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You know when High Charity goes through the Portal and crashes onto the Ark?

Why doesn't it drop some of the Flood on Earth?

They would take over the planet, if I am not mistaken...

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I actually thought the same thing a while ago but I came up with a logical explanation.
Since the Gravemind knew that whatever was beyond the portal was a serious threat to the Flood, it would want every force available. So when High Charity arrived at Earth, the Gravemind must have sent the space station as fast as it could through the Portal. Also considering that it would take a week or so to get to the Ark, there was no time to loose.

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You must have skipped Floodgate...

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You must have skipped Floodgate...


and Halo 2.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You must have skipped Floodgate...

What does Floodgate have to do with anything? Sure, the Sanghelli fleet glasses the area and destroys the Cruiser.

That same fleet goes to the Ark.

Then High Charity goes through the Portal, but drops no force on Earth.

And for the first reply, one single flood spore can destroy a species.

Comparatively, he wouldn't not have to drop a very large force at all, humanity lacked defense against the Flood, most of the Elite forces were fighting on the Ark.

I mean really? Why not? A few of those flying thingy's landed on the Ark, why not a few on Earth?

There were billions of Flood forms present on High Charity.

One single landing craft could have taken the Earth, the UNSC, what was left on Earth, could have done nothing about it.

[Edited on 04.30.2012 11:04 PM PDT]

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You must have skipped Floodgate...

What does Floodgate have to do with anything? Sure, the Sanghelli fleet glasses the area and destroys the Cruiser.

That same fleet goes to the Ark.

Then High Charity goes through the Portal, but drops no force on Earth.

And for the first reply, one single flood spore can destroy a species.

Comparatively, he wouldn't not have to drop a very large force at all, humanity lacked defense against the Flood, most of the Elite forces were fighting on the Ark.

I mean really? Why not? A few of those flying thingy's landed on the Ark, why not a few on Earth?

There were billions of Flood forms present on High Charity.

One single landing craft could have taken the Earth, the UNSC, what was left on Earth, could have done nothing about it.


You are taking things too literally, Rtas was exaggerating about it. And it is ridiculous to think the Elites would have left Earth unprotected, they wanted to avoid another Flood outbreak after all (something that was painfully clear when they immediately glassed the surrounding area of that infected Cruiser). You gotta remember the Elites had High Charity surrounded in a quarantine zone and I very much doubt that all the ships they had were the ones present at the Ark (High Charity's defense fleet consisted of hundreds of ships after all) and while the Brutes held a considerable amount of ships, Elites were always better at naval engagements.

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Well does High Charity go through the portal on Earth to reach to Ark? I always assumed it just went through slipspace.

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Posted by: About 9 Grunts
Well does High Charity go through the portal on Earth to reach to Ark? I always assumed it just went through slipspace.


How would they know where the ark is though?

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It was heading to Earth. Remember what Cortana said: "High Charity, the Prophets' holy city, is on its way to Earth. With an army of Flood. I can't tell you everything. It's not safe. The Gravemind... it knows I'm in the system."

[Edited on 05.01.2012 5:07 PM PDT]

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
How would they know where the ark is though?


Most likely Cortana. Remember what she said: "It asked, and I answered. For a moment of safety, I loosed damnation on the stars..."


How would she know where the Ark is? Spark only knew vague WHAT it was, nevermind where.

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Posted by: Quantam
Why doesn't it drop some of the Flood on Earth?


Where does it say the flood on High Charity didn't drop some of their forces on Earth?

A reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gswqH2UxBUo

>After the mission Floodgate we know that Lord Hood decides to only send 1 ship( Forward Unto Dawn) through the portal.
He plans on defending Earth with the remaining forces he has.

The place where Flood Dispersal Pods would drop on Earth would be in the surrounding of the portal.
Which is mostly glassed after the mission floodgate.

So on the half glassed continent what is the flood going to infect?

Dropped forces of flood would be easily contained by remaining airforces. Keeping in mind Lord Hood is expecting a flood attack and is ready with a handfull of ships.

>The great threat for the flood was on the ark so the gravemind focused on going through the portal. This didn't allowed it to take the time and conquer Earth.

This was part of Cortana her trap to lure the gravemind to the ark and destroy it without firing the remaining halo's.

>How did Cortana know about this ark? In Halo: Reach it is shown that Cortana has forerunner knowlegde stored. It is also possible that Cortana was able to steal information from the part of 05-032 Mendicant Bias while on High Charity.

Did Cortana know the location of the ark? Possible. Even if the gravemind unravelled the location of the ark , a slipspace jump would not bring it there on time. Thus using the portal was the fastest way to get there.


So far my thoughts on this topic.

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I'm pretty sure the gravemind sent a cruiser to earth (floodgate) so that high charity could save all of its forces for the ark.

  • 05.01.2012 6:42 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Why doesn't it? Because no pieces of it break off as when it came in for a landing on the Ark.

But hey, maybe it does. Maybe somewhere on Earth one infection form is squiggling around, ready to infect. Halo 4.

[Edited on 05.01.2012 7:43 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Quantam

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You must have skipped Floodgate...

