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Subject: Halo Violates The Laws of Physics

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I just finished reading The Cole Protocol (Quite addictive) and one part stood out to me. The part where Captain Keyes and the ODSTs jump into outer space and use their battle rifles to distance themselves from the ship. The author tried to be intelligent and use Newton's Third Law of Physics to support this, however, when one thinks about it, guns would not even work in space at all because there is no atmosphere.

Discuss.

  • 04.21.2012 11:44 AM PDT

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  • 04.21.2012 11:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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I may be wrong, but I vaguely remember a Mythbusters episode where they tested to see if a gun could fire in a vacuum. Does anyone else remember?

  • 04.21.2012 11:52 AM PDT

why wouldn't guns work in space?

  • 04.21.2012 11:57 AM PDT

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A cartridge fired from any gun in space has all of the combustible materials, including oxygen bound in the gun powder, to propel the bullet at a higher rate of speed and range than on earth due to the lack of friction with the atmosphere or gravity. A bullet fired in space would go on forever unless slowed by the gravitational force of another gravity well.

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I believe modern day guns would actually work in space.
Think of it in water except without the resistance.

Edit: Not excluding ALL the resistance. Obviously gravitational pulls and gravity wells would effect it, but they would effect it all that much I wouldn't think.

[Edited on 04.21.2012 12:42 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2012 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain Richards
...guns would not even work in space at all because there is no atmosphere.

Discuss.


Incorrect, a gun can fire in a vacuum, aka space.

Observe

So, since it can fire in a vacuum, this Halo scenario does not violate the laws of physics.

[Edited on 04.21.2012 12:41 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2012 12:40 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

FYI the Soviets successfully put guns into space decades ago.

  • 04.21.2012 7:51 PM PDT

Well, two problems.

1) Modern guns themselves can fire in space, let alone guns built for that in the future.

2) Cole Protocol isn't the only situation a gun in Halo is fired in space. Happened in Halo 2, Halo Reach, the Halo Wars prequel graphic novel, Contact Harvest and I think Fall of Reach. So it's been pretty well established by now that even if modern guns couldn't fire in space, Halo weapons canonically can.

  • 04.21.2012 8:48 PM PDT

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Oh look a science fiction series that violates the laws of physics and real world stuff, what are the odds?

  • 04.21.2012 9:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Captain Richards
I just finished reading The Cole Protocol (Quite addictive) and one part stood out to me. The part where Captain Keyes and the ODSTs jump into outer space and use their battle rifles to distance themselves from the ship. The author tried to be intelligent and use Newton's Third Law of Physics to support this, however, when one thinks about it, guns would not even work in space at all because there is no atmosphere.

Discuss.


Actually, gunpowder used in bullets already have the necessary oxidants in the mix. So there doesn't need to be any oxygen around for the gun to shoot, since its already in the gunpowder.

  • 04.21.2012 9:14 PM PDT

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The guns of our time wouldn't work indeed, but we are talking about guns of the year 2530 maybe, so human technology is way different. Do not apply our technology to a 500 year technology ahead.

So yeah, the guns in 500 years in the future will surely be different from our time. Just use your brain to think a little bit.

[Edited on 04.21.2012 10:19 PM PDT]

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Oh look a science fiction series that violates the laws of physics and real world stuff, what are the odds?
Yet it doesn't, I don't think...

  • 04.21.2012 10:17 PM PDT

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yeah but what if they are some sort of special guns, i mean we are talking about halo something that takes place in the distant future where space battles are the norm, i think they would have developed a sort of gun that could fire with no atmosphere.

  • 04.22.2012 6:29 AM PDT

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Guns work in space.

  • 04.22.2012 7:45 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

That has nothing to do with the laws of physics...

  • 04.22.2012 8:02 AM PDT
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Dude, FTL travel already violates Physics.

Besides, they do work. Albeit less(?) effective.

  • 04.22.2012 8:18 AM PDT
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the powder requires oxygen to ignite and theres no oxygen in space because its a vacumn therefore guns wouldnt work in space.

  • 04.22.2012 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: gsprad7878
the powder requires oxygen to ignite and theres no oxygen in space because its a vacumn therefore guns wouldnt work in space.


The gun powder already has oxygen in it, vacuum would only make firing a bullet more effective as the only thing affecting it would be a planet's gravity well, otherwise it would go on forever until hitting something.

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Posted by: gsprad7878
the powder requires oxygen to ignite and theres no oxygen in space because its a vacumn therefore guns wouldnt work in space.


There's oxygen in the gun powder.

[Edited on 04.22.2012 11:42 AM PDT]

  • 04.22.2012 11:42 AM PDT

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People there is a video in the middle of the thread showing a gun shoot in a vacuum. So it is possible with our guns now and definitively possible with the guns in their future.

  • 04.22.2012 12:36 PM PDT

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You'd think someone would have mentioned this when we were jumping around Cairo Station, but nooooo.

  • 04.22.2012 1:50 PM PDT

Well it's a fictional story soo anything goes. No need to freak out about guns in space, just enjoy the story and don't over think it.

  • 04.22.2012 1:53 PM PDT

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