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Subject: Bloom or no Bloom?


Posted by: Kira Onime



Nope

Also, we have weapons TODAY with less "recoil" the Reach.
You wana make me believe a gun 500 years in the future will have MORE recoil? lol


yes. better armor in the future=bigger bullets, which makes...more recoil, therefore we have more bloom. have you ever shot a shotgun before? or have seen a buckshot fired? that my friend has lots of recoil.

  • 05.09.2012 7:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: SpongyMallard7
yes. better armor in the future=bigger bullets, which makes...more recoil, therefore we have more bloom. have you ever shot a shotgun before? or have seen a buckshot fired? that my friend has lots of recoil.


The DMR uses 7.62mm rounds, ammo used in weapons as early as the 1800s. Most, if not all the UNSC weapons uses ammo available to us right now.
You want me to believe that a super solider wearing a powered armor suit can't handle that kind of stuff?


And since you bring up the shotguns, let me show you this one, The AA12 fully automatic shotgun.
Notice how a regular human is able to shoot it with a single hand and not have recoil up into the roof?

Yeah..... I'm supposed to buy that a gun 500 years in the future, wielded by a genetically modified super human will recoil up to the roof each time it's fired?




Yeah..... the "realistic" argument is a dam that holds no water at all.
It's useless.

  • 05.09.2012 8:40 AM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

The 3sk Classic Magnum is a good implementation of bloom. It's a gun that bloom makes sense on.
The DMR on the other hand functions much better and feels far more natural with zero bloom. ZB means the DMR requires accuracy at all ranges, instead of having a Needler-esque auto-aim at some of the most common ones.
The Needle Rifle, however needs bloom to function properly. I think 85% feels best out of the three settings I've tried it on, but I wouldn't mind seeing it at something like 50%, letting you land 4 or 5 shots in a burst and reducing the number of bursts required for optimal kill-time. (Current optimal being approx. 3-3-1)

So basically, both. Bloom is good for some guns, and bad for others.

  • 05.09.2012 9:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: WhackyGordon
The Needle Rifle, however needs bloom to function properly. I think 85% feels best out of the three settings I've tried it on, but I wouldn't mind seeing it at something like 50%, letting you land 4 or 5 shots in a burst and reducing the number of bursts required for optimal kill-time. (Current optimal being approx. 3-3-1)

So basically, both. Bloom is good for some guns, and bad for others.


Why are you not running around using it full auto like everyone else playing TU playlists?
It's easy mode now.

The reticule resets itself faster than it expands at 85% for the Needle rifle. This results in 100% accuracy at the full-auto fire rate. Lowering the bloom would only give the appearance of a reduced reticule, nothing else.

I'm surprised some don't really pay attention to the gun they're using before ranting off on Bloom/Reduced Bloom or whatever.
It's one of the reasons I don't like reduced bloom to begin with. It borks guns.

Anyway, now you know. Have fun abusing it! : )

[Edited on 05.09.2012 9:20 AM PDT]

  • 05.09.2012 9:09 AM PDT

this is still pretty silly. It's a video game, so what if we have bloom. I for one am done with this and I am going to play it like it is a video game not something that should have real life physics put into it.

ps that gun look really week and easy to smack to the ground and get busted. looked plastic. not that is was.

[Edited on 05.09.2012 9:20 AM PDT]

  • 05.09.2012 9:19 AM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: WolfSpirit
Why are you not running around using it full auto like everyone else playing TU playlists?
It's easy mode now, you're practically playing Zero Bloom with it.

The reticule resets itself faster than it expands at 85% for the Needle rifle. This results in 100% accuracy at the full-auto fire rate. Lowering the bloom would only give the appearance of a reduced reticule, nothing else.

It's one of the reasons I don't like reduced bloom spread to all playlists. It borks guns.

?? I still miss a lot of shots if I go full auto. Not sure how much 85% NR action I've seen, as I don't generally go for the NR and I jump from playlist to playlist a lot, but I know it's not 100% accurate. The bloom is subtle, but at longer ranges it's still a big factor.

  • 05.09.2012 9:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix2640
Bloom sucks, it takes skill out of halo and replaces it with luck

  • 05.09.2012 9:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: SpongyMallard7
yes. better armor in the future=bigger bullets, which makes...more recoil, therefore we have more bloom. have you ever shot a shotgun before? or have seen a buckshot fired? that my friend has lots of recoil.


The DMR uses 7.62mm rounds, ammo used in weapons as early as the 1800s. Most, if not all the UNSC weapons uses ammo available to us right now.
You want me to believe that a super solider wearing a powered armor suit can't handle that kind of stuff?


And since you bring up the shotguns, let me show you this one, The AA12 fully automatic shotgun.
Notice how a regular human is able to shoot it with a single hand and not have recoil up into the roof?

Yeah..... I'm supposed to buy that a gun 500 years in the future, wielded by a genetically modified super human will recoil up to the roof each time it's fired?




Yeah..... the "realistic" argument is a dam that holds no water at all.
It's useless.


How many MSP to have your babies?

