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Subject: Flood were better in CE

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.

CE is the only game in the series where I would actually enjoy fighting the Flood rather than avoid them. They were fun to fight because they felt like crazy zombies with just basic instincts, which is what the Flood is supposed to be.

I remember being bum rushed on levels like Two Betrayals and Keyes by dozens of Flood at almost every checkpoint, and it was a crazy fun experience. (anyone remember the clusterfk second chasm on Two betrayals? lol)

In H2/3 the Flood felt more tacticle. Instead of large groups of Flood running at you at once it was more of small groups using basic strategies, which kind of killed the whole "zombie" feel from CE.

Also I didn't like the fact that the Flood bodies in H2/3 did't fly around from grenades..... instead they just popped :(

Thoughts?

  • 04.29.2012 2:12 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.

  • 04.29.2012 2:21 PM PDT

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.


They did have a gravemind, the one hiding on Delta Halo. But I'd rather fight feral Flood than organized Flood, makes it more funner lol.

  • 04.29.2012 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: TallestSpark

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.


They did have a gravemind, the one hiding on Delta Halo. But I'd rather fight feral Flood than organized Flood, makes it more funner lol.


They were disconnected from the Gravemind on Installation 05, that's why they tried building one on the Truth and Reconciliation (and later, the Mona Lisa).

I did like the Flood in CE, every time one charged at you if you didn't have a shotgun/plasma rifle/pistol you'd just scream "OH SHIIIIII-" before experiencing a death of painful proportions. On the other hand, I'd like to see the Flood at its full might, like the ones the Forerunners encountered during their war. A full-scale Flood invasion would be awesome to be in the middle of.

  • 04.29.2012 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: TallestSpark

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.


They did have a gravemind, the one hiding on Delta Halo. But I'd rather fight feral Flood than organized Flood, makes it more funner lol.


The Gravemind in Delta Halo did not control the Flood in Alpha Halo, that's why they were making a Proto-Gravemind. Individual Graveminds control different masses of the Flood.

  • 04.29.2012 2:32 PM PDT

They were a lot uglier back then too, but I liked that about them. I think it's more nostalgia goggles than anything else for me. Just meeting the Flood for the first time was heart dropping and exciting when your only in 6th grade.

Also I didn't like the fact that the Flood bodies in H2/3 did't fly around from grenades..... instead they just popped :(
I feel the opposite.

  • 04.29.2012 2:48 PM PDT
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Tactical my ass. The Flood in H3 were lame. I admit though, the Flood in H2 did seem tactical, but I think it's mostly due to their ability to use vehicles. Otherwise, they're just more aggressive and durable H3 Flood with some CE Flood properties.

I concur though, that CE Flood were the best. I mean, you could shoot them anywhere and they would fall yet there would be huge numbers of them. Oh and they could get up after they had been "killed". Meleeing them also felt good because they were responsive. In H3, meleeing Flood just pushes them back if not breaking them.

In H2 and H3, I wasn't happy about having to shoot at weak points ("head", limbs) to kill them. If I shot them anywhere else, I felt like I wasn't doing any damage at all. Unresponsive enemies are very dissatisfying.

CE Flood were pretty good with their senses. I've tried hiding underneath a Banshee (you just got to position it right and crouch) at that 2nd chasm on Two Betrayals. Didn't work. I got pwned every time.

CE Flood were also more entertaining to manipulate. I once stuck a combat form, showed myself then hid and it ran towards it's buddies. xD And let's not forget how Flood buddies were actually useful. H3 Flood buddies just get in the way. In CE, Flood buddies could be used to delay checkpoints.

The only good thing introduced in H3 was that Flood infection forms can raise dead bodies of Covenant and UNSC troops. Sadly, there's a limit to how many bodies they can raise. Once there's enough, they just back off, letting the combat forms fight. The Flood have been dumbed down too much and are the predecessors of Reach AI, lacking responsiveness.

Posted by: Synyster Ricz
They were a lot uglier back then too, but I liked that about them. I think it's more nostalgia goggles than anything else for me. Just meeting the Flood for the first time was heart dropping and exciting when your only in 6th grade.

Also I didn't like the fact that the Flood bodies in H2/3 did't fly around from grenades..... instead they just popped :(
I feel the opposite.
Their gurgles were legendary. I hate the new screeching noises. It's just annoying.

Well I hated when their bodies crumbled. It meant Flood limbs all over the place, cluttering up locations and obscuring dropped weapons and equipment.

Posted by: ajw34307

I did like the Flood in CE, every time one charged at you if you didn't have a shotgun/plasma rifle/pistol you'd just scream "OH SHIIIIII-" before experiencing a death of painful proportions.
I did that every time too (then again, I also do that when I'm being chased by Goldies, Hunters, berserking Elites, and even Grunts. :P Enemies that dare to chase deserve commendation!).

