bother sending your own works, Fox...I already have enough toilet paper here.

Also, please notice that I can make an arguement without resorting to name calling. Maybe if you have more conversations with s you will pick up this skill.


Read the -BLAM!- books! They explain why Sarge didn't get attacked by the flood, and how he escaped. The books are the ultimate resource when it comes to things like this, because they are more indepth. _-MINI SPOILER-_ They explain that the Sarge got some sort of Syndrome (don't remember the name exactly) from over exposure to a crate of plasma grenades, which the Flood din't seem to like. Also, he made it out with a few others on a lone pelican hidden on an asteroid which seemed to emit an echo that Cortana first assumed was a moon's echo. As it became louder, however, proved that it was not merely a moon, and it was an object. -_MINI SPOILER END-_

So, ya, read the books.

And, BTW, the writers of the books actually consulted Bungie for the story. These stories are not in error.


i dun liek bouks, btu i wll reed teh halo comix bouk wenh its oute. loll.

  • 06.01.2006 12:26 PM PDT
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Sorry, to me, reading the Halo books and saying that they supercede the original source (the video games) is a little too much like reading the Book of Mormon instead of the original source, the Bible.

Of course there will be contradictions...the original writers didn't write the books and the supplemental writers are injecting their own agenda and ideas into the mythology.

I don't mean to go into religion, but that's the closest analogy I can think of.

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Posted by: Caer Bannog
Sorry, to me, reading the books and saying that they supercede the original source (the video games) is a little too much like reading the Book of Mormon instead of the original document, the Bible.

Of course there will be contradictions...the original writers didn't write the books.

I don't mean to go into religion, but that's the closest analogy I can think of.


loll. i liek teh moronms cuz tehy has liek milliun wifes. loll. cna I hve meny wifes in teh halo3?

  • 06.01.2006 12:30 PM PDT

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loll. i liek teh moronms cuz tehy has liek milliun wifes. loll. cna I hve meny wifes in teh halo3?


I love this guy. loll.

  • 06.01.2006 12:33 PM PDT
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Arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics; no matter who wins, you're both retarded.

  • 06.01.2006 12:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Raptor040
Arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics; no matter who wins, you're both retarded.


I'm not arguing, I'm simply stating my opinions which other people attempt to oppress because they hate free speech and thought.

  • 06.01.2006 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Raptor040
Arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics; no matter who wins, you're both retarded.


Did you make that up?! You should go into standup, dude. loll.

  • 06.01.2006 12:41 PM PDT
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master chief is a elite human hybrid...

  • 06.01.2006 12:52 PM PDT
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  • 06.01.2006 12:56 PM PDT

Hail to the Victors! Reppin' that MAIZE n BLUE!!!
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Chill bro. Gotta get my bowl.

Posted by: Caer Bannog
Bringing back the Sarge was the worst thing in a story since Dallas brought back Bobby.


The Sarge never died. That cutscene was just a little extra for beating the game on Legendary, big woopdy doo!

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Posted by: Caer Bannog
Sorry, to me, reading the Halo books and saying that they supercede the original source (the video games) is a little too much like reading the Book of Mormon instead of the original source, the Bible.

Of course there will be contradictions...the original writers didn't write the books and the supplemental writers are injecting their own agenda and ideas into the mythology.

I don't mean to go into religion, but that's the closest analogy I can think of.



First off, Bringing Religion into the forums is an automatic blacklisting. Second of all I'm Mormon and seeing as you obviously haven't read the Book of Mormon and don't even know what it's about i suggest you shut up and obey forum rules so you don't offend anyone else with your stupidity.

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i beleive halo one and two were made merely to act as support colums for halo 3. i may be wrong, but its what i beleive

  • 06.01.2006 1:02 PM PDT

Down, down to hell and say that I sent you there...

I came into the world with my legs forward and a woman cried "he was born with teeth!"

"I had no father I am like my father...I had no brother I am like my brother...And this word, "love" which old farts call divine be resident in men like you -blam!-. But not in me, I am my mother-blam!- self, alone."

You Are an Idiot

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Posted by: Raptor040
Arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics; no matter who wins, you're both retarded.


I'm not arguing, I'm simply stating my opinions which other people attempt to oppress because they hate free speech and thought.

Go back to school and learn the definition of opinion. You're passing your opinions off as facts, and that's where you're failing miserably.

  • 06.01.2006 1:02 PM PDT


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Posted by: Caer Bannog
Sorry, to me, reading the Halo books and saying that they supercede the original source (the video games) is a little too much like reading the Book of Mormon instead of the original source, the Bible.

Of course there will be contradictions...the original writers didn't write the books and the supplemental writers are injecting their own agenda and ideas into the mythology.

I don't mean to go into religion, but that's the closest analogy I can think of.