  • 05.09.2012 9:44 AM PDT


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: WolfSpirit
Why are you not running around using it full auto like everyone else playing TU playlists?
It's easy mode now, you're practically playing Zero Bloom with it.

The reticule resets itself faster than it expands at 85% for the Needle rifle. This results in 100% accuracy at the full-auto fire rate. Lowering the bloom would only give the appearance of a reduced reticule, nothing else.

It's one of the reasons I don't like reduced bloom spread to all playlists. It borks guns.

?? I still miss a lot of shots if I go full auto. Not sure how much 85% NR action I've seen, as I don't generally go for the NR and I jump from playlist to playlist a lot, but I know it's not 100% accurate. The bloom is subtle, but at longer ranges it's still a big factor.

The bloom on the NR on 85% is negligible. It's basically not even there. The only time bloom actually engages to where it blooms out to any significant proportion is when you switch weapons to it and immediately start firing.

Not that bloom need be there in the first place. There are plenty of gameplay mechanics that can do bloom's job more effectively and with lesser amounts of cons (Recoil, spread, RoF caps, range cutoffs, ect.).

[Edited on 05.09.2012 9:48 AM PDT]

  • 05.09.2012 9:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: SpongyMallard7
this is still pretty silly. It's a video game, so what if we have bloom. I for one am done with this and I am going to play it like it is a video game not something that should have real life physics put into it.


Then don't bring arguments if you're going to back out of them on the following post.

And yeah, I play the game for what it is, a game.
But it wont be as enjoyable if I find myself fighting game mechanics more than other players.
That's why I started playing near-only-MLG.

And the gun is made out of 5 different styles of stainless steel. *If I remember correctly.*



Posted by: SatansReverence
How many MSP to have your babies?


What ever a 3month costs.

[Edited on 05.09.2012 10:14 AM PDT]

  • 05.09.2012 10:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThreeSixXero
Not that bloom need be there in the first place. There are plenty of gameplay mechanics that can do bloom's job more effectively and with lesser amounts of cons (Recoil, spread, RoF caps, range cutoffs, ect.).


Too bad recoil was removed from weapons after the beta.

  • 05.09.2012 10:16 AM PDT


Posted by: vballryan
No bloom is best bloom


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  • 05.09.2012 12:26 PM PDT

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I don't like full bloom but zero bloom is stupid. The 85% bloom gametypes work pretty well imo.

  • 05.09.2012 12:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: SHOCKER1000
zero bloom is stupid. .


Not sure if serious.....

  • 05.09.2012 12:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: SpongyMallard7
yes. better armor in the future=bigger bullets, which makes...more recoil, therefore we have more bloom. have you ever shot a shotgun before? or have seen a buckshot fired? that my friend has lots of recoil.


The DMR uses 7.62mm rounds, ammo used in weapons as early as the 1800s. Most, if not all the UNSC weapons uses ammo available to us right now.
You want me to believe that a super solider wearing a powered armor suit can't handle that kind of stuff?


And since you bring up the shotguns, let me show you this one, The AA12 fully automatic shotgun.
Notice how a regular human is able to shoot it with a single hand and not have recoil up into the roof?

Yeah..... I'm supposed to buy that a gun 500 years in the future, wielded by a genetically modified super human will recoil up to the roof each time it's fired?




Yeah..... the "realistic" argument is a dam that holds no water at all.
It's useless.


words out of my mouth

  • 05.09.2012 1:04 PM PDT

i believe the real question here is 'do you like ZB or are you retarded?'

  • 05.09.2012 1:05 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
The magnum in classic playlists is awful because of the bloom and is more host dependent than the rest of the game's guns.

Stop being stupid.

It's awful because of bloom, why?
And host dependency is a weak argument. Either that, or I'm pulling host constantly with a 10 mbit connection, a five year old router, a wireless adapter, and two xboxes running on live on the same router at the same time. I have no problems using it consistently. Obviously it's not easy if I'm lagging, but that's not specific to that gun, and has nothing to do with bloom whatsoever.

  • 05.09.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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So basically... Waypoint is pro-vanilla?

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Waypoint isn't pro-anything so much as they're just anti-intelligence.

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  • 05.09.2012 2:18 PM PDT


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  • 05.09.2012 6:02 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!


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Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: SpongyMallard7
yes. better armor in the future=bigger bullets, which makes...more recoil, therefore we have more bloom. have you ever shot a shotgun before? or have seen a buckshot fired? that my friend has lots of recoil.


The DMR uses 7.62mm rounds, ammo used in weapons as early as the 1800s. Most, if not all the UNSC weapons uses ammo available to us right now.
You want me to believe that a super solider wearing a powered armor suit can't handle that kind of stuff?


And since you bring up the shotguns, let me show you this one, The AA12 fully automatic shotgun.
Notice how a regular human is able to shoot it with a single hand and not have recoil up into the roof?

Yeah..... I'm supposed to buy that a gun 500 years in the future, wielded by a genetically modified super human will recoil up to the roof each time it's fired?