What does Floodgate have to do with anything? Sure, the Sanghelli fleet glasses the area and destroys the Cruiser.

That same fleet goes to the Ark.

Then High Charity goes through the Portal, but drops no force on Earth.

And for the first reply, one single flood spore can destroy a species.

Comparatively, he wouldn't not have to drop a very large force at all, humanity lacked defense against the Flood, most of the Elite forces were fighting on the Ark.

I mean really? Why not? A few of those flying thingy's landed on the Ark, why not a few on Earth?

There were billions of Flood forms present on High Charity.

One single landing craft could have taken the Earth, the UNSC, what was left on Earth, could have done nothing about it.


You are taking things too literally, Rtas was exaggerating about it. And it is ridiculous to think the Elites would have left Earth unprotected, they wanted to avoid another Flood outbreak after all (something that was painfully clear when they immediately glassed the surrounding area of that infected Cruiser). You gotta remember the Elites had High Charity surrounded in a quarantine zone and I very much doubt that all the ships they had were the ones present at the Ark (High Charity's defense fleet consisted of hundreds of ships after all) and while the Brutes held a considerable amount of ships, Elites were always better at naval engagements.


Rtas was referring to a spore that gets away I believe. If a Flood spore is allowed to infect, it will simply snowball and consume the planet.

OT: Hood had Africa locked down, he wasn't going to let Gravemind take earth with only a few drop pods.

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It could be possible that High Charity didn't exit slipspace when it when through the Portal (is that possible?)
It's also possible that as soon as High Charity came to Earth to go through the Portal, Lord Hood had everything he had firing at High Charity.

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That seems reasonable, the first part. The portal could act like a checkpoint sort of. So High Charity is doing this slip space jump and then it hits the portal, which then slingshots (still in slip space) to the Ark. Or, it could directly use the portal while in slip space. That doesn't seem too far-fetched given the Forerunner's mastery of slip space tech.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
It could be possible that High Charity didn't exit slipspace when it when through the Portal (is that possible?)
It's also possible that as soon as High Charity came to Earth to go through the Portal, Lord Hood had everything he had firing at High Charity.

That sounds like the only possible solution.

  • 05.01.2012 9:52 PM PDT

I always just assumed the Earth actually was attacked by The Flood and Lord Hood or Rtas Vadum took care of it at some point.

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Cortana tricked the Gravemind into thinking that a treat to the flood lied beyond the portal. So, all forces were needed by the flood to ensure they controlled it.

I thought the same thing, but the above answer is probably the best solution.

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The Gravemind didn't make very tactical decisions in H3. As if Chief and Arby needed his help. Truth's remaining defenses (after the 2 Scarabs) were lax and easily dealt with from long range. Plus, Arby is a monster with the sword.

But gameplay performance aside, the Gravemind has got to stop underestimating Master Chief... he conquered Forerunners but expresses frustration at/admits defeat to 1 Spartan? Wow.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 5:01 AM PDT]

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Well does High Charity go through the portal on Earth to reach to Ark? I always assumed it just went through slipspace.


Impossible.

It would have taken much longer than a day to reach The Ark. High Charity no longer posed the power provided by the Dreadnought, and must have worked though those reactors we destroy in Cortana. Those were Covenant tech, and even Covenant slipspace and power efficiency was no where near the Forerunners.

It's mostly and overlooked aspect of canon. But I can tell you that by slipspace it takes longer than one day to leave the galaxy.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 8:50 AM PDT]

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Well does High Charity go through the portal on Earth to reach to Ark? I always assumed it just went through slipspace.


Impossible.

It would have taken much longer than a day to reach The Ark. High Charity no longer posed the power provided by the Dreadnought, and must have worked though those reactors we destroy in Cortana. Those were Covenant tech, and even Covenant slipspace and power efficiency was no where near the Forerunners.

It's mostly and overlooked aspect of canon. But I can tell you that by slipspace it takes longer than one day to leave the galaxy.

Covenant ships have always been faster in slipspace. Wouldn't High Charity be too large to enter Earths atmosphere and go through the portal anyway?

  • 05.02.2012 12:47 PM PDT

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The Gravemind didn't make very tactical decisions in H3. As if Chief and Arby needed his help. Truth's remaining defenses (after the 2 Scarabs) were lax and easily dealt with from long range. Plus, Arby is a monster with the sword.

But gameplay performance aside, the Gravemind has got to stop underestimating Master Chief... he conquered Forerunners but expresses frustration at/admits defeat to 1 Spartan? Wow.


He never admits defeat...

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The Gravemind didn't make very tactical decisions in H3. As if Chief and Arby needed his help. Truth's remaining defenses (after the 2 Scarabs) were lax and easily dealt with from long range. Plus, Arby is a monster with the sword.

But gameplay performance aside, the Gravemind has got to stop underestimating Master Chief... he conquered Forerunners but expresses frustration at/admits defeat to 1 Spartan? Wow.


He never admits defeat...


"Resignation is my virtue... like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time to the sentence I never deserved, but you imposed." ~ Gravemind, Halo, Rally point Alpha

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