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Alright Im just about done here at work, wont be back again on-line probably for atleast 10 hours now, have a lot to do today.

Keep the ideas flowing.

If anyone posts anything in the next hour I might still respond but after that wont be for a while kids.

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  • 06.03.2006 2:22 AM PDT
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if you say the ark is a massive wormhole, the massive light thing... then that might explain the hole in the clouds above it, because if it did disrupt time, then it would disrupt everything in its field. There was an incident at antartica or the north pole where there was a circular storm. The explorers put a weather balloon inside and it shot up, when they pulled it back out the date read 60 years ago on the same day. The weather was complety disrupted, maybe its the same thing here, almost.

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if the forruners r r forfathers then y dont we have a religion based on them ya my point so i think god made everything and just put it there and that nothing is purple cause i just fell like making nothing purple and holy crap i cant see purple.that or the when the halos are activaed it opens a balck khole form another dimension taking the planet the forruners now live on and move it back to this dimension.that or the halos r some sort of prison to doom the frorunners to walk there suface for eternity becasue they made the flood because the forrunners r some sort of gang not a race so they made the flood to take over the planets but the plane back fired on the mand everything else is just a bhuge ass cover up story like the davinchii code.

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That is interesting...did they figure out why it did that?

If it came back and the clock read 60 years in the past...I wonder what kind of condition the ballon was in. Any more info?

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Posted by: freakhaloman
if the forruners r r forfathers then y dont we have a religion based on them ya my point so i think god made everything and just put it there and that nothing is purple cause i just fell like making nothing purple and holy crap i cant see purple.that or the when the halos are activaed it opens a balck khole form another dimension taking the planet the forruners now live on and move it back to this dimension.that or the halos r some sort of prison to doom the frorunners to walk there suface for eternity becasue they made the flood because the forrunners r some sort of gang not a race so they made the flood to take over the planets but the plane back fired on the mand everything else is just a bhuge ass cover up story like the davinchii code.


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the condition was a bit dirty thats all i think, i read it like 3 months ago, but you can probably find it somewhere on google. Im guessing the clouds above looked similar to the clouds in the trailer

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I first thought that cortona knowing the MCs future might have something to do with her being liked to the gravemind.

[Edited on 6/3/2006]

  • 06.03.2006 6:30 AM PDT

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yes very good theory and a brilliant spin on the "when i asked you before you said yes" or whatever tat idiot lightbulb said. but i don't think bungie are going to include anything from the books in the actual game plot.

still a very good theory.

  • 06.03.2006 10:24 AM PDT

I AM THE CHAMPION, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS

remember wen u mentioned flood were maybe made for war? probably the forerunners made them to engulf enemies but then maybe they went crazy from continously getting hosts so they wanted to tae over every type of sentinent life so the forerunners [who predicted this] activated their defence plan which is halo to wipe em all out

  • 06.03.2006 5:16 PM PDT

I AM THE CHAMPION, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS

also... remember on the 1st halo? sgt johnsons entire platoon was killed except for him and keyes{who was killed later on] but johnson some how survived the onslaught by himself so maybe they left him alone for some reason ?

  • 06.03.2006 5:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Twelve Large
So Guilty Spark knows that the rings have been activated twice.. But Pentient Tangent doesn't? Why? Are you now going to say Pentient Tangent didn't travel through time too?


No both of them know its been activated once. But they know it must be activated again because the flood has been let loose in the past as well (that was not the plan). They both traveled back in time, but at this point the rings have only been activated once, and it was in the future.


Have you even played through Halo or Halo 2? Guilty Spark "thinks" he remembers the Chief activating the rings. Let's just assume he did activate them - somewhere else in time. And this is why Guilty Spark says what he does. In Halo 2, Guilty Spark mentions that his creators activated the rings. MC is not his Creator. So that means Guilty Spark remembers his creators activating the rings (play Halo 2) and dying as planned, and 343 also remembers the Chief activiating the ring (play Halo). That is two separate events. Two activations of the Rings. And Guilty Spark remembers all about it.

