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why isnt this locked yet? its just people arguing about flames

  • 06.01.2006 1:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Wiltron, I have to say that you are in the vast minority here. Seeing as how Halo is one of the biggest franchises in entertainment history.

Personally, I have never seen a character that you can relate to more than the Master Chief in any video game. Fantastical differences aside, he embodies a lot about the courage and self-sacrifice that all of us would like to do, but only a minority have the guts to...


I may be in the minority, I don't mind. I disagree with your assessment of MCs humanity. He's a 7 foot bioengineered soldier whose emotional range goes from Vin Diesel Grumbling to ... nothing else. The courage and honor of a lone soldier against the forces of evil are standard fare. I'm looking at this strictly from what's accessible in the game. As I said before, the vast majority of players don't read the books, so the story should stand on it's own. I haven't read the books (Remember everyone, that just means I didn't read the video game based Halo books. It doesn't mean I don't read others) so the majority of the other stuff you mentioned is beyond me.

  • 06.01.2006 1:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wiltron
Remember everyone, that just means I didn't read the video game based Halo books. It doesn't mean I don't read others.


Yeah, everyone here is using that argument...it's so lame. I bet most of these people have never read anything that isn't either poorly written science fiction or a book that was assigned to them for a high school literature class. And even then they probably just read the Cliff notes.

[Edited on 6/1/2006]

  • 06.01.2006 1:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: mmm_ARVO
why isnt this locked yet? its just people arguing about flames


Because there's a tiny bit of rational debate going on. (or the mods are busy elsewhere)

  • 06.01.2006 1:36 PM PDT
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Alright, I've read this entire thing. Bannog and Fox obviously both have ego issues although in this case I think Fox is in the right. The books were made to support the games. Obviously they couldn't explain EVERYTHING in the game otherwise people would get bored. For those who wanted to take the time to delve deeper into the story, Bungie got people to expand it with books. I've read plenty of books, the Halo ones are far from poorly written. You can't accurately judge what you haven't read. As people have explain and you so conveniently chose to ignore, easter eggs have no effect on the story line. The Sarge hugging the Elite was comedy nothing more. If it makes you feel any better, we'll say the Sarge hugging the Elite was a clone. That satisfies you both, now shut the heck up. It is quite annoying to have to scroll through your wordy and egotistical posts. As for me, I like the storyline. Not the best but it provides entertainment and thats what I want from a videogame. And btw, the Sarge died plenty of times in Halo 1. I might have even helped the Covenant kill him just for the hell of it.

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  • 06.01.2006 1:39 PM PDT
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Then by your logic, a lot of movies shouldn't stand on their own. It is the building of a complex mythology that makes a story truly great. Read the books, they show a lot more of the Chief's underlying emotional state. He regards his allies and fellow Spartans as a family, he mourns their loss (albeit temporarily) when they fall, & has a lot more interaction with the characters than you actually think.

The Fall of Reach really fleshes out his story and origins from the time he was a child to a full-grown man. Pick them up, and a lot of the things you were confused about in the story of the game will make a lot more sense.

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Posted by: Kronos23
we'll say the Sarge hugging the Elite was a clone


That's not what I said at all.

  • 06.01.2006 1:45 PM PDT
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If you'll read my entire post then you'll notice I did not state that you did.

  • 06.01.2006 1:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kronos23
Alright, I've read this entire thing. Bannog and Fox obviously both have ego issues although in this case I think Fox is in the right. The books were made to support the games. Obviously they couldn't explain EVERYTHING in the game otherwise people would get bored. For those who wanted to take the time to delve deeper into the story, Bungie got people to expand it with books. I've read plenty of books, the Halo ones are far from poorly written. You can't accurately judge what you haven't read. As people have explain and you so conveniently chose to ignore, easter eggs have no effect on the story line. The Sarge hugging the Elite was comedy nothing more. If it makes you feel any better, we'll say the Sarge hugging the Elite was a clone. That satisfies you both, now shut the heck up. It is quite annoying to have to scroll through your wordy and egotistical posts. As for me, I like the storyline. Not the best but it provides entertainment and thats what I want from a videogame. And btw, the Sarge died plenty of times in Halo 1. I might have even helped the Covenant kill him just for the hell of it.


For someone who has apparently read a lot of books, you create a really boring paragraph. Well done, you're J K Rowling!

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Thank you, it's my goal in life to waste people's time. You have my deepest gratitude for furthering my efforts.

