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Subject: Should people require a bungie.net account to post?
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

TL;DR summary:

Sure, why not, but solely for commenting on news posts and articles. Absolutely not for forums.

Obviously, we as a community want to be inviting to everybody, but this is accomplished through the act of making it easy to make an account for posting, not by making it easy to post. Being "inviting" to a person who wants to be here is not the same thing as "making it easy for a disinterested user to add content." The former results in a better site and a better community while the latter does the opposite.

Longer version

For pure commenting on articles, news posts, and the like: fine. This is far less about community participation than about making one's voice heard, and this could make sense for news post/article commenting.

For participation in the forums and creating/joining private groups: absolutely not.

You may have noticed, daz, that a lot of people have concerns about additional difficulties in moderation and a decline in the quality of discussion here (which, at times, can already be pretty low). While you focus on the technical issues involved in moderating comments here and the obvious fact that any system allowing posts by social media users would almost certainly include a way to moderate them, I think that these concerns are far more about a feeling that this feature would result in a huge decline in the quality of content regardless of how much we moderate. For a pretty good microcosm, I'd compare the differential between the quality of discussion and frequency of spam on our "public" forums with that of a closed private group on Bungie.net.

Personally, I think these concerns are well-founded and they are a legitimate reason to be against this feature.

The fact is that in cruising around the internet, many of us have noted that sites which allow this feature suffer from incredibly low-quality conversation, trolling, mass spam, commercial posts, and other undesirable comments/posts. This is because users who use this feature to comment are typically not invested in the site. While their Facebook account certainly has value to them, the ability to post on Bungie.net to a user like this is of negligible importance. What do they care if they get banned? They are visiting BNet as part of their social media experience on Facebook or Twitter, and any participation in the site via adding content is done in that context. They have zero vested interest in contributing to the Bungie.net community or maintaining the integrity of their account. A 7-day ban has no effect on a user who only posts here once a month.

The typical user who actually creates an account here has the opposite motivation. The act of creating an account, in itself, adds solemnity and seriousness to the act of participating in the forums, and as such, results in an increase in the quality of discussion.

Users who, as you say in your OP, are "people who follow Bungie's Twitter or Facebook accounts where they are sent links to articles posted on this site and want to comment on them, but aren't interested in any of the other features you get with a Bungie.net account" are low-value users nearly by definition. Just like the difference between our public forums and a closed private group on Bungie.net, the easier it is to get access to adding content, the lower the quality of that content will be.

In all honesty, it is not difficult to create an account here, and trying to make the idea of creating an account sound cumbersome flies directly in the face of what we know about problem users and alternate accounts.

Like burritosenior said, it makes far more sense to establish a system of adding value to a Bungie.net account (and motivation to only have one of them) than to make it a zero-step process for disengaged and disinterested users to post.

[Edited on 04.22.2012 11:18 PM PDT]

  • 04.22.2012 11:15 PM PDT

Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Nah, I like being able to associate posts to members, even if I don't see them very often.

Same here.

  • 04.22.2012 11:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.


Posted by: x Foman123 x
Sure, why not, but solely for commenting on news posts and articles. Absolutely not for forums.


Now this is a better plan.

  • 04.22.2012 11:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Niko Jims

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Sure, why not, but solely for commenting on news posts and articles. Absolutely not for forums.


Now this is a better plan.


I posted the same thing 2 pages back :(

[Edited on 04.22.2012 11:41 PM PDT]

  • 04.22.2012 11:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: zoobkillerninja
Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Sure, why not, but solely for commenting on news posts and articles. Absolutely not for forums.

Now this is a better plan.

I posted the same thing 2 pages back :(
This isn't about who had the idea first, pal. He was agreeing with the idea, not the person.

  • 04.22.2012 11:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Niko Jims

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Sure, why not, but solely for commenting on news posts and articles. Absolutely not for forums.


Now this is a better plan.

  • 04.22.2012 11:51 PM PDT

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  • 04.23.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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Giving free reign for the forums would be absolute madness in my opinion. Bungie has made it difficult enough for the lazier trolls to not post by adding limitations to account creation and wait times. If this could be bypassed I'm sure it would be abused. I like the idea of commenting on the news posts and articles as long as a few moderators glanced over it from time to time to ensure it wasn't being mistreated.
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: zoobkillerninja
Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Sure, why not, but solely for commenting on news posts and articles. Absolutely not for forums.

Now this is a better plan.

I posted the same thing 2 pages back :(
This isn't about who had the idea first, pal. He was agreeing with the idea, not the person.
I'll give YOU something to agree with!