Now go back and read your post, because it doesn't make any sense. (it's not "sence," kids)

And if the "rings" travel through time, like you wanted to make up later to "patch" your socks.. Then they would know they've been activated twice. AI's don't forget this stuff when you die.

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oh...my....god. this is the best theory i have ever heard. you rock dude

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question: how can the story conclude or "the world end" when we can just travel back in time?

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One, why would an advanced species such as the forerunner "evolve" into a lesser species such as humans? They don't, being that evolution is one of the most flawed scientific theories of man kind. And they wouldn't just forget who they are. Secondly, if we on earth can build ships that can reach Halo, than the forerunner before they "lost" their memory could have also easily built a ship to reach a Halo. Thirdly why would they bring the Halos back with them full of flood? The flood are already on the halos, so they go back in time to escape the very enemy they brought with them? Also the whole AI traveling back thing is very flawed. Why you might ask? I shall enlighten you. an AI is a computer, programmed. It doesn't just lose it's memory over time, it doesn't develope Alzheimers, it wouldn't look at chief (who if you're correct would be an evolved forerunner who as you stated is differnt looking than a forerunner) and say "gee you are the exact same person that activated me before, though I haven't seen your face, you have broken every bit of protocol and couldn't possibly be a forerunner, you have no idea what's going on, what Halo is, or why we are here." Also as has been stated why would they travel back in time? They could just go forward, not run the risk of a never ending cycle of stupidity, and easily "reclaim" their empire. If they are power hungry as you seem to suggest and don't care about having the rest of all life in the universe serve them, then traveling in the future would be much more convenient would it not?

And how can any of you say that the covenant can't operate forunner technology? THEY GOT A BIG *** FRAKING SHIP AND IT SEEMS TO RUN PRETTY GOOD DON'T IT?

Now how about everyone start using some common sense, wait for the game, and see what happens?

EDIT: And just for everyon who seems to think the forerunner created the flood let me ask you this? If they created them in which case they would have to know everything there is to know about their biological make up, why then would they not be able to build the Halo's to specificaly target the floods genentics? And why would they need to keep them for study why they already know all there is to know about them?

Ding Ding Ding, common sense round 2.

[Edited on 6/3/2006]

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Posted by: Twelve Large
Posted by: EliteSlapPer
Posted by: Twelve Large
So Guilty Spark knows that the rings have been activated twice.. But Pentient Tangent doesn't? Why? Are you now going to say Pentient Tangent didn't travel through time too?


No both of them know its been activated once. But they know it must be activated again because the flood has been let loose in the past as well (that was not the plan). They both traveled back in time, but at this point the rings have only been activated once, and it was in the future.


Have you even played through Halo or Halo 2? Guilty Spark "thinks" he remembers the Chief activating the rings. Let's just assume he did activate them - somewhere else in time. And this is why Guilty Spark says what he does. In Halo 2, Guilty Spark mentions that his creators activated the rings. MC is not his Creator. So that means Guilty Spark remembers his creators activating the rings (play Halo 2) and dying as planned, and 343 also remembers the Chief activiating the ring (play Halo). That is two separate events. Two activations of the Rings. And Guilty Spark remembers all about it.

Now go back and read your post, because it doesn't make any sense. (it's not "sence," kids)

And if the "rings" travel through time, like you wanted to make up later to "patch" your socks.. Then they would know they've been activated twice. AI's don't forget this stuff when you die.


Not only do I think you have not played anything but Halo MP, but I really don’t think you have read a word I have said. You keep repeating the same questions and I keep spelling it out for you in a different way, I’m running out of ways of telling you. I have wrote it out in long form, short form, laymen’s terms and drawn a detailed timeline, to give you a visual. Seen as 95% of you are getting this, I’m going to have to count my loses and give up on you.

