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Subject: Forerunner theory (long read)
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We can all agree that the forerunners were a by far a more superior race then both the humans and covenant.

The covenant have adapted forerunner technology to there own, but seem to have little of there own technical advances. They seem to be a small amount more technologically advanced then the humans, but only in adapting forerunner technology have they been able to do this.

The rings that the forerunners built are epic in size and are spread throughout the galaxy. Not only could nether the humans or covenant have built such large and "operational" tools, and if they could, how would they have gotten them spread apart so far? Did the Forerunners drag them to there locations? Think of how much time that would have taken. Pull them through slip space maybe? Perhaps, but that is also something I doubt ether the humans or covies could do or the covenant would have tried already after the destruction of the first ring. Maybe each ring has its own propulsion system, that part of the story has not yet been shown us. However, the simple fact that these rings are so large and so spaced apart is a good sign that they (the forerunners) are/were much more advanced then either of the two species that we know.

That established these are some of my thoughts on the forerunners, some things that I have theorized over the last few weeks, (and to the large number of you that have PMed me saying your still waiting this is a portion of what I have come to believe, and thank you my finger is feeling much better haha)

We have to ask why the forerunners went to such extremes to sanitize the galaxy, and why they made the flood in the first place. This advanced civilization made a parasite, a virus we'll say for what reason? We don’t know. What we do know is that they built the rings to sanitize the flood. So my question is this, why make a parasite in the first place? For war? Was there another civilization the forerunners where trying to wipe out? Or was it a way for the forerunners to be more efficient on the battle field? Could they have done this to themselves so that even after death they continued the fight? We don’t yet know. Could it have been a mistake, scientist working on something in a lab and there was an outbreak? That could have been a possibility too.

For whatever reason they built it (the flood), for some reason they decided that it was more important to destroy all life in the galaxy then to let the flood spread. This seems like an extremely desperate attempt; however the rings seem to lead us to think that the forerunners had lots of time and man power to build the Halos. If the Halos are only for wiping the galaxy clean of sentient life, then this seems unlikely a last resort attempt to win a battle doesn’t it? And how would that be winning a battle if all lives were lost? The Forerunners knew that "some day" a civilization (in our case, only the humans) would come across the rings, seen as its only humans that can activate them.

How could they have known this? That in some time in the distant future humans may need to activate the rings again?

I’m a gunna go coma cozy on you guys now.

What if, this ark that the forerunners built is not a ship, but a time machine? From the novels we know that the forerunners had crystals that would warp time, the humans found this to be true while in slip space with one of the crystals. What if the forerunners could control this ability to some extent, and did not die or get wiped out when the halos were activated the last time? What if they are somewhere else in time? GS tells the chief "Last time you asked me if I thought it was a good idea, my answer was yes, having considerable time to ponder your question, my answer has not changed." (Conversation to the MC on activating Halo - H:ce ) or along those lines... is it possible that when the MC gets to the arc that he travels back? This theory might even be agreed by those who see the similarities between the arc and the flood, and the ark and the flood theories. The arc being what actually "saved" this civilization, the forerunners.

This theory would also set the stage for Kelly to return in H3 or perhaps in a later novel.
This would also explain why Dr.H stole Kelly in the first place, if she knew the secrets to Halo, she would know what needed to be done to ensure the humans survived. We have to assume that Dr.H was briefed by Cortana on the files she took from Halo. This would also explain why Cortona knows that "this is the way the world ends" and says, she knows the chiefs future, "I know your past, I know your future," in the trailer.

So is it possible that the forerunners traveled back in time (to start over) trying to escape the flood only to die out at a later time, (but before we came along), or did the forerunners simply forget over time and we are their descendants? Could this war between the humans and covenant be the same war the Forerunners were fighting, the reason they built the flood…discuss.

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  • 06.02.2006 11:32 AM PDT
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i posted a similar thought the other day, but it was obscure and poorly written, but urs is clear, concise and fresh. love it. i agree that forerunners made flood. i too think for war, and their enemies were the prophets. i believe that this is why the prophets hate humanity so much, and call cheif "demon"
i love the time travel idea. it would add a monster of a twist to the story, and you made it tie in so well. im not sure, but i think the time travel could be a possibility.

"and this time, none of you will be left behind." (prophet of mercy)

i believe that mercy meant that this whole war has happened b4, and this is the prophets ideal time for revenge. but if the time travel idea is true, then its nothing more than a continuous loop- in 100,000 years MC will the same thing, for all eternity

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  • 06.02.2006 11:41 AM PDT
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Dude thats awesome. The time machine idea is great it somehow makes things fit together. I think they made it for war but for war with who?

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First and foremost, the Forerunners did not "build" the flood. They encountered them. Also I hate to break it to everyone, but chances are Bungie isn't going to use alot from the books in the game. The main reason being the vast majority of people haven't actually read the books and would be completely lost if suddenly all of this stuff came in from them. The time travel aspect however does seem to make sense with what GS said "Last time you asked me if it where my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your question my answer has not changed. The ring must be activated." However time cannot be repeating itself now in the fact that installation 04 was destroyed, and while the monitor is a smart machine I doubt he and the sentinals could ever rebuild a Halo. And just for kicks for everyone who says that humans are not the forerunner cosider this. On the Libary in the first game at one point GS talks about your gear and says you should put on a battlesuit (I don't remember the exact name of it) but that would imply that forerunner clothing would fit the physiology of a human does it not?

