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Subject: After seeing Halo 4, I love Reach.

How does Bungie know just what to do to get my heart racing?

I'll never understand.


Posted by: Not Sure
After playing Halo 4, I love Reach.
After playing Reach, I love Halo 3.
After playing Halo 3, I love Halo 2.

ffs


No love for ODST :(

  • 04.27.2012 2:10 AM PDT

/s

Wow, all of you who agreed with him is retarded.

  • 04.27.2012 2:46 AM PDT

Awww man you played it already? Can I have your copy?

  • 04.27.2012 4:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: CrazyT
I agree. Bungie Halos are the best Halo games.


The only true answer.

  • 04.27.2012 6:53 AM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent


Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: burritosenior
Yeah man, I just HATE that game I haven't played yet
You don't have to play a game to assume how good or bad it'll be.


And we all know how amazing assumptions turn out now dont we?

Seriously, after seeing the posts by the play tester recently, i have actually had my faith restored in it.

Still, some things concern me...

  • 04.27.2012 6:59 AM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.


Posted by: SilentA98

Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: burritosenior
Yeah man, I just HATE that game I haven't played yet
You don't have to play a game to assume how good or bad it'll be.


And we all know how amazing assumptions turn out now dont we?

Seriously, after seeing the posts by the play tester recently, i have actually had my faith restored in it.

Still, some things concern me...



People complained about bloom and armor abilities at first sight.

...just sayin'

  • 04.27.2012 7:02 AM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent

True, but what says they cant work in halo 4?

  • 04.27.2012 7:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: SilentA98
True, but what says they cant work in halo 4?


Because some people are scared of the "R" word.

  • 04.27.2012 7:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Not Sure
After playing Halo 4, I love Reach.
After playing Reach, I love Halo 3.
After playing Halo 3, I love Halo 2.

ffs


Know why this happens?

It's because they consistently make the game worse every time they release a new one.

  • 04.27.2012 7:27 AM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent


Posted by: WolfSpirit

Posted by: SilentA98
True, but what says they cant work in halo 4?


Because some people are scared of the "R" word.


Yup. Dont forget the "C" word.

  • 04.27.2012 7:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: Mikelp_1
People complained about bloom and armor abilities at first sight.

...just sayin'
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.

  • 04.27.2012 7:54 AM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.


Posted by: SilentA98
True, but what says they cant work in halo 4?


The problem with concepts such as bloom is that they add an insane amount of inconsistency to the game and the determining factor that puts your skills to the test is luck itself. Players should be fighting other players; they shouldn't be fighting the game's mechanics. When inconsistency and luck affects players, it makes them feel cheated and it isn't fair to punish players that are better at aiming. Although, from what I have heard, the DMR bloom only affects it at considerably long range because it resets INCREDIBLY quickly; that's not too bad because cross-mapping weapons isn't very balanced.

A definitive problem with H4 is that they're trying to let players customize their abilities and weapons too much. IMO, a good competitive game is symmetric on all levels; players are treated 100% the same and the only way to gain advantages is to earn them in the match (via gaining map control, grabbing weapons before the enemy, equipment, etc...). Halo Reach and H4 completely screw with that ideology by letting players start with a huge array of abilities that cancel each other out, giving players the option to choose abilities that will save their lives. This turns the game into rocks paper scissors because it is all about hoping that your ability will cancel out the enemy's ability and save your life/condemn the enemy rather than having the players rely on their skill alone to save themselves.

  • 04.27.2012 7:54 AM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.


Posted by: P3P5I
Posted by: Mikelp_1
People complained about bloom and armor abilities at first sight.

...just sayin'
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.



ha xD

Perfect representation :P

  • 04.27.2012 7:55 AM PDT


Posted by: P3P5I
Posted by: Mikelp_1
People complained about bloom and armor abilities at first sight.

...just sayin'
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.


I want ur baybees.

  • 04.27.2012 8:00 AM PDT

BLLASAHHH BLALAAHH!!! I LIKE PIIEE!! LAWWLL!!!


Posted by: Not Sure
After playing Halo 4, I love Reach.
After playing Reach, I love Halo 3.
After playing Halo 3, I love Halo 2.
After playing Halo 2, I love Halo: CE.
After playing Halo Wars, I love Halo 3: ODST.

ffs


Fixed.

  • 04.27.2012 8:00 AM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent


Posted by: Mikelp_1

Posted by: SilentA98
True, but what says they cant work in halo 4?