I have played threw H:ce campaign somewhere between 400 - 500 times, H2 probably around 75 times, I have read the novels twice each and have kept up with all the extras for three years. My devotion is not to Halo MP, but to the story, so if you do not know the stories ins and outs then there are lots of other threads with rambling jumble to post in.

That fact that you could even write,

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[quote]Posted by: Twelve Large
So Guilty Spark knows that the rings have been activated twice.. But Pentient Tangent doesn't? Why? Are you now going to say Pentient Tangent didn't travel through time too?


No both of them know its been activated once. But they know it must be activated again because the flood has been let loose in the past as well (that was not the plan). They both traveled back in time, but at this point the rings have only been activated once, and it was in the future.

How can you contradict yourself so poorly, and then expect me to take you seriously? Your like "so your saying GS knows the rings have been activated twice..." And then you quote me saying, and in bold I might add, "No both of them know its been activated once."?

I’m saying the rings will be activated twice (((2 times in total))), but so far they have only been activated once. This is where paying attention to the games story line would come in handy.

Some of you have valid points and I will get to them in an hour or so, but please make sure you take a look at the time line on page 3 of this thread, you will find it helpful to understanding my points. I do understand this takes some thought, and I am willing to be patent, but please do not ask me the same things over and over, read what others have said, and read my responses, so we are not traveling in circles.

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question: how can the story conclude or "the world end" when we can just travel back in time?


Good question, and it could mean several things. However, was Cortana talking about the world as in the planet earth? Or was she referring to its inhabitancies? Going by my theory, when the rings are activated, it will kill everything, accept those on the arc, which will escape into the future. This would leave all humans on earth dead. No more humans in the galaxy. I am suggesting that only two humans will be on the arc when it arrives back in the future, the MC and Kelly. They will have to travel past the point in the future that the Forerunners activated there rings by however long it takes the flood to starve, (that could take a while) we do not find this information out in the Maw which is where we learn some of the flood were kept for study.

So really, humans will have had there time in the galaxy as will the Forerunners, and they will both have died out, the MC and Kelly will be in the distant future (sometime after the forerunners activate there rings), so this would explain the world ending, the world as we know it would be gone.

  • 06.03.2006 9:45 PM PDT

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How can you contradict yourself so poorly, and then expect me to take you seriously? Your like "so your saying GS knows the rings have been activated twice..." And then you quote me saying, and in bold I might add, "No both of them know its been activated once."?

I’m saying the rings will be activated twice (((2 times in total))), but so far they have only been activated once. This is where paying attention to the games story line would come in handy.



You are the one that has contradicted yourself.

"No both of them know its been activated once"

Them = Monitors

You claim the Monitors and Rings travel through time. They are to stick around, follow containment procedures, and REMEBER! That's what they do. It's a good thing they don't DIE like us.

Your "entire" theory is built around 343's "memories" in Halo - Two Betrayals. In where he states "why would you hesitate to do what you've already done!"

He MUST be traveling through time! Right? How else could 343 know about the second activation before the Chief has even traveled through time? I've been following John up until this point in Halo since his birth. And he has yet to travel anywhere in time. Yet the Oracle knows something! It are these comments and memories that brought you here. That brought you to this conclusion about time travel!

Now.. Go read your comment again where you contradicted yourself by saying the Monitors only remember the rings being activated once in Halo and Halo 2. Cause, obviously, you're wrong. I'll just repeat it for you..

"No both of them know its been activated once."?

Yeah, tell that to 343 in the level Two Betrayals. Tell that to 343 in the level Great Journey. You are the only one contradicting yourself.

343 GUILTY SPARK:
Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?


343 GUILTY SPARK:
Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.


Considerable 100,000 year type time! Right? lol

ARBITER:
And those who made the rings? What happened to the Forerunners?