Good theory, alot of it doesn't add up, but I do agree that time travel could be possible. It still doesn't explain though how if all sentient life in the galaxy was eliminated how we could possibly be here. I like Bannas theory the most thus far, with the "re-seeding" idea.

Just my 2 cents (actualy with the length of this post I would say it's more like a dime =).)

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  • 06.02.2006 11:58 AM PDT

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okay so if everything went back in time then why are there still forerunner relics around???

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Your theory is almost pointless because you have no proof that the Forrunner created the flood.

  • 06.02.2006 12:09 PM PDT
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No, I think this theory is good- alot better then some of the other theories in these forums. One of the best, in fact. I agree, and i was thinking about the timetravel thing aswell, maybe that blast of light from the structure in the trailer sends the Chief back in time, who knows?

  • 06.02.2006 12:09 PM PDT
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Wow... very good theory.... I really think there will ne time travel in Halo 3. The flood I believe was a biological warfare weapon the Forrerunners used to maintain their space empire. Now we know that when a ring is activated the otheres respond accrodingly. However I think that when the ark is activated an energy shield forms allowing the Forrerunners to pass to another uninfected time in space. This is where I believe that the prophets got the idea of The Great Journey.

The Forrerunner leaders would say the Ark needed to be activated and such then the ark would be activated. Then the leaders of the Forrerunners could pass through this time machine and continue their reign in the galaxy. After a certain amount of thime the Forrerunners could pass through time and then take over new planets in the future. Now how do they just come out of the past and into the future: Well I believe that what we saw in the trailer (the burst of white light) opens up the energy field long eneough that the Forrerunners could pass through and into the future. Now when this happens they, with their superior tech would just dominate the palnet and move on, on, and on then the entire proceesed would be repeated. In my opinion at this time a shaky alliance will be made with the Humans and Covenant(Elietes, Grunts and Hunters) to save themselves from the Forrerunners.The others such as Truth and his brutes will attempt to side with the Forrerunner "god" and be killed by their own gods. Finally in short the Ark does not cause the deaths of sentient life itself but allows the Forrerunners to kill and control the galaxy. Just my two cents. Very good theory EliteSlapPer.

P.S. sry for any typos

  • 06.02.2006 12:11 PM PDT
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yah sure ... I was kinda comin up with that as I went along but the white light doesnt so much go insde the Ark as it just opens up a hole in time. Now about the time travel. I guess what I was trying to say is that the Ark activates a time machine type of thing allowing the forrerunners to pass through it and control new parts of the gakxy in the future. I think the Forrerunners were a very power hungry race and simply built the Ark to help them control the galaxy. I know this would cause the other rings to be activated but I believe the Ark also saves anything on the planet from dieing. The rings would kill everything else meaning there was nothing left for them to control. Finally the selected few Forrerunners would pass through time and contie their reign.... hope that clears everything up.

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In Halo 2 the arbiter asks the monitor what happened to those who built Halo. "they were killed, as planned" or something along those lines. The forerunner that built Halo are dead.

  • 06.02.2006 12:32 PM PDT
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I agree, the foreunners had to have been able to travel back in time. I'm guessing that the foreunners only found 1 species of intelligent life, (the humans). knowing that, they placed the artifact on coat dazzur, (on sigma octanus 4), the crystal on Reach, and the ark on Earth. The foreunners traveled back in time to do these things, because how could they have known the humans would occupy these planets? thus, it supports the time travel therory, because i find it hard to believe all these artifacts were on human planets by a freak accident.

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I just thought of someting. Maybe that Crystal with the time bending properties, is used to activite that structure, and thats whats used to send them back in time, or something along those lines. But the Humans have half of it, and the Covenant have half, and I dnt see them joining them up.

But maybe the light that came out of the structure was like that of the light coming out of the Hatch in Lost, it's finally been opened and theres a little forerunner waiting at the bottom, looking at the MC through a series of mirrors...

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In Halo 2 the arbiter asks the monitor what happened to those who built Halo. "they were killed, as planned" or something along those lines. The forerunner that built Halo are dead.

Yes but this doesn't nessicarily disprove the theory because if the Forerunner leaders were anything like human dictators of the past they would kill all the people who worked on the project so only they knew the secret of how to control/shut down/power up/activate the Halos they wouldn't have taken the chance of one of the worker selling the info. to thier enemies. Whoever they were.

  • 06.02.2006 1:04 PM PDT
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Your on to something there and I have to agree with what you say about the time traveling, and you never know maybe the forerunners activated the rings then used the crystal or crystals (depending on how many where produced) loaded up as many of the forerunners left and traveled back in time then started anew on the contient of Africa either they forgot that halo existed or made a drug that lasted long to make them forget. Then when it wore off then some people began seeing things that weren't humanly possible. This explains why the chief knows how to press buttons on halo doesn't know why.

  • 06.02.2006 2:34 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner theory (long read)

the forerunners have 6 fingers! on the arbiter level where you have to activate the elevator, there is a thing there that looks like a hand (that is the switch) and it has 6 fingers! well that doesn't point to anything; but well, the forerunners have 6 fingers!

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I have three things to say the armour is the MARK 2 the GS sais the other armour is the MARK 12, the time travel thing is good just one flaw there would be no rings no forerunner anything if they went back in time i think the crystals warp reality in someway, the Ark is a central control it controls the rings after the fail-safe goes off.

  • 06.02.2006 3:16 PM PDT