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Subject: Welcome back halo (WALL TEXT)

GoofiestChief

WARNING TEXT WALL AHEAD:

Sorry if you've heard this all before but this is just my opinion and I wanted to express it.

I remember a time when military shooters weren't EVERYWHERE.
No battlefield, medal of honor, or COD(I did like some of those games though). I liked that Halo was so diverse.

Bf and cod are great but they have no soul or emotion to them IMO. No matter what you did in them, you always knew you were playing a military shooter. In halo, you'd forget there was even a Loire behind it. I liked odst and reach and even halo wars but it seems like halo hasn't had its true glory days since halo 3. Odst comes out and gets swept by mw2. Reach comes out and gets beat by Cod BO. It's not really a rivalry anymore.

In my honest opinion, Halo Reach was sort of a disappointment. When I say that; I don't mean it was trash(I actually liked it more than cod and bf and I still play it) but it wasn't as social as halo 3 or 2. What I liked about forge in halo 3 was it worked on every map. You had forge maps like foundry, standoff, sandtrap, avalanche, rats nest, and of course sandbox.I even made maps on snowbound. It was flexible.Remember how all halo fans came back to halo 2 to see it off? I just can't see anybody doing something like that for Reach.

As incredible as Forge world is, it's only so long before you get tired of the same old forerunner canvas. Not only is Forge world the only forge map, it's the only map that you can use forge AT ALL. Wouldn't it be awesome if you could make your own spire towers? Or your own zero gravity areas? I would've preferred a large amount of diverse lesser forge maps like halo 3 rather than one HUGE forge map.

Speaking of maps, the reach maps weren't that memorable to me. Even the remakes. Reflection doesn't feel like Ivory tower to me. Not to mention that every single map except for dlc,countdown and forge world is just a scene taken picture perfect from the campaign. That's not bad but do we really need EVERY SINGLE map to be from SP? Why not just make the map have the same theme from the SP. Like how ghost town was similar to the level sierra 117? Or how rats nest is like crows nest? Even the firefight maps are exactly the same. Come on Bungie. After seeing what you've made before, why do you have problems with new ideas now?


Everybody likes remade maps but why did we like those maps in the first place? Cause they were new and cool. I loved new maps in halo 3 like narrows and construct and Valhalla and high ground and I'm glad that one of the maps in halo 4 kind of reminds me of narrows.

I'm also not a big fan of prequels and spinoffs that are released AFTER the main series is done. When I beat Reach and Odst, I was depressed cause I believed there was nothing left to do. I feel like I should be excited about what happens next but then I remember that I already know what happens next.

I also liked the med pack system in halo 1 but I never felt it worked well in MP. I didn't like that they made the spartans so much weaker and more realistic in Reach. Stop trying to turn halo realistic bungie. That's not halo. Halo is unrealistic crazy, stupid, fun. Needing med packs, fall damage, vehicles having health bars( dmr > tank?). So you can see why I'm excited about halo 4.

I don't believe halo is being milked. Some say it's being milked cause we have a halo game every year but let's take a look back at those games.

ODST= expansion pack for halo with about a 2 yr development time
Halo wars= Started development in late 2006 and came out early 09(2.5 yr)
Reach= 3 yr
Halo anniversary= $40 remake of a already existing game(probably 1 yr)

There's a difference between a game coming out every year and being made every year. Looking at you COD. It's coincidence with halo.

There's 7 halo games(plus expansions and it's had no handhelds) out now and 3 more expected(with each one probably having a close to 3 yr development time span since that's how it's usually done with major halo games)

There's 14 gta games plus expansions out now and growing

There's 16 bf games plus expansions out now

There's 16 resident evil games if you count spinoffs out now(plus movies)

There's a whopping over 200 final fantasy games if you count Japanese only ones

18 zelda games plus expansions and remakes

Around 14 cod(plus handhelds games and counting

9 assassins creed games which includes handhelds and this series isn't even that old(started in 07)

I realize many of these are really old series(zelda) but most of them aren't that old(assassins, resident evil,bf,cod,gta).

You can look up these lists on wikipedia not to mention that I've played a lot of these games.

Many would say some of these series aren't being milked(I'm one of them) but then explain how halo is being milked then. It doesn't have a lot of games in its series and most of them had long development times anyway.


At first, like most big halo fans should be, I was worried about halo not being made by bungie anymore. Then I saw what they did. Instead of arguing between br vs dmr, halo 4 will have both including the ar. There also bringing back the cov carbine(although I hope it also has a needle rife too).

It seems like 343 really did listen.

Jump in jump out matchmaking(sick of quitters)

Everyone can sprint now

I preferred the br over dmr but that's me.

