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Subject: Quit Whining... Thanks!
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Well here's the deal... I, and quite a few other people, are pretty tired of all this whining about the stupid pistol. There are so many obvious reasons to remove such a weapon from a game that is based around... BALANCE ... that its idiotic and childish to sit here on the forums and post thread after thread of why they should bring it back. The Magnum, although it is weaker, is the perfect substitute for such a weapon. Don't get me wrong, I loved HALO and HALO CE, and I loved the pistol, and if HALO 2 and HALO 3 were to not have massive multiplayer capabilities, then heck yeah keep it in there. But, unfortinutely, they do. The pistol was the only gun anyone that was good at HALO used, because there was NOTHING that could counter it. It could take on the shotgun and the AR at close range, and it could take on the Sniper at long range. There was absolutely NO drawback to that weapon. And now you guys want to put it into the HALO 3 universe, one where dual wielding is capable? PLEASE! If you loved the pistol so much, it was because it was a freakin hand cannon that in reality required little or no skill to use at all. If you saw the other guy first, BLAM BLAM BLAM (literally), and he's dead. No chance for retaliation or redemption on the dead guy's part. The Magnums in HALO 2 were a PERFECT substitute! If you dual wield them they are just as powerful as the original Pistol. Oh... awwwww, no scope? WHO CARES! What it sounds like all you people are saying is, "Please Bungie, put the pistol back in.... my mad skills have gone way down since HALO 2 came out because it wasn't in it. Redeem yourself by putting it in a HALO 3!! If you don't I might have to actually use some skill to be good at it..."

I'm not trying to be rude, but if the pistol was to be put back in it would throw off the entire weapon spectrum. The BR would be useless, and all you would EVER see in multiplayer would be Dual Pistols. Sounds like fun to me!

  • 06.03.2006 12:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Trochan001
This thread is a perfect example of how every question in history has been asked in this forum.

I agree, but most of the whining threads are about "stopid n00bs with the s0rds cuz they camp, omg"

  • 06.03.2006 12:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Element Leaf
I agree, but most of the whining threads are about "stopid n00bs with the s0rds cuz they camp, omg"


lol, so true.


I have a comment for all those sword nay-sayers.


You can call me a loser all you want, but I'm the one 30 kills in the lead. :-)

  • 06.03.2006 1:14 AM PDT
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I hate hearing person after person complaining about the pistol...

Though i greatly enjoyed pissing my brother off with the pistol (aka hand cannon) =P.

  • 06.03.2006 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fatesling3r
I'm not trying to be rude, but if the pistol was to be put back in it would throw off the entire weapon spectrum. The BR would be useless, and all you would EVER see in multiplayer would be Dual Pistols. Sounds like fun to me!


I totally agree with you. I bet that if Halo 2 had the pistol from Halo 1, dual wielding would somehow be considered skillful by the selfproclaimed pr0s. But it would only be skillful if you had two pistols, otherwise j00 r a n00b lol.

  • 06.03.2006 3:04 AM PDT

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In use and function, the BR55 and Carbine are replacements for the old M6D Pistol. The Magnum in Halo 2 is what it should be, a pistol, a sidearm. NOT a main weapon.

The Pistol in Halo 1 was a really a wolf in sheep's clothing. A high powered rifle, with the skin of a pistol.

I admit that i loved the Pistol in Halo 1, and was kind of sad that it wasn't in Halo 2, but i completely understood Bungie's reasoning to take out the M6D. Especially with Dual-weilding.

The logic is all there. Only the illogical cannot see the reasoning and the reason why it will not return in Halo 3.

  • 06.03.2006 3:16 AM PDT
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its just a gun, why are people so bothered, its not like the whole game has been destroyed

  • 06.03.2006 3:25 AM PDT

If that post was only half-full of lies, you might had something approaching half of a good point. However this is sadly not the case.

-The shotgun is NOT beaten by the pistol at close range.
-The sniper rifle is NOT beaten by the pistol at long range.
-Who wins at medium range, one rocket or one pistol shot?
-Little or no skill to use? Wrong. Making 3 pistol shots to the head of a fast-strafing target (faster than in Halo 2) with a fraction of the auto-aim present in the Halo 2 BR is not, as forgetful or untruthful players often claim, an easy feat. Unless your opponent is standing still...
-There is no reason why it would be dual-wielded, considering how powerful it was.
-2 Halo 2 magnums bear as much resemblance to it as they do to a feather duster.

I'm not claiming it should return exactly as it was. I'm just fed up with people who either don't know what they're talking about or flat out lie to support their point of view when it comes to this issue.