  • 06.01.2006 1:49 PM PDT

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I'm really not interested in the mythology. I started the thread based on the in-game story line. Reading the books wouldn't correct my biggest problem with the in-game story: the wooden dialog and the low level implementation of the big ideas (reminds me of the disappointing Matrix sequels). Anyway. I'm done here. Talk amongst yourselves.

  • 06.01.2006 1:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kronos23
Thank you, it's my goal in life to waste people's time. You have my deepest gratitude for furthering my efforts.


All part of the service.

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I never beat Halo 1 nor have I beat Halo 2 and I probably won't beat Halo 3. Why? I'm a multiplayer gamer and I could care less about saving the world or the princess or my pet iguana Coos Coos. I haven't been interested in a video/computer game's story since the good ol' days of King's Quest V. Well KOTOR was nice but everything else bored me to death. That's why I love the Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament, Quake, Battlefield games because they are, for the most part, strictly multiplayer games.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Then by your logic, a lot of movies shouldn't stand on their own.


A lot of movies are based on books, and those movies are mostly crap because they either get the book wrong or contradict something vital in the book.

A lot of movies are based on video games, and those movies are ALL crap.

And there's a lot of fan fiction out there for video games, roleplaying games, board games and most of it is total garbage simply because people make stuff up and act like that it's part of the story all of the sudden. Well, I don't buy it.

No one has satisfactorily explained away that the Sarge got blown up while hugging an Elite (possibly the Arbiter) except to claim it's some made up thing called a "easter egg"...something I've never heard of but appearently it's some kind of thing gamers make up to explain away contradictions for their fan fiction.

Here...why isn't this part of your "cannon" or "easter egg"?

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=7149096


[Edited on 6/1/2006]

  • 06.01.2006 1:56 PM PDT

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I never beat Halo 1 nor have I beat Halo 2 and I probably won't beat Halo 3. Why? I'm a multiplayer gamer and I could care less about saving the world or the princess or my pet iguana Coos Coos. I haven't been interested in a video/computer game's story since the good ol' days of King's Quest V. Well KOTOR was nice but everything else bored me to death. That's why I love the Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament, Quake, Battlefield games because they are, for the most part, strictly multiplayer games.


So you are in a Halo 3 thread discussing the storyline because???

  • 06.01.2006 1:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Vinnie13
So you are in a Halo 3 thread discussing the storyline because???


Because I think the story line sucks and couldn't hold my interest for more than 20 minutes. I didn't want to say it sucks because little fanboy geekoids would flood me with PMs.

  • 06.01.2006 2:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vinnie13
So you are in a Halo 3 thread discussing the storyline because???


Because I think the story line sucks and couldn't hold my interest for more than 20 minutes. I didn't want to say it sucks because little fanboy geekoids would flood me with PMs.


I think even the fanboys don't care that much about your solitary opinion.

And how do you know the Halo 3 storyline by the way?

  • 06.01.2006 2:26 PM PDT
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I'd like to see you come up with a better storyline.

i mean they say things that arn't that clear wow it doesn't make the story not good, i could name about 1,000 other games that suck at every simple concept of a game.

I know they say stupid stuff but usually it's really funny

  • 06.01.2006 2:33 PM PDT

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And how do you know the Halo 3 storyline by the way?


Everyone knows that Gepetto wishes upon a star (done to dazzling CGI show tune cut-scene with a grunt dressed as Carmen Miranda and singing the RobandFab techno remix of "When You Wish Upon A Star") and Cortana becomes A REAL LIVE WOMAN!!!!!

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he actually made it out of there Caer Bannog. that's why they rewared him in the first cut-scene where he is in. if you finished halo on legendary, you'll see a movie that you don't see if you finish the game on the other settings, and in the movie, there is seargent with a elite hugging, and he got out of there in time

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  • 06.01.2006 2:48 PM PDT

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Sarge and the elite hugging, I believe that was just kind of a funny cutscene, if it was really a part of the story, you wouldn't need to beat Legendary to see it...
The Halo story is great, it's a good vs evil and aliens vs humans, but it's not unoriginal.