[Edited on 04.29.2012 3:31 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2012 3:18 PM PDT

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.

Spot on sliding, u hit the nail haha. I think my favorite weapon to use against CE Flood was the assault rifle, just because it was one of the worst weapons to use. It makes killing combat forms harder, which makes that last stand feeling actually feel great. It also feels more zombiesh because your always backing up and firing loads of lead into them. Having another player with you and using assault rifle on flood never gets old.

Also a sidenote, was H2 the only one where flood were able to walk backwards? I don't recall Flood in H3 ever walking backwards, and CE's flood was always agressive.

  • 04.29.2012 7:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: TallestSpark
Spot on sliding, u hit the nail haha. I think my favorite weapon to use against CE Flood was the assault rifle, just because it was one of the worst weapons to use. It makes killing combat forms harder, which makes that last stand feeling actually feel great.

It also feels more zombiesh because your always backing up and firing loads of lead into them. Having another player with you and using assault rifle on flood never gets old.
Yeah, the AR of CE actually had a purpose. I dislike how it's a throw away weapon now.

Imagine CE Flood with swords. Now that would really make it feel like a survival game.

Posted by: TallestSpark
Also a sidenote, was H2 the only one where flood were able to walk backwards? I don't recall Flood in H3 ever walking backwards, and CE's flood was always agressive.
It's also in H3. At the beginning of this video.

  • 04.30.2012 12:46 AM PDT
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I loved the Halo 2 Flood's ability to jump, specifically the human flood.

I found the CE Flood annoying, they were more of an annoyance, in Halo 2 they were vicious, and in Halo 3 they returned to the annoying phase.

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  • 04.30.2012 1:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Quantam
I loved the Halo 2 Flood's ability to jump, specifically the human flood.
I thought all Flood could jump.

  • 04.30.2012 4:22 AM PDT

Someone once told me The Flood in Halo:CE couldn't go backwards. Even if you were to mod the game to play as a Combat Form, you couldn't backpedal at all.

  • 04.30.2012 6:34 AM PDT

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Dem Flood with rockets...

There was no avoiding a rocket from them on Legendary in CE.

Bastards...

  • 04.30.2012 8:44 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

I hate CE Flood. They are so boring and tedious and it feels like a chore fighting them. The limited sandbox makes it even more boring having to rely on just plasma pistols and shotguns to kill them. The pistol can't kill them as they resurrect, plasma rifles, assault rifles and needlers use up ammo, and the sniper can't even damage them, plus it takes about 10 melees to kill them.

I don't really like the Halo 2 flood either but there was more weapons to fight them with which made it more fun

The Halo 3 flood are the best. They are fun because they can be killed with almost any weapon now. If I don't have a shotgun or a sword I can fall back on melee which kills them in a couple of hits, unlike the previous 2 games

  • 04.30.2012 9:04 AM PDT

The Flood Marines walked backwards in H3, didn't they?

*le YouTube search*

  • 04.30.2012 9:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.


They did have a gravemind, the one hiding on Delta Halo. But I'd rather fight feral Flood than organized Flood, makes it more funner lol.

Funner isn't a word!!!! And I liked them the best on halo 2 because that was the greatest game created by man.

  • 04.30.2012 10:41 AM PDT

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I've gotta say i like the flood being organized. It makes them a bit harder to fight. I would have liked them to bring back the big hordes though:D

  • 04.30.2012 12:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: ShortRoundMcfly
Someone once told me The Flood in Halo:CE couldn't go backwards. Even if you were to mod the game to play as a Combat Form, you couldn't backpedal at all.
Hunters can't either, which is why CMT Spv3 was unable to implement a reverse melee.

Posted by: HipiO7
Dem Flood with rockets...

There was no avoiding a rocket from them on Legendary in CE.

Bastards...
When you were on foot or in the Banshee? I'm not going to mention the Ghost because it's not hard to avoid them in that vehicle.

The second chasm is easy if you trigger the rocket launcher Flood then flee and spam fuel rods from a distance. Also, I might be crazy saying this but maybe trying to splatter them all with the hog might work... if you get out at the right time.