New enemy faction.

A spartan ops(think mw3 spec ops but better). I was getting bored of horde modes anyway. Plus it will have new levels and new story cut scenes to it every week FOR FREE.

IMO I hated med kits(anyone else mad at noobs getting back health just cause it spawned at that EXACT moment?) so I'm happy they're all gone.

It feels like 343 is bringing halo back. Since the modern warfare series is over and since Treyarchs games are thought of as cods lesser ones by many(don't know why though cause I liked BO story), I think halo can return to it's glory days of halo 3(glory days meaning it can be the most play online game and the best selling game ever without being milked with a new game every year). Also adding a 4 to halo means more than an "odst" or "reach".

This is my opinion. Like it or hate it. I'm just happy the masterchief is back(not the rookie or noble 6 but the one and only MC) Now if you excuse I'm gonna get ready to watch the NFL draft(hey a halo fan can be a football fan too).



  • 04.21.2012 3:18 PM PDT
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ODST only had a year but it still has the best stand alone single player campaign of all Halo titles. Not to mention the outstanding soundtrack plus the introduction of FF to Halo.

The only thing I'm remotely excited about is Spartan Ops, but at the same time I'm dissapointed about the removal of FF.

  • 04.21.2012 3:48 PM PDT


Posted by: wcd45
ODST only had a year but it still has the best stand alone single player campaign of all Halo titles.


Not even close. As for FF, how do you know it wont be replaced by something better? I would bet a serious chunk of change that some version of FF will be in H4. Game types featuring waves of enemies is nothing new, and it will likely continue in some form or another.

  • 04.21.2012 3:58 PM PDT

I agree with many points you made. I do miss the H3 days. I think after Halo 2 went down, Halo just wasn't the same. The Reach beta was fun but things were different. I don't share your optimism for Halo 4 though. I feel that it's another step in the wrong direction for Halo, IMO.

But I will buy it, and finish it. If it impresses me, great. If not, well...

  • 04.21.2012 4:10 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Halo's golden days were from 2001-2009, after that things really slowed down. Hopefully this year, 343i will be able to fully inject new life into the series. I've been very impressed so far with what they're doing, but nothing will quite have the effect of, say, Halo 2's E3 2003 showing or Halo 3's reveal trailer with taglines like "this is the way the world ends" and "FINISH THE FIGHT".

As amazing as the Reclaimer Trilogy is sure to be, I don't think it will capture that same feeling.

  • 04.21.2012 4:19 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

I welcome this new Reclaimer Trilogy with open arms. Reach was a devastating blow. Major disappointment. The other Halos were fantastic and hopefully 343i can bounce back from that mistake known as Reach and really deliver an experience like no other -- one that can blow the original trilogy out of the water.

  • 04.21.2012 4:55 PM PDT

GoofiestChief


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At least you're giving it a chance.

I actually feel it's a step in the right direction just because of the halo 3 ending.

If halo 3 had ended like gears 3 did(with 100% closure and all questions answered) then something like halo 4 would be a bad idea to me.

But instead they ended it with MC stuck in space, AND to put the cherry on top, it shows him floating towards a mysterious planet. At that point, it's practically asking for a sequel. It's almost like if they had ended the series with halo 2s ending.

Just think, if halo 4 hadn't been made, Reach would've been the last ending to it all. That's not right. Reach was fun but hardly a "swan song". For it to be a swan song, it would need to be better than all the halos combined(1,2,3)and it wasn't and I didn't even get that feeling before it came out.The thing with halo 4 is that I think it can and I'm am sort of getting that feeling simply cause I've seen the same good fun halo rather something like reach that makes it look like something totally new.

Plus I'm sick of spinoffs. From what I've seen based on the last 4 halo games after halo 3, it was halo 4 or bust. I am happy that they waited so long to announce though it cause I didn't want them to be all like "hey we've got halo 4" even though halo 3 just came out. At this point it seems impossible to reclaim halos old glory with spinoffs alone. IMO they either make halo 4 or they shut down the whole franchise(at least the games would be shutdown but the novels and even a movie wouldn't be able to survive without the heart of the franchise).


Last note: Like I said, I was worried at the idea of halo 4. But after seeing everything and reading the GI cover story, I'm getting this vibe and feeling that I haven't felt since H3. I looked at bits of halo 4 MP gameplay and you know what? It looked like halo 3 and 2. Not Reach not ODST. It looked like something that I not only can enjoy, but have great memories and awesome theater films that I haven't had since H3. It felt like pure halo. No realism. No ad dons. Just pure,fun,stupid halo.

