- last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT
Posted by: Wejneh
One, why would an advanced species such as the forerunner "evolve" into a lesser species such as humans? They don't, being that evolution is one of the most flawed scientific theories of man kind."
I agree with you 100%, there is little evolution in real life. The church has disprooved it, science has disprooved it. However, the word "evolution" is the word I have chosen to use to describe the transition of the Forerunners changing into humans. In the real world, (not the halo universe) the blood lines in the begining were pure, the first humans, lived hundreds of years, it has been a while since I brushed up on the book of Genisis, but you can see a stedy decline in the blood lines as humans became more and more imperfect. The proof of this is in how long they lived, men lived to be 800 years of age, and each generation was more impure then the last and peoples ages declined. It was not until modern medicine did people begin living longer lifes, this of coarse is not natual. If you took two people today, and tryed to populate the world with them, (yes incest) you would see a drastic decline in the ofspring and over time, you would see people had changed, they would live shorter lives, would not be as smart and so on.
But the same thing also happened in the Halo universe. The Forerunners, if stranded in our past (about 100000 years ago) without there resorces, would slowly begine to live shorter lives, without there own technology they would go into a form of resession, much like we probably would if you took away all the electronics and means to make medicine today. We would live shorter lives then we do now, and would essentualy have to start over with tech from nothing. Who here can build a computer with nothing but wood and rock? They may have been faced with the same problem after crashing here on earth. If the Forerunners crashed the arc on earth, and could not return to there future (like I am suggesting the MC will do) then they would have done the best they could with what they had here on earth. 100000 years pass and here we are. Do we know what humans were doing a 100000 years ago...some of them were drawing UFOs in caves, but for the most, we dont know, the world as they knew it back then has ended.
The rest I will go threw quicker.
"And they wouldn't just forget who they are. Secondly, if we on earth can build ships that can reach Halo, than the forerunner before they "lost" their memory could have also easily built a ship to reach a Halo."
They wouldnt have had to make it as far as Halo, just far enough to find the crystal fragments that were spred out threwout the human colonies (which wouldnt have been human colonies back then but it gives you and idea of how far they would have had to travel.)
There was no rescue mission planned, nobody was comming from the future to pick them up, as far as we know or have been told, there is only one arc and the Forerunners on that arc were the last hope. Im saying they crashed on earth and did not have the means to travel and find the missing keys needed to travel into the future. Think of the PofA crashing on halo, there is no chance that ship is going to be space worthy again, they have some small ships on board, pelicans, bombers (cant think of the black stelthy ships at the moment) But what if the arc didnt have any other ships on it, or any ships capable of traveling to where the crystals were lost? They would be stranded.
"Thirdly why would they bring the Halos back with them full of flood? The flood are already on the halos, so they go back in time to escape the very enemy they brought with them?"
I didnt say that, but you are correct, there were flood on Halo, accept they were contained there. I would asume the reason they (the forerunners) activated the ring was because the flood was not contained. They took a sample (flood forms) and brought them back with them
to study. I posted that they probably did this so that they could figure out how long it would take for them to die. They would need to know this if they were going to travel into the future (some time after they had origonaly activated the rings) to make sure they did not return to a time where flood were still around. Remember, the halos dont kill the flood, they kill its food. When the forerunners activated there halos, it killed the floods food, however the flood would not have died right away, they would have had to starve, that piriod of time from the activation of the halos to the time the flood starved would be crutial to knowing how far into the future they would need to go. The Forerunners did not plan to get stranded in our past, that is why GS says, keeping some for study had been a mistake. Although meny things look like mistakes after you see what you should have done right. I should have taken the 401 hwy to work insted of the QEW, if I had I would not have gotten stuck in trafic because of an unforseen accedent. It was a mistake...but you had no way of knowing. Unforseen events often change the coarse of out plans, and often we look back and see desisions as mistakes...understand?
"Also the whole AI traveling back thing is very flawed. Why you might ask? I shall enlighten you. an AI is a computer, programmed. It doesn't just lose it's memory over time, it doesn't develope Alzheimers, it wouldn't look at chief (who if you're correct would be an evolved forerunner who as you stated is differnt looking than a forerunner) and say "gee you are the exact same person that activated me before, though I haven't seen your face, you have broken every bit of protocol and couldn't possibly be a forerunner, you have no idea what's going on, what Halo is, or why we are here."
Computers break down all the time. They loose there memory, have malfunctions. Take a look at both GS and Cortana, both are AI, both very crazy. Did they start that way? No.
GS has been left alone for 100000 years...and as we clearly see in the Library, he is not an AI without flaws. Cortana as she consumes more and more info, breaks down. She will eventualy die. In GS case, he was probably programed to reconize DNA, and seen as humans would have Forerunner DNA strains as well, he reconizes them as the ones who should be there. That is why he is so confused by the fact that humans know nothing. He remembers everything that happened and what the plan was, but we dont...after 100000 years this is all new to us.
"Also as has been stated why would they travel back in time? They could just go forward, not run the risk of a never ending cycle of stupidity, and easily "reclaim" their empire. If they are power hungry as you seem to suggest and don't care about having the rest of all life in the universe serve them, then traveling in the future would be much more convenient would it not?"
Yes it would, but as I said, they probably didnt know how long it would take for the flood to starve themselfs out. They could have set the timer for say 10,000 years in the future, activated the ring and traveled to a future where the flood were not starved out. This is a chance they would not have been willing to take considering the last of there kind (last of the forerunners) were on that arc. If they had came back too early and then have crashed the arc, and had been consumed by the flood all would have been lost. Chances are, they did not want to jump to a time where they knew the flood would not be, say a million years ahead, that would have been a safe bet right, but then what other things would they have to deal with in a distant future they knew nothing about. By going into the past and conducting there study of the flood, it was safe...they already knew that in the future the rings had been used. By going into the past, they knew they would be safe to do there study from any other threats. What they would have wanted to do is travel to a future where the flood had just recently starved themselfs out, this would make for little missing time, and put them close to there actual time. If you were to travel into the past, with the plan to return to the future, it would be safer to return to a time closer to your own time period and not so far into the future that you might face a new threat. They wanted to re-clame there dominance of the galaxy at the earliest stage possable, that would be the logical thing to do, so before jumping to any time, they thought doing a contained study would be smart and safe. As it turned out, things did not go as planned.
"And how can any of you say that the covenant can't operate forunner technology? THEY GOT A BIG *** FRAKING SHIP AND IT SEEMS TO RUN PRETTY GOOD DON'T IT?"
Yes, they have stolen tech, they can use some of it...but the covies cant activate the rings, and I would asume...they cant activate the arc eather.
"Now how about everyone start using some common sense, wait for the game, and see what happens?"
Personaly I cant wait for the game, but as I said a while ago, Im a problem solver and love to try and figure things out, I do the same with movies...and Im pritty good at it. I could be bang on with this, some things might be slightly diferent, I could be totaly wrong, however no other theory ties everything together as well as mine does. So far that I have seen anyways. And actualy, a lot of the other theories coinside with my theory so, yes we will have to see. :)
EDIT: And just for everyon who seems to think the forerunner created the flood let me ask you this? If they created them in which case they would have to know everything there is to know about their biological make up, why then would they not be able to build the Halo's to specificaly target the floods genentics? And why would they need to keep them for study why they already know all there is to know about them?
Viruses change. Look at AIDs, humans made it, now its changed& we cant cure it.
Ding Ding Ding, common sense round 2.