Yeah..... the "realistic" argument is a dam that holds no water at all.
It's useless.


words out of my mouth


Wrong!

The DMR uses a virtual bullet with virtual statistics.

Please do not try to tell me that the DMR is using the 7.62mm round. Because that simply is not true. Even if they say it is true. It's using math.

Now, even if the math was designed to simulate the weapon using that particular round. Is it completely out of the question that there may have been advances made to that particular type of ammo? Better, more powerful powder for the charge perhaps?

Maybe the round is coated is a uranium alloy that creates extra heat, thus expands the barrel more, thus creating the effect of bloom.

Yeah.... next!

Have any of you ever watched Myth Busters?
Have you ever noticed how close they have to set up their gun turrets to the target to get the bullet to hit on target every time? Pretty damn close. The farther away they set up their "recoil eliminator" the more the bullet is going to get off target, from every other factor. Such as heat, incosistencies in the shape of the bullet itself, wind friction, etc.

Better yet. Have you ever seen top shot? Or how bout any of the Military shows about snipers making mile long shots. How much do you think randomness plays a role for them? They have to try to determine how strong and which way the wind is blowing for the entire length that the bullet is going to travel....

And now look at you....-blam!-ing about bloom. You're pathetic.


Point being. Even if you completely eliminate recoil. There are still many other factors more than willing to make that bullet miss its target.

Don't beleive me. Why then did they give Robocop a fully automatic futuristic Desert Eagle? Because with fully automatic comes quantity. And quantity is a good substitute for quality.

You people just need to accept the fact that...if a spammer has only 25% chance to miss. Do the math of 2 spam bullets hitting anywhere on the target for every 1 quality bullet hitting a vital spot. The quantity is going to beat quality. Especially in a game like Halo who's core value revolves around longer kill times.

Learn to play Halo as an actual team-member who assists his teammates. Instead of just some rambo who can hold is own.... And you'll see. That you're all idiots for complaining about bloom.

[Edited on 05.10.2012 3:41 PM PDT]

  • 05.10.2012 3:11 PM PDT


Posted by: MR E0S

i can only manage to read two lines of anything you post.
the massive amount of retardation you radiate is mind boggling.

  • 05.10.2012 3:39 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

That's funny, cause it conicides with your ability to only write up to 2 lines. Sorry that you're incapable of reading more than that.

I hear weed makes a pretty good medication for people with ADD.

  • 05.10.2012 3:42 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

I just wonder one thing. If Halo took some notes from BF, and incorporated bullet drop into the game. What would you have to say about that?

Ok, so bullet drop is acceptable to you....

What if they incorporated wind into the game?

You have no idea how casual the shooting mechanic in Halo actually is.... and yet you all turned this casual shooter into a competitive shooter still. So....

[Edited on 05.10.2012 3:58 PM PDT]

  • 05.10.2012 3:57 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: MR E0S
Wrong!

The DMR uses a virtual bullet with virtual statistics.

Please do not try to tell me that the DMR is using the 7.62mm round. Because that simply is not true. Even if they say it is true. It's using math.

Now, even if the math was designed to simulate the weapon using that particular round. Is it completely out of the question that there may have been advances made to that particular type of ammo? Better, more powerful powder for the charge perhaps?

Maybe the round is coated is a uranium alloy that creates extra heat, thus expands the barrel more, thus creating the effect of bloom.

Yeah.... next!

Have any of you ever watched Myth Busters?
Have you ever noticed how close they have to set up their gun turrets to the target to get the bullet to hit on target every time? Pretty damn close. The farther away they set up their "recoil eliminator" the more the bullet is going to get off target, from every other factor. Such as heat, incosistencies in the shape of the bullet itself, wind friction, etc.

Better yet. Have you ever seen top shot? Or how bout any of the Military shows about snipers making mile long shots. How much do you think randomness plays a role for them? They have to try to determine how strong and which way the wind is blowing for the entire length that the bullet is going to travel....

And now look at you....-blam!-ing about bloom. You're pathetic.


Point being. Even if you completely eliminate recoil. There are still many other factors more than willing to make that bullet miss its target.

Don't beleive me. Why then did they give Robocop a fully automatic futuristic Desert Eagle? Because with fully automatic comes quantity. And quantity is a good substitute for quality.

You people just need to accept the fact that...if a spammer has only 25% chance to miss. Do the math of 2 spam bullets hitting anywhere on the target for every 1 quality bullet hitting a vital spot. The quantity is going to beat quality. Especially in a game like Halo who's core value revolves around longer kill times.

Learn to play Halo as an actual team-member who assists his teammates. Instead of just some rambo who can hold is own.... And you'll see. That you're all idiots for complaining about bloom.


Brilliantly clear! Thank-you, Mr. E0S, for spelling out why body armor doesn't affect the function of guns. People need to stop trying to use canon and reality as dictating factors in a video game. Canon follows the game, not the other way around, and reality has no bearing whatsoever. The immersion elements like citing real-world ammo is silly. Apparently the DMR and the AR use the same bullets - let's see somebody logic that out lol

  • 05.10.2012 3:57 PM PDT