Posted by: Mark V guy
I hate CE Flood. They are so boring and tedious and it feels like a chore fighting them. The limited sandbox makes it even more boring having to rely on just plasma pistols and shotguns to kill them. The pistol can't kill them as they resurrect, plasma rifles, assault rifles and needlers use up ammo, and the sniper can't even damage them, plus it takes about 10 melees to kill them.
-shows no appreciation for the 3 useful Covie weapons that were way better than having multiple redundant Covie weapons
-does not use the pistol properly. Use the pistol to disarm them and make Flood buddies. The pistol can also be used to disarm rocket launcher Flood. It also has stopping power similar to H3's pistol
-plasma rifles are prevalent, assault rifles should only be used if you want a challenge, needlers shouldn't be wasted on Flood unless there's a group of them
-sniper and melee would be too cheap, although I agree the inability to kill with the sniper is a disappointment. Also, meleeing can temporarily stop a Flood from shooting or meleeing you

Posted by: Mark V guy
The Halo 3 flood are the best. They are fun because they can be killed with almost any weapon now. If I don't have a shotgun or a sword I can fall back on melee which kills them in a couple of hits, unlike the previous 2 games
The nerfed AI makes them boring. Create half Flood and you'll see how terrible the Flood AI have become. If they were going to nerf the damage, they should have improved the AI but instead, they made them like Jackal snipers: slow, dumb-witted, slow trigger finger. Flood are no longer scary or dangerous. They're just annoying.

Also, when you have bad Flood (unresponsive, slow, easily killed, small numbers) and levels with only bad Flood (that includes damage sponge Pure Forms), that results in a boring, frustrating mission. Even The Library was more interesting due to the fact that you could glitch it, skip parts, and use the AI to help you with certain things (Flood buddies, carrier forms). The simple fact is that Gravemind moments are evil and without speedrunning, using equipment is the only way to get past Cortana. In CE, all I needed was a gun, any gun could do (except for needler and sniper).

/Zealot mode

[Edited on 04.30.2012 5:42 PM PDT]

  • 04.30.2012 5:32 PM PDT

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I did like the Flood in CE, every time one charged at you if you didn't have a shotgun/plasma rifle/pistol you'd just scream "OH SHIIIIII-" before experiencing a death of painful proportions. On the other hand, I'd like to see the Flood at its full might, like the ones the Forerunners encountered during their war. A full-scale Flood invasion would be awesome to be in the middle of.[/quote]

Thats not what the Forerunners said... Haha

  • 05.01.2012 7:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.


Posted by: HipiO7
Dem Flood with rockets...

There was no avoiding a rocket from them on Legendary in CE.

Bastards...[/quote]When you were on foot or in the Banshee? I'm not going to mention the Ghost because it's not hard to avoid them in that vehicle.

The second chasm is easy if you trigger the rocket launcher Flood then flee and spam fuel rods from a distance. Also, I might be crazy saying this but maybe trying to splatter them all with the hog might work... if you get out at the right time.


I mean, mostly on The Library, where it was dark and you had too much Flood coming at you that most of the time you wouldn't even notice a freaking rocket flying and nailing you in your face.

  • 05.02.2012 8:40 AM PDT

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.


Posted by: HipiO7
Dem Flood with rockets...

There was no avoiding a rocket from them on Legendary in CE.

Bastards...


Agreed lol. I remember after the second chasm on Two Betrayals, when I'd take a banshee into that tunnel, I would ALWAYS get hit by a damn rocket

  • 05.06.2012 3:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: HipiO7

Posted by: HipiO7
Dem Flood with rockets...

There was no avoiding a rocket from them on Legendary in CE.

Bastards...[/quote]When you were on foot or in the Banshee? I'm not going to mention the Ghost because it's not hard to avoid them in that vehicle.

The second chasm is easy if you trigger the rocket launcher Flood then flee and spam fuel rods from a distance. Also, I might be crazy saying this but maybe trying to splatter them all with the hog might work... if you get out at the right time.


I mean, mostly on The Library, where it was dark and you had too much Flood coming at you that most of the time you wouldn't even notice a freaking rocket flying and nailing you in your face.
If I'm not mistaken, there's a way to isolate the rocket launcher Flood in most cases, usually by killing off the other Flood first by drawing them to you.

The rocket launcher Flood definitely needed a nerf. A slow start up time would have been sufficient.

  • 05.06.2012 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.
This sounds right.

  • 05.06.2012 4:51 PM PDT

"Shall we let the Flood consume our holy city? Turn High Charity into another of their wretched hives? No enemy has ever withstood our might. The Flood, too, shall fail."

-Prophet of Truth.


Posted by: Wikked Navajoe

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.
This sounds right.


The flood did have a gravemind in CE, and well before. The gravemind in Delta Halo was there long before the events of CE.

  • 05.06.2012 5:12 PM PDT


Posted by: TallestSpark

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, maybe because the Flood in CE had no Gravemind? They are just following basic Flood structure, feral when without Proto-Gravemind/Gravemind and organized once they have it.
This sounds right.


The flood did have a gravemind in CE, and well before. The gravemind in Delta Halo was there long before the events of CE.

Ah, but THAT Gravemind couldn't control the Flood on 04, which is why the Flood were making one in CE. I think the distance was just too far for it to control the Flood.

  • 05.07.2012 12:45 PM PDT

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