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Alright well since everyone is conversing, I want to add my two cents. It will probably be more like fifty bucks because of the length that I plan for this to be and some of that fifty bucks might be taken right from your pocket considering I might repeat what a lot of people have said. Now that thats out of the way I want to clearly stay where I lay opinion-wise. If you don't agree I still ask that you read through this as it is not intended to bash anyone, just to persuade. Again, I am restating that I do not wish to bash anyone of your opinions or posts and I will refrain from doing so. Finally, after all that mumbo jumbo, I will go on to my opinion and hopefully my logical reasoning behind that opinion.
I agree with Master Fox's opinion of the Halo storyline in its entirety but I also agree with Wiltron’s opinion of the “Halo: Combat Evolved”’s(H:CE) story. As for Caer Bannog’s opinion, I want to respect the idea about Johnson being a clone as that would seem like a possibility considering the books cover a lot of that subject in detail. However, you dismiss the books as being fan-fiction so therefore that could not possible help in supporting your theory. As for not knowing what an easter egg is I will provide you a link form Wikipedia on this subject as Wikipedia is good when it comes to cultural or internet terminology. I know I could have simple edited this information in as it is Wikipedia but I hope that you will trust me enough to think I wouldn’t do such a thing. So with out further ado, the link to Wikipedia’s definition of easter egg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_%28virtual%29 Alright now since that is out of the way, lets go on to discuss more about why Johnson is shown in what I believe to be an easter egg death of an elite and Johnson, along with Johnson’s deaths in other parts of the game.
I believe that most of the reasoning behind the death of Johnson throughout H:CE is due to poor planning or more likely the inability or insufficient time frame that would be required to program it so that Johnson would be invincible throughout the game. As you can see, Bungie learned from this mistake in Halo 2(H2) since Johnson can now be drenched in bullet and plasma fire and be able to survive. I also believe limited amount of resources such as character models and audio files required the Bungie team to put Johnson into levels of the game in which he was not put in the book, even if you do not see the books as canon. Bannog you seemed to be confused on what canon is so I will provide another WIkipedia link for you. Once again, I hope you can trust me enough to believe that I didn’t just edit information into Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_%28fiction%29 Alright, there is one other occurrence of Johnson’s death that I want to discuss however it is hard to back this up for you Bannog as you do not seem to believe that the books or the upcoming graphic novel are considered canon. Maybe people wonder how Johnson survived the encounter with the Flood but no one really knows except for Bungie until the Halo Graphic Novel (HGN) is released in July. I was also planning to persuade the non-believers into think that the books and the HGN were canon by using the fact that Johnson is in H2 however Bannog’s idea that Johnson is a clone stops me from doing such a thing. Since surprisingly enough the very books that he does not consider to be canon can actually help support his theory. Therefore, I can not persuade him even if the HGN describes how he survived the Flood and how he got off Halo because he could simply deny that the HGN is cannon. So I will respect your opinion on Johnson being a clone however I do not believe he is one and the death of Johnson and an elite being an easter egg leads me to believe he is not a clone.

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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

You must read the books to get a complete picture.

  • 06.01.2006 3:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Then by your logic, a lot of movies shouldn't stand on their own.


A lot of movies are based on books, and those movies are mostly crap because they either get the book wrong or contradict something vital in the book.

A lot of movies are based on video games, and those movies are ALL crap.

And there's a lot of fan fiction out there for video games, roleplaying games, board games and most of it is total garbage simply because people make stuff up and act like that it's part of the story all of the sudden. Well, I don't buy it.

No one has satisfactorily explained away that the Sarge got blown up while hugging an Elite (possibly the Arbiter) except to claim it's some made up thing called a "easter egg"...something I've never heard of but appearently it's some kind of thing gamers make up to explain away contradictions for their fan fiction.

Here...why isn't this part of your "cannon" or "easter egg"?

[url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=7149096[/ url]


An "easter egg" is just a special goody put in for fun's sake. It doesn't have anything to do with the story. The skulls are easter eggs. I should hope, you've heard of them. Also there'll be a set of graphic novels released, one of which will explain how Johnson survived the Flood. Before you criticize the story you should read the books, they are canon after all. Despite what anyone says, it's been stated time and time again. The graphic novels will also be canon, because they'll focus on peripheral aspects of the Halo universe. Oh, and it's a game, of course it's gonna have one-liners. People want action in their video games, not a movie featuring bad acting. All that stuff is put in there to lighten the situation while you play, give you something to laugh at once or twice. Don't criticize the story if you don't know the whole story. That's like watching the LOTR trilogy and saying the novels were crap.

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Nice job, REchris. I posted my comment at the same time you did yours.

  • 06.01.2006 3:59 PM PDT