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Subject: Forerunners- Allies or Enemies of Humanity?

Teddy304

I realize that everyone thinks that the forerunners were the good guys and it was made clear in the Halo trilogy that they did try to destroy the flood. This thought has always entered my mind though: Did the forerunners try to destroy humanity also?

Section I. Argument
How is that possible? Why would the forerunners try to have destroyed humanity but in the end saves humanity along with countless other species in the Milky Way Galaxy. I don't know if you guys consider Halopedia a a reliable source, but Halopedia stated that Humanity along with the aid of the precursors, fought a great war with the forerunners about 110,000 years ago. Now, I know what your thinking. Humanity wasn't nearly advanced enough to fight the forerunners. Or were we?

Section II. Information
Around 110,000 years ago humanity was ruled by the forerunners. Humanity's technology was finally starting to rival that of the forerunners. Humanity was finally able to
capture some planets of their own. Humanity's armies became massive. We were neutral with the forerunners and allies with the precursors. Then humanity encountered the flood. With the aid of the precursors, humanity managed to destroy the flood temporarily. Even though the humanity/precursor alliance had prevailed, both species's military armadas were exhausted. The forerunners saw this as a perfect opportunity to regain control over humanity. Now, don't get me wrong. The forerunners weren't harsh, barbaric rulers. Humanity simply wished to be free and not ruled by another species. So the forerunners started to attack what was left of humanity's forces. The precursors helped humanity, as they were our allies. Even with humanity's army reduced to a small size, we were still very tough to beat. Unluckily, the precursors were wiped out, and it is said that 1 precursor survived, and is said to still be alive to the present day. I think he/she could play a big role in Halo 4, don't you? Humanity was eventually pushed back to our capitol city, were we held out for 50 years.

After humanity surrendered, most of the forerunners wanted humanity to be completely destroyed. The Librarian though, did not want humanity to be destroyed. Because of her position in the forerunner military, the forerunners decided to set humanity back before the stone ages, and completely destroy any record of pre-human civilization. Around 100,000 B.C.E, the flood reappeared and the forerunners activated halo. Forerunner sentinels repopulated the galaxy with life, including humans.

Section III. Supporting Information
In the animated short movies called Halo Legends, Origins I gives us a good picture of what happened to the forerunners. If you recall the scene where it shows forerunner sentinels placing the ark in Africa, there are Humans watching. What I find interesting in this scene is if the ark's were placed 100,000 B.C.E, then why do the humans look like modern humans? If humans weren't around before and were following evolution, the humans would look a bit different then modern humans. To my knowledge, -blam!- Sapiens, (a.k.a humans), didn't fully evolve until around 50,000 or 40,000 B.C.E. The only way for there to be modern looking humans watching a forerunner ark being placed in Africa is for there to have been a earlier advanced human civilization. Humans could have evolved quicker in the Halo story, and therefor make advanced technology sooner. This theory supports my idea that humans were advanced and DID fight the forerunners.

Another supporting theory is not so cryptic. 343 Guilty Spark calls Master Chief a "reclaimer." This means he needs to reclaim the forerunner technology and humanity was selected by the forerunners to do this. But could the simple word "reclaimer" have a double meaning?

Why would the forerunners choose the species that rebelled against them and fought them and eventually were set back in technology by the forerunners? What if 343 Guilty Spark also meant that the name "reclaimer" was suppose to help hint us that Master Chief was not just suppose to only reclaim the forerunner technology, but in doing this, he could reclaim the technology and the power and the life his species once had by using the forerunner technology? What if the forerunners choose humanity as the reclaimers because we were able to fight off the flood temporarily without dying out while the forerunners temporarily defeated the flood but DID die out? What if the forerunners didn't destroy humanity because the Librarian didn't want it, but because they knew we would be the best species to fight the flood and the best species to use the forerunner technology to destroy the flood? What if 343 Guilty Spark also meant that by calling Master Chief a "reclaimer?"

My finally piece of supporting evidence is the covenant's hate for humanity. We all know that the Prophet's think humanity are heretics and hate us and want us destroyed. But what if they also hated us for other reasons?

I believe some major reasons why the Covenant declared war on humanity were not because we were said to be "heretics," but because of our encounters with the forerunners in the pre-civilization? The reason that they think we are heretics could be because the prophets are jealous of us because we were the chosen "reclaimers." But what if they hated use because they know we rebelled against the forerunners in the pre-civilization? The forerunners were saw as the "Ancient and Holy ones" in the Covenant's eyes. Rebelling against the forerunners would be unthinkable. Maybe their main reason for war was because we disrespected the "Ancient and Holy ones" by rebelling against the forerunners. What if they thought that the halo rings should be used for the "Great Journey" and thought that humanity was not worthy to use the rings?

Q: But how would the Covenant find this information?
A: The covenant used forerunner technology for their armies. They easily could have found forerunner files containing this information about humanity.

Section IV. Summary
I have presented you with information on why I think Humanity and the Forerunners have a "Tough Love" relationship. I believe my argument, do you?

Discuss


P.S.
In the Halo 4 teaser trailer when Master Chief first gets outside the ship, you can see this strange, un-natural shape on the top of the ship. Could this be the last precursor? That would help support my theory. I guess we can only find out when Halo 4 comes out.

Thank you for reading,
Teddy304

  • 05.01.2012 3:04 PM PDT

I didn't read it all, but to correct part 1: the Precursors weren't really involved, but we DID fight an interstellar war with them. See, we used to be as advanced, possibly more so, than the Forerunners. We intruded on their territory, they saw it as an act of war, and the Forerunners do NOT have any warrior discipline. They blew us right back to the stone age and erased most our ancient civilization's existence.

Now, in Halo 4, the Forerunners might be an enemy. The Flood isn't, thats confirmed, and the Precursors are simply too god-tier to fight directly. If it is the Forerunners, it will likely be their original leader, Faber, who seemed to resent humans.

Not all Forerunners hated us, just the ones that mattered.

The alternative (the one I prefer) would be to have some of the Precursor's construct races. They could artificially create entire organic civilizations. It seems possible they'd use them as ground troops.

[Edited on 05.01.2012 3:18 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2012 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Read Cryptum and Primordium. Humans and Precursors never allied. They set the Flood on us, after all. 110000 years ago, we