343 GUILTY SPARK:
After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died ...as planned.



Do you honestly still believe you haven't contradicted yourself big time? This is "proof" taken from the games that the Monitor known as 343 Guilty Spark has "memories" of TWO activations in the current timeline. Current timeline = Master Chiefs life from birth without timetravel = Halo and Halo 2. Where the Monitor's memories come from is anybodies guess, but don't try and tell me that I'm the one contradicting myself here.

I understand what you're trying to say with your time travel theory. The only problem is there are HUGE holes in your theory. There are HUGE holes in the timeline you put up on the art.com site. Do you want me to expose those holes too?

KISS






[Edited on 6/3/2006]

  • 06.03.2006 11:06 PM PDT

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EDIT: And just for everyon who seems to think the forerunner created the flood let me ask you this? If they created them in which case they would have to know everything there is to know about their biological make up, why then would they not be able to build the Halo's to specificaly target the floods genentics? And why would they need to keep them for study why they already know all there is to know about them?

Ding Ding Ding, common sense round 2.


They didn't create the Flood. God did. That said, the Forerunner(s) simply "encountered" the Flood. <- This is stated in the Art of Halo book sold at any Barnes and Noble across the country. We don't know if they decided to "alter" the Flood in any way like a Human would do. You know, for research - Medicinal or Weapon type purposes..

[Edited on 6/3/2006]

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Posted by: Wejneh
One, why would an advanced species such as the forerunner "evolve" into a lesser species such as humans? They don't, being that evolution is one of the most flawed scientific theories of man kind."

I agree with you 100%, there is little evolution in real life. The church has disprooved it, science has disprooved it. However, the word "evolution" is the word I have chosen to use to describe the transition of the Forerunners changing into humans. In the real world, (not the halo universe) the blood lines in the begining were pure, the first humans, lived hundreds of years, it has been a while since I brushed up on the book of Genisis, but you can see a stedy decline in the blood lines as humans became more and more imperfect. The proof of this is in how long they lived, men lived to be 800 years of age, and each generation was more impure then the last and peoples ages declined. It was not until modern medicine did people begin living longer lifes, this of coarse is not natual. If you took two people today, and tryed to populate the world with them, (yes incest) you would see a drastic decline in the ofspring and over time, you would see people had changed, they would live shorter lives, would not be as smart and so on.

But the same thing also happened in the Halo universe. The Forerunners, if stranded in our past (about 100000 years ago) without there resorces, would slowly begine to live shorter lives, without there own technology they would go into a form of resession, much like we probably would if you took away all the electronics and means to make medicine today. We would live shorter lives then we do now, and would essentualy have to start over with tech from nothing. Who here can build a computer with nothing but wood and rock? They may have been faced with the same problem after crashing here on earth. If the Forerunners crashed the arc on earth, and could not return to there future (like I am suggesting the MC will do) then they would have done the best they could with what they had here on earth. 100000 years pass and here we are. Do we know what humans were doing a 100000 years ago...some of them were drawing UFOs in caves, but for the most, we dont know, the world as they knew it back then has ended.

The rest I will go threw quicker.

"And they wouldn't just forget who they are. Secondly, if we on earth can build ships that can reach Halo, than the forerunner before they "lost" their memory could have also easily built a ship to reach a Halo."

They wouldnt have had to make it as far as Halo, just far enough to find the crystal fragments that were spred out threwout the human colonies (which wouldnt have been human colonies back then but it gives you and idea of how far they would have had to travel.)
There was no rescue mission planned, nobody was comming from the future to pick them up, as far as we know or have been told, there is only one arc and the Forerunners on that arc were the last hope. Im saying they crashed on earth and did not have the means to travel and find the missing keys needed to travel into the future. Think of the PofA crashing on halo, there is no chance that ship is going to be space worthy again, they have some small ships on board, pelicans, bombers (cant think of the black stelthy ships at the moment) But what if the arc didnt have any other ships on it, or any ships capable of traveling to where the crystals were lost? They would be stranded.