[Edited on 04.21.2012 6:39 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2012 6:26 PM PDT

GoofiestChief


@AJW34307

I feel it can just cause the halo 4 gameplay that I've seen gave me a feeling I haven't felt since halo 3. The gameplay looks like halo 3. Not Reach. It looks like people having fun jumping and screwing around rather than waiting for somebody to turn off their armor lock.

It felt like pure, no BS, unrealistic, stupid fun halo. The vibe I've gotten from 343 is good. I thought that bungie to 343 would be like infinity ward to treyarch(at least back when cod was good) but right now it seems more like bungie to bungie. 343 gave me that vibe as if people from this very site or forum all got together and made a halo game. Something that makes a halo game rather than a game.

That's my opinion but don't be surprised come E3 that halo 4 actually brings back some of that 2003 or finish the fight nostalgia. Something Reach failed at. I didn't have much hope Reach could topple 1,2,3. I have full hope that 4 can.

[Edited on 04.21.2012 6:38 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2012 6:37 PM PDT
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Great read, OP. I couldn't agree more. I am a little disappointed that FF won't be in Halo 4, but at the same time, I think they're going to do a wonderful job with Spartan Ops.

  • 04.21.2012 7:06 PM PDT

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Not to mention that every single map except for dlc,countdown and forge world



I thought countdown was copied off the bit on Long night of solace where your in the room where the Sabre is.

  • 04.21.2012 10:46 PM PDT
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(To discuss Halo 4.)

I think that 343i will screw up, and people will hate them,

or

I think that 343i will make an amazing Halo game, and people will hate them.

People can't accept change. People are ignorant to the flaws of previous games due to nostalgia and when I saw threads asking for the return of 1-50, seeing somehow that Halo 3 became the best Halo game (really? Campaign wise, no?)

It sickens me to see that Halo 3 is used as an example of "Halo's Greatness" when in reality it should be Halo CE or Halo 2.

Reach had many similarities with CE, including over powered grenades, health bar etc, and see how those were all tossed away, apparently not being Halo enough.

People need to replay the trilogy, and then make an assumption on Halo 4, because all I see is a steaming pile of nostalgia.
/Opinion

[Edited on 04.21.2012 11:13 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2012 11:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: GoofiestChief
Not to mention that every single map except for dlc,countdown and forge world
I thought countdown was copied off the bit on Long night of solace where your in the room where the Sabre is.

you are correct

  • 04.22.2012 12:04 AM PDT

GoofiestChief


Posted by: Quantam
I think that 343i will screw up, and people will hate them,

or

I think that 343i will make an amazing Halo game, and people will hate them.

People can't accept change. People are ignorant to the flaws of previous games due to nostalgia and when I saw threads asking for the return of 1-50, seeing somehow that Halo 3 became the best Halo game (really? Campaign wise, no?)

It sickens me to see that Halo 3 is used as an example of "Halo's Greatness" when in reality it should be Halo CE or Halo 2.

Reach had many similarities with CE, including over powered grenades, health bar etc, and see how those were all tossed away, apparently not being Halo enough.

People need to replay the trilogy, and then make an assumption on Halo 4, because all I see is a steaming pile of nostalgia.
/Opinion




I get where you're coming from. I felt that halo 2 had the greatest SP of all the games(with halo ce being a close second) and I was indeed sad when halo 3 SP came up short.

I own every halo game except anniversary. I was there when halo 2 MP was ending and that last day of halo 2 was just as good as my halo 3 days(maybe better). I still play halo ce, 2, and 3. It has nothing to do with nostalgia.

Here's some problems with some of those halo ce similarities that reach has.

Grenades= equal grenade spamming(remember the beta grenades?)

Med kits are not fair because if two dudes charge at each other and one of them gets lucky enough to have a med kit spawn RIGHT THERE then that guy gets an undeserved and unfair bonus. He didn't do anything to earn that, why should he get rewarded? You're choosing the nostalgia of having those things over the games quality and you're calling us nostalgic?

Halo 4 is exciting because it's bringing back the memories of halo 2.

Halo 3 Sp is ok but the MP was where it was at. Forge and theater. Halo 3 core gameplay was identical to halo 2 so I don't what you mean. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's the problem with Reach and why people liked H3.

Also the fact that you seem to think that a halo game needs to be more like halo ce for it to be a good halo game makes me think you're the one with nostalgia problems. Reach tried to be like halo ce, look how that ended up.

I replay every halo game before a halo game comes out. Your nostalgia argument doesn't work.

Maybe you don't feel H3 = H2 but other people seem to. Perhaps you should ask them why. They might surprise you.

I loved both.

  • 04.22.2012 8:54 AM PDT