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  • 04.23.2012 12:14 AM PDT
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I think that everyone should only be able to post on the forums if they create a Bungie.net account. I however could see people with Facebook and Twitter accounts wanting to comment on news articles on Bnet, so I wouldn't mind having a comment system (like the system for the files on Bnet) that would be available to everyone with/without a Bnet account. This is obviously all just my opinion though.

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  • 04.23.2012 8:15 AM PDT

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It would be very useful, but having different login from different website might create an identity issue. For example, I could be Some random dude using this WLID, and then I could be Something else using Facebook, which would cause more problems that just having a single account.

Another problem lies, is that if someone account got hijacked or stolen, the hijacker can steal the account's previous information by looking up the login information, such as facebook, twitter, and other reliable login source.

Another thing, if we allow people from another website to create a "Temporary" account, it would undoubtful cause a massive spam affiliated with another website in both terms of temporary account creation and replies.


Short answer; No, Let them create an account on Bungie.net if they want to reply.

  • 04.23.2012 9:26 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Yes.

No account, no fun.

  • 04.23.2012 10:07 AM PDT

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You want a reason? Um..k. Think about it. There's going to be a flood of "anons" When "anons" post there is zero acountability for their posting. So that means when a bunch of spamming occurs how are you going to prevent it and how are you going to ban that user? It would require alot more ninjas to counter act all the new problems this site would have.

[Edited on 04.23.2012 10:47 AM PDT]

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Posted by: dazarobbo
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It has potential, but I don't see what is so hard about just making a profile.
To create a profile here (presently) you have to essentially create two: A WLID and a Bungie.net account. That is yet another pair of login details that someone has to remember when they could be using one of their existing accounts from another site/provider.

You don't necessarily have to make two accounts. You can make the B.net account without even bothering to set up a WLID. There are plenty of people on this site that don't have XBL accounts linked to their B.net accounts.

  • 04.23.2012 2:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: mister death
You want a reason? Um..k. Think about it. There's going to be a flood of "anons" When "anons" post there is zero acountability for their posting. So that means when a bunch of spamming occurs how are you going to prevent it and how are you going to ban that user? It would require alot more ninjas to counter act all the new problems this site would have.

It's not like they can't ban the person's Facebook or Twitter accounts from posting until said ban is over. The system will have a way of banning the linked FB/Tw accounts without any damage to their accounts other than maybe a writing on their wall saying, "You've been banned until --:--:-- time."

  • 04.23.2012 2:46 PM PDT

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Yes we should. We would probably end up like 4chan if we didn't.

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  • 04.23.2012 3:15 PM PDT

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I guess im sitting on the fence with this. I like the idea of more accessibility for members, but the hordes of "anonymous users" could make like a lot more difficult.

  • 04.23.2012 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
What about people who play Crimson? They already have to sign in with their Facebook accounts to view their stats here. So why not let them post [in the Crimson forum] using their Facebook accounts?



Perhaps, if you could make it only specific forums. You would see an increase in posts perhaps, and definitely an increase in forum users.


That might be something the Mods would want to talk about mostly, because it would make their job a bit more difficult.


Maybe the absolution of independent Halo forums could give way to a "Bungie Social Networking" forum of some sort. That would help consolidate users working from twitter, facebook, etc, etc.



My response is yes, but it should be limited to specific forums, and only if the Mod staff are up to keeping the streets clean. I don't want this to bring about another "Keep It Clean" crack down.

  • 04.23.2012 4:31 PM PDT

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You definatly need an account, how else can the Ninjas monitor the forum? Not having an account means it is impossible to ban someone, they can just get on another computer. makes it hard to trace too, unless your the goverment.

  • 04.23.2012 4:33 PM PDT

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Well, whatever the game is that Bungie will release will be on Xbox as well as other platforms. We know this much. So linked profiles make sense there if one is using Xbox.

If you are not using Xbox live as your gaming platform for Bungie's new game, will you be able to link your GT? Hopefully so via whatever platform you use other than Xbox live. This way people can get stats and post.

Being inviting also means being able to sign up in an easy fashion. In other words, keep it simple. Otherwise it will turn people away. To me, that is common sense.

As for not having to have a Bungie account, how can one be held accountable for for their actions if they can just post without consequences for breaking the rules? This would open the flood gates for forum bedlam.

While it is good to think outside the box, I think this one should stay inside the box. There is a lot we can do inside the box. It is a controlled environment, yet with a lot of freedom. Freedom within the scope of the rules set forth.

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  • 04.23.2012 5:04 PM PDT
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Positive vibes.

I like this idea, however I feel like it would be an easy way for people to slip past the moderators. :)

  • 04.24.2012 11:51 AM PDT

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