"Thirdly why would they bring the Halos back with them full of flood? The flood are already on the halos, so they go back in time to escape the very enemy they brought with them?"

I didnt say that, but you are correct, there were flood on Halo, accept they were contained there. I would asume the reason they (the forerunners) activated the ring was because the flood was not contained. They took a sample (flood forms) and brought them back with them
to study. I posted that they probably did this so that they could figure out how long it would take for them to die. They would need to know this if they were going to travel into the future (some time after they had origonaly activated the rings) to make sure they did not return to a time where flood were still around. Remember, the halos dont kill the flood, they kill its food. When the forerunners activated there halos, it killed the floods food, however the flood would not have died right away, they would have had to starve, that piriod of time from the activation of the halos to the time the flood starved would be crutial to knowing how far into the future they would need to go. The Forerunners did not plan to get stranded in our past, that is why GS says, keeping some for study had been a mistake. Although meny things look like mistakes after you see what you should have done right. I should have taken the 401 hwy to work insted of the QEW, if I had I would not have gotten stuck in trafic because of an unforseen accedent. It was a mistake...but you had no way of knowing. Unforseen events often change the coarse of out plans, and often we look back and see desisions as mistakes...understand?

"Also the whole AI traveling back thing is very flawed. Why you might ask? I shall enlighten you. an AI is a computer, programmed. It doesn't just lose it's memory over time, it doesn't develope Alzheimers, it wouldn't look at chief (who if you're correct would be an evolved forerunner who as you stated is differnt looking than a forerunner) and say "gee you are the exact same person that activated me before, though I haven't seen your face, you have broken every bit of protocol and couldn't possibly be a forerunner, you have no idea what's going on, what Halo is, or why we are here."

Computers break down all the time. They loose there memory, have malfunctions. Take a look at both GS and Cortana, both are AI, both very crazy. Did they start that way? No.
GS has been left alone for 100000 years...and as we clearly see in the Library, he is not an AI without flaws. Cortana as she consumes more and more info, breaks down. She will eventualy die. In GS case, he was probably programed to reconize DNA, and seen as humans would have Forerunner DNA strains as well, he reconizes them as the ones who should be there. That is why he is so confused by the fact that humans know nothing. He remembers everything that happened and what the plan was, but we dont...after 100000 years this is all new to us.

"Also as has been stated why would they travel back in time? They could just go forward, not run the risk of a never ending cycle of stupidity, and easily "reclaim" their empire. If they are power hungry as you seem to suggest and don't care about having the rest of all life in the universe serve them, then traveling in the future would be much more convenient would it not?"

Yes it would, but as I said, they probably didnt know how long it would take for the flood to starve themselfs out. They could have set the timer for say 10,000 years in the future, activated the ring and traveled to a future where the flood were not starved out. This is a chance they would not have been willing to take considering the last of there kind (last of the forerunners) were on that arc. If they had came back too early and then have crashed the arc, and had been consumed by the flood all would have been lost. Chances are, they did not want to jump to a time where they knew the flood would not be, say a million years ahead, that would have been a safe bet right, but then what other things would they have to deal with in a distant future they knew nothing about. By going into the past and conducting there study of the flood, it was safe...they already knew that in the future the rings had been used. By going into the past, they knew they would be safe to do there study from any other threats. What they would have wanted to do is travel to a future where the flood had just recently starved themselfs out, this would make for little missing time, and put them close to there actual time. If you were to travel into the past, with the plan to return to the future, it would be safer to return to a time closer to your own time period and not so far into the future that you might face a new threat. They wanted to re-clame there dominance of the galaxy at the earliest stage possable, that would be the logical thing to do, so before jumping to any time, they thought doing a contained study would be smart and safe. As it turned out, things did not go as planned.

"And how can any of you say that the covenant can't operate forunner technology? THEY GOT A BIG *** FRAKING SHIP AND IT SEEMS TO RUN PRETTY GOOD DON'T IT?"