The problem with concepts such as bloom is that they add an insane amount of inconsistency to the game and the determining factor that puts your skills to the test is luck itself. Players should be fighting other players; they shouldn't be fighting the game's mechanics. When inconsistency and luck affects players, it makes them feel cheated and it isn't fair to punish players that are better at aiming. Although, from what I have heard, the DMR bloom only affects it at considerably long range because it resets INCREDIBLY quickly; that's not too bad because cross-mapping weapons isn't very balanced.

A definitive problem with H4 is that they're trying to let players customize their abilities and weapons too much. IMO, a good competitive game is symmetric on all levels; players are treated 100% the same and the only way to gain advantages is to earn them in the match (via gaining map control, grabbing weapons before the enemy, equipment, etc...). Halo Reach and H4 completely screw with that ideology by letting players start with a huge array of abilities that cancel each other out, giving players the option to choose abilities that will save their lives. This turns the game into rocks paper scissors because it is all about hoping that your ability will cancel out the enemy's ability and save your life/condemn the enemy rather than having the players rely on their skill alone to save themselves.


Finally, someone who puts forward a decent, well thought out argument.

The bloom on the DMR was said not to be too bad in halo 4 as far as Killa KC confirms. Magnum bloom is bad though. ANd while i agree with your sentiments on bloom, i dont find it to be overly hugfe of a problem. While it gets annoying at long range, so long as shots ar paced its fine. The real problem is random spread. This is a sever inconsitancy in any weapons (IE Halo 3 BR.)

I agree. I dont agree very well with the idea of customizable loadouts, especially when the utility weapon must be unlocked before it is usable. This leaves everyone at a severe disadvantage.

While there could be counterbalances to the weapons unlocked, i would doubt that bloom will be to bad on the DMR to really cause much of a problem, leaving it much better than the AR.

I agree that the armor abilites could be a problem, but remember the arnmor abilites confirmed. None of them (Save for jetpack) offers anyone a huge advantage over the other, so they are mostly just used for say, distractions. None of these abilities will save your life.

  • 04.27.2012 8:15 AM PDT

Walk by faith. Dude. Not by sight.

Halo 4 will probably be more enjoyable if you relax and wait until it is released. Chill out with a good RPG like Skyrim or Dark Souls.

  • 04.27.2012 8:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: NicodemusTNT
Dark Souls.


Now I want to go get invaded.

Anyhoo, I'll love Reach for still being a Bungie game, and even if some contest it, a Halo game as well. Simply turn the AA's off, and it's still the series that we know and love. Well, most of us...

Either way, I'm not too overly excited for Halo 4, just for the fact it's a whole nother trilogy, it kind of gives me odd feelings being here since the beginning, then to see how it finished and later started.
I'll check it out, but I'm holding my breath for the next Bungie game, whatever it is.

  • 04.27.2012 8:41 AM PDT

how about we wait until it comes out before we start judging how good or bad it is.

  • 04.27.2012 8:53 AM PDT


Posted by: MarkFanous
how about we wait until it comes out before we start judging how good or bad it is.



Posted by: P3P5I
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.

  • 04.27.2012 8:56 AM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent


Posted by: SatansReverence

Posted by: MarkFanous
how about we wait until it comes out before we start judging how good or bad it is.



Posted by: P3P5I
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.


How much do you know about the changes? You dont.

Argument invalid. Just wait for more info, then complain all you want.

  • 04.27.2012 8:59 AM PDT

Shoryuken!

Mythic Mode Progress on Reach:
Winter Contingency, perfection.
Other levels in progress.


Posted by: TeH FrUiTlOoPs


After playing Halo 4, I love Reach.
After playing Reach, I love Halo 3.
After playing Halo 3, I love Halo 2.
After playing Halo 2, I love Halo: CE.
ffs
Argument invalid

[Edited on 04.27.2012 9:13 AM PDT]

  • 04.27.2012 9:12 AM PDT


Posted by: SilentA98
How much do you know about the changes? You dont.

Argument invalid. Just wait for more info, then complain all you want.


Posted by: P3P5I
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.

  • 04.27.2012 9:15 AM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent


Posted by: SatansReverence

Posted by: SilentA98
How much do you know about the changes? You dont.

Argument invalid. Just wait for more info, then complain all you want.


Posted by: P3P5I
No that's too early! You have to wait for uncut gameplay!

No wait a minute! You have to wait for a beta!

Still too early, you have to wait until the game comes out to properly judge it!

It's ok, they are going to patch it! Wait until the patch!

Why are you complaining? It's too late, wait until the next game comes out.


I said wait for more info, not until the noose is around your neck. We dont even know what they DO!

  • 04.27.2012 9:20 AM PDT


Posted by: SilentA98
I said wait for more info, not until the noose is around your neck. We dont even know what they DO!


The point.
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Your head.

  • 04.27.2012 9:23 AM PDT