First off, Bringing Religion into the forums is an automatic blacklisting. Second of all I'm Mormon and seeing as you obviously haven't read the Book of Mormon and don't even know what it's about i suggest you shut up and obey forum rules so you don't offend anyone else with your stupidity.


If he did know what he was talking about, it might have been stupidity. I believe you're looking for the word "ignorance".

  • 06.01.2006 1:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
* Enter Flaming Remark Here *


Here is a prime example of a person either too lazy or too brain dead to formulate a witty, subtle and amusing post.

Awful from you.

[Edited on 6/1/2006]

  • 06.01.2006 1:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
Posted by: Caer Bannog
Sorry, to me, reading the Halo books and saying that they supercede the original source (the video games) is a little too much like reading the Book of Mormon instead of the original source, the Bible.

Of course there will be contradictions...the original writers didn't write the books and the supplemental writers are injecting their own agenda and ideas into the mythology.

I don't mean to go into religion, but that's the closest analogy I can think of.



First off, Bringing Religion into the forums is an automatic blacklisting. Second of all I'm Mormon and seeing as you obviously haven't read the Book of Mormon and don't even know what it's about i suggest you shut up and obey forum rules so you don't offend anyone else with your stupidity.


If he did know what he was talking about, it might have been stupidity. I believe you're looking for the word "ignorance".


that works too.

  • 06.01.2006 1:04 PM PDT
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Wiltron, I have to say that you are in the vast minority here. Seeing as how Halo is one of the biggest franchises in entertainment history.

Personally, I have never seen a character that you can relate to more than the Master Chief in any video game. Fantastical differences aside, he embodies a lot about the courage and self-sacrifice that all of us would like to do, but only a minority have the guts to.

As for the Johnson ending, do you really think that ending where he hugs the Elite was actually a reference to the story. Read the books, they are canon. It explains that Johnson was nowhere near the Pillar of Autumn when the reactor went into meltdown.

I loved Bungie's other games (never could get Marathon's control scheme though) but Halo is the strongest storied franchise in video game history. The story was actually groundbreaking in terms of video games, and featured a lot of innovative stuff and interesting characters (such as Captain Keyes, Sargeant Johnson, 343 Guilty Spark and so on).

I think that this ending is going to call into question the actual purpose of humanity's existance in that universe. And it will rock.


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Here is a prime example of a person either too lazy or too brain dead to formulate a witty, subtle and amusing post.

Awful from you.


just my way of saying i disagree with the original post. (i didn't feel like reading 100 posts before posting, and didn't want to look stupid by saying something that's already been said.)

  • 06.01.2006 1:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master Fox
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Posted by: Raptor040
Arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics; no matter who wins, you're both retarded.


I'm not arguing, I'm simply stating my opinions which other people attempt to oppress because they hate free speech and thought.

Go back to school and learn the definition of opinion. You're passing your opinions off as facts, and that's where you're failing miserably.


Just because I have a semblance of logic that persuades others to believe as I believe doesn't mean I was saying that, absolutely, I am correct. I'm just persuasive, that's who I am.

Aside from that, you keep saying these things are facts........do you really believe that there's a big Halo floating around out there in space?

Posted by: The Gunshark 360
As for the Johnson ending, do you really think that ending where he hugs the Elite was actually a reference to the story. Read the books, they are canon. It explains that Johnson was nowhere near the Pillar of Autumn when the reactor went into meltdown.


That is what I call a contradiction because I saw, with my own eyes, Johnson and an unknown Elite (perhaps the Arbiter?) hugging intimately before Halo blew up.

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  • 06.01.2006 1:08 PM PDT
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That kid is a moron, just ignore him.

Most Believable and Immersive Video Game Worlds:

1. The Halo Franchise
2. TIE - Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and The Splinter Cell Franchise
5. Call of Duty 2

777777777777777777777777777777. - Shiska and Frankie's All Night Party with your Mom. (I kind of find it really hard to believe that the Shish and Frankie would go after yours, when there are ones that they probably think are much hotter).

EDIT: The Johnson Legendary Ending was inserted as an easter egg to be funny. Are you mentally ill or do you not understand the word non-canon?


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  • 06.01.2006 1:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
That kid is a moron, just ignore him.


Don't worry, I will.

  • 06.01.2006 1:23 PM PDT

OMG - Gaming for the fun of it in the UK and Europe

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Posted by: Vinnie13
Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
* Enter Flaming Remark Here *


Here is a prime example of a person either too lazy or too brain dead to formulate a witty, subtle and amusing post.

Awful from you.


just my way of saying i disagree with the original post. (i didn't feel like reading 100 posts before posting, and didn't want to look stupid by saying something that's already been said.)


How are we supposed to know that if you don't say it?

This would have saved a lot of time if you'd have posted this thought originally, scatterbrain.

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