Yes, they have stolen tech, they can use some of it...but the covies cant activate the rings, and I would asume...they cant activate the arc eather.

"Now how about everyone start using some common sense, wait for the game, and see what happens?"

Personaly I cant wait for the game, but as I said a while ago, Im a problem solver and love to try and figure things out, I do the same with movies...and Im pritty good at it. I could be bang on with this, some things might be slightly diferent, I could be totaly wrong, however no other theory ties everything together as well as mine does. So far that I have seen anyways. And actualy, a lot of the other theories coinside with my theory so, yes we will have to see. :)

EDIT: And just for everyon who seems to think the forerunner created the flood let me ask you this? If they created them in which case they would have to know everything there is to know about their biological make up, why then would they not be able to build the Halo's to specificaly target the floods genentics? And why would they need to keep them for study why they already know all there is to know about them?

Viruses change. Look at AIDs, humans made it, now its changed& we cant cure it.
Ding Ding Ding, common sense round 2.

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Posted by: Twelve Large
Posted by: EliteSlapPer

How can you contradict yourself so poorly, and then expect me to take you seriously? Your like "so your saying GS knows the rings have been activated twice..." And then you quote me saying, and in bold I might add, "No both of them know its been activated once."?

I’m saying the rings will be activated twice (((2 times in total))), but so far they have only been activated once. This is where paying attention to the games story line would come in handy.



You are the one that has contradicted yourself.

"No both of them know its been activated once"

Them = Monitors

You claim the Monitors and Rings travel through time. They are to stick around, follow containment procedures, and REMEBER! That's what they do. It's a good thing they don't DIE like us.

Your "entire" theory is built around 343's "memories" in Halo - Two Betrayals. In where he states "why would you hesitate to do what you've already done!"

He MUST be traveling through time! Right? How else could 343 know about the second activation before the Chief has even traveled through time? I've been following John up until this point in Halo since his birth. And he has yet to travel anywhere in time. Yet the Oracle knows something! It are these comments and memories that brought you here. That brought you to this conclusion about time travel!

Now.. Go read your comment again where you contradicted yourself by saying the Monitors only remember the rings being activated once in Halo and Halo 2. Cause, obviously, you're wrong. I'll just repeat it for you..

"No both of them know its been activated once."?

Yeah, tell that to 343 in the level Two Betrayals. Tell that to 343 in the level Great Journey. You are the only one contradicting yourself.

343 GUILTY SPARK:
Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?


343 GUILTY SPARK:
Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed.


Considerable 100,000 year type time! Right? lol

ARBITER:
And those who made the rings? What happened to the Forerunners?


343 GUILTY SPARK:
After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died ...as planned.



Do you honestly still believe you haven't contradicted yourself big time? This is "proof" taken from the games that the Monitor known as 343 Guilty Spark has "memories" of TWO activations in the current timeline. Current timeline = Master Chiefs life from birth without timetravel = Halo and Halo 2. Where the Monitor's memories come from is anybodies guess, but don't try and tell me that I'm the one contradicting myself here.

I understand what you're trying to say with your time travel theory. The only problem is there are HUGE holes in your theory. There are HUGE holes in the timeline you put up on the art.com site. Do you want me to expose those holes too?

KISS






Why do you keep saying the halos has been activated twice? They have only been activated once, the one time the halos were activated, is the only time the monitors remember it happening. Do you not relize when the monitor is talking about when Halo was activated in the past....technicly he is talking about when they were activated in the future? 343 was with the forerunners when they traveled back, and he has been around 100000 years past that point...this is all past to him, that includes whatever time he spent in the future, before the arc went into the past. This is all past to him, HIS PAST, not the correct order of how events should be remembered. If I traveled into the past...everything that Ive done up until this point, would still be my past...but it would be future to everyone else. If I told someone in the year 1900 that there would be two world wars in the next 30 years, they would ask me how I knew that, and I would say, because it is a part of MY PAST, therfor it is your future.