  • 06.03.2006 5:05 AM PDT
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its idiotic and childish to sit here on the forums and post thread after thread of why they should bring it back
This forum is a place to discuss Halo. Just ignore the threads if it bores you.
The Magnum, although it is weaker, is the perfect substitute for such a weapon.....If you dual wield them they are just as powerful as the original Pistol.
You obviously have no grasp of how the original pistol functioned if you believe the substitute is a 13 shot kill, inaccurate, scopeless gun that has the range of a SMG. Duel wielding doesn't make it a substitute either. The correct substitute would be a BR or Carbine.
The pistol was the only gun anyone that was good at HALO used, because there was NOTHING that could counter it.
I've seen plenty of gameplays of Halo pros and that is completely false.
It could take on the shotgun and the AR at close range, and it could take on the Sniper at long range.
The shotgun and sniper has the potential to kill in one shot. The pistol takes 3 at best.
And now you guys want to put it into the HALO 3 universe, one where dual wielding is capable?
The pistol would have to be an exception somehow.
PLEASE! If you loved the pistol so much, it was because it was a freakin hand cannon that in reality required little or no skill to use at all.
I liked it because I enjoyed medium to long range combat and plus the gun is extremely satisfying to fire and had a unique melee. If you have any love for the BR in Halo 2 then you should know where I'm coming from. The original pistol is like the first variation of the BR.
If you saw the other guy first, BLAM BLAM BLAM (literally), and he's dead.
Three shot kills are rare if you know how to strafe properly when you take fire. A typical pistol encounter would go "miss BLAM miss BLAM miss miss BLAM" because of the single shots and the target's rapid strafing. Heck I've emptied an entire clip occasionally with no kill and we end up switching to our secondary.
No chance for retaliation or redemption on the dead guy's part.
There's equally no chance when you get combo'ed in Halo 2, diced in the blink of an eye by the sword, blown up by a rocket etc.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if the pistol was to be put back in it would throw off the entire weapon spectrum. The BR would be useless, and all you would EVER see in multiplayer would be Dual Pistols. Sounds like fun to me!
The Carbine is more powerful than a BR but why are BR's more popular? I think the same thing can be achieved with the return of the pistol by reducing the aim assist, ammo capacity or even the weapon's range and damage.

  • 06.03.2006 6:40 AM PDT
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I just don't see the need for the old pistol. It was fun but now people are forced to be (slightly) more creative with how they kill people. Besides, the BR and Carbine can work just as well as the old pistol.

  • 06.03.2006 7:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Kronos23
I just don't see the need for the old pistol. It was fun but now people are forced to be (slightly) more creative with how they kill people. Besides, the BR and Carbine can work just as well as the old pistol.


I completely agree. Seeing as the pistol was the starting weapon as well there was no reason to try and get better weapons when you start with a three-shot-kill one.
The weapons balance in Halo CE was a bit messed up tbh. The shotgun had a massive range, and the pistol was hugely overpowered. H2 is more diverse, however there are still a few inevatible problems. I hate how the shotgun's reticule turns red at the same time as the sword's, but is an 8-shot-kill at that range compared to 1 with the sword.
Also, dual wielding the original pistol would be such a joke, no one would touch any other guns at all.
And lets face it, if it wasn't in H2, it's not gonna be in H3 (the AR is not back, it's different, Frankie said it).

  • 06.03.2006 7:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kronos23
I just don't see the need for the old pistol. It was fun but now people are forced to be (slightly) more creative with how they kill people. Besides, the BR and Carbine can work just as well as the old pistol.


I completely agree. Seeing as the pistol was the starting weapon as well there was no reason to try and get better weapons when you start with a three-shot-kill one.
The weapons balance in Halo CE was a bit messed up tbh. The shotgun had a massive range, and the pistol was hugely overpowered. H2 is more diverse, however there are still a few inevatible problems. I hate how the shotgun's reticule turns red at the same time as the sword's, but is an 8-shot-kill at that range compared to 1 with the sword.
Also, dual wielding the original pistol would be such a joke, no one would touch any other guns at all.
And lets face it, if it wasn't in H2, it's not gonna be in H3 (the AR is not back, it's different, Frankie said it).


Ugh... the shotgun had a huge range? The sword in Halo 2 has a bigger one-hit kill range... a freaking sword.

If it wasn't in H2 it's not gonna be in H3? Now why should that be? Would you have said 2 years ago that if it's not in H1 it's not gonna be in H2? Thought not.

  • 06.03.2006 7:32 AM PDT