Before the rings were activated, the forerunners traveled to the past. 100000 years go by, and now 343 tells the MC that they need to be activated again, but this has not yet happened.
The forerunners activated the rings in the future, the MC will activate them as well in the past, but up until this point, nobody in the games or books has said the halos have been used twice. They have only said that is what must be done to starve the flood.

Why doesnt 343 just say, some of my past is your distant future MC? Because that would be telling us too much of the story. A good story should give you enough to make guess's without giving it all away.

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And hey Wejneh, sorry my post got all messed up but I didnt have time to go threw and separate properly what you said, and my answers, but I answered everything you asked, and just put "" around what you said.

Also I totaly used up all the chars so I cant even go back in a fix it haha...never used them all before, wow. :)--~

At the bottom it wouldnt let me finnish my last word, so I had to take out "and" and stick a "&" in just to finnish my sentince haha.

Ok everyone, I have got to get some work done. But will be back later.

  • 06.04.2006 12:09 AM PDT

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Hey, slapper.. Could you write up a deeper timeline? Don't worry about dates.. What I'm lookin' for is just an explanation of events in the order they take place. example:

Forerunners Activate Rings
Galaxy is Cleansed
Those on Ark Travel Back in time - 100,000 Years
The Rings and Monitors Are Also Carried Back in Time.
As Time Passes - Memories Are Magically Lost In the Darkness
Forerunners Become Human Forerunner: Devovled
Master Chief is Born
Master Chief Lands On Alpha Halo
Guilty Spark Meets MC for the "First" Time

I can't explain any of the contradictions that take place here. Too many Holes.
Unexplainable Events take place..

Rings our Eventually Activated 2nd Time
Galaxy is Cleansed.
Master Chief is on the Ark - Travels back in time after 2nd Activation.
Master Chief is Mortal. So he would die somewhere after the 2nd Activation.
Memories are lost in the Darkness once again.
Master Chief is Born again, I guess.
Master Chief lands on Alpha Halo again, I guess.
Guilty Spark meets Master Chief for the Second Time.
This is where Guilty Spark Remembers the Master Chief - And we talk "past and future"
Chief is like "Huh? I don't know you, yo."
Master Chief Destroys Ring with Cortana's Help
Guilty Spark is all like "Damn, that wasn't supposed to happen!" lol
Halo 2 Takes Place
Halo 3
Master Chief Ends Up on Ark Again
Rings Are Activated 3rd Time
Galaxy Cleansed
Master Chief Travels Back in Time Again
He Dies
Memories Are Lost
He is Born Again - Without Memories
He wants to land on Alpha Halo
Did 343 Use any Monkeys to build another one?

Correct me, if I'm wrong.. And, please, KISS. Kiss = Keep it simple stupid. Try not to keep each event short enough so it doesn't need to take up more than one line of text. Thanks.

Does histroy really repeat itself? I doubt it..





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Posted by: Twelve Large
Posted by: Wejneh
EDIT: And just for everyon who seems to think the forerunner created the flood let me ask you this? If they created them in which case they would have to know everything there is to know about their biological make up, why then would they not be able to build the Halo's to specificaly target the floods genentics? And why would they need to keep them for study why they already know all there is to know about them?

Ding Ding Ding, common sense round 2.


They didn't create the Flood. God did. That said, the Forerunner(s) simply "encountered" the Flood. <- This is stated in the Art of Halo book sold at any Barnes and Noble across the country. We don't know if they decided to "alter" the Flood in any way like a Human would do. You know, for research - Medicinal or Weapon type purposes..


This may be true, I already said it was possable (but I didnt think thats exactly how the flood came to be) But still, eather way, weather the Forerunners made the flood, flood made the flood, someone else made the flood (gravemind maybe)...it doesnt matter, doesnt change the fact that they came to be. And yes, god did make the flood as he foresees everything that happens. He put the idea in someones head to make the flood, he saw that it happened, and it would have happened as he had planned. But thats taking reality into the game, and I doubt that Bungie will add real Christian aspects into there game...concidering there are no religus posts allowed here. But what you said, if the halo universe was real, God making the flood would be a given. But he didnt snap his fingers and poof, theres flood...he made the desision, and someone or something made it happen. But lets not get into Gods will...and how that acts out, doesnt have much to do with my theory. So lets not all get banned tonight, we have good points posted, lets not loose them.

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Hey, alternate theory time:

Forerunners created the flood to extend their life. Proof? The flood cells in Johnson's body cause him to have highly regenerative abilities. Is it not a possibility that the forerunners were looking for a way to live for a very long time? Overpopulation isn't really a problem. They can travel all across the galaxy to put up the rings, why not colonize a bunch of planets!

Also, the rings were meant as a containment installation. Like, last resort containment. Imagine this:

You create a parasite that's designed to increase your life span and make it so that you dont get old. But oops, during the process, studies show that the parasite is completely unstable and on top of that, they have the capability to spread like wildfire consuming all life in the UNIVERSE.

Obviously, scientists hardly ever give up on projects they've spent considerable time on, so the project wasn't entirely abandoned. It was continued on the Halo rings where the flood could be studied. But oops again, something went wrong. An outbreak occured and flood began to spread across the installation (Halo). While the flood took over and consumed life on the surface, Forerunner personel began containment protocols. Sealing up the remaining flood, and preparing the Halo for it's firing sequence.

They price that all the life in the galaxy would be forced to pay, wouldn't compare to the price the UNIVERSE in it's entirety would have to pay if the forerunners let the Flood escape. So, having no other choice, and consulting 343 Guilty Spark to make sure they were doing the right thing, the Halo rings were activated, and all life in the galaxy was destroyed.

But where life is erased, a barren land doesn't exist. Life continued on a microscopic scale at the very least. Creatures without sufficient biomass to sustain the Floods' Hunger continued to live and prosper. 100,000 years later, when life has returned to the Galaxy, conflict begins.

The Covenant absorb technology and call themselves "advanced". The Humans create technology, but call themselves advanced as well. But in the end, something created over a hundred thousand years ago; something that was never meant to be left unattended, will decide the fates of both sides of this galactic war.

"I have seen your future.
And I have learned.

There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy. " -Cortana

Perhaps, our fates have already been decided. Perhaps we were never meant to be.

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Posted by: Twelve Large
Hey, slapper.. Could you write up a deeper timeline? Don't worry about dates.. What I'm lookin' for is just an explanation of events in the order they take place. example:

Forerunners Activate Rings
Galaxy is Cleansed
Those on Ark Travel Back in time - 100,000 Years
The Rings and Monitors Are Also Carried Back in Time.
As Time Passes - Memories Are Magically Lost In the Darkness
Forerunners Become Human Forerunner: Devovled
Master Chief is Born
Master Chief Lands On Alpha Halo
Guilty Spark Meets MC for the "First" Time


This is all right...accept we dont know how far back they traveled back. The part I made bold is unknown, but it must be greater then 100 000 years. If they traveled back 100 000 years, then devolved as you said for 100 000 years, that would put them back to the same time as they left right? I think they are from further in the future.

To make it easy say the Forerunners are from the year 50 000 AD (Im saying this as an example, they are more advanced then we are) , they go back in time to about 100000 BC. How much time was lost is unknown, but in this case 150 000 years.

From 100 000 BC, (forerunners devolve into humans durring this time) 102 500 years go by and here is the MC on Halo.

Is this part clear now? This is why GS is so mad when the MC trys to destroy the PofA and says, "Why would you try and destroy this record of all our lost time?" he is talking about that 102 500 years that he was on halo by himself.

I will go threw the rest of your time line in a bit, I really have to get some work done now, but this first part you got real damn close. Thanks :)

  • 06.04.2006 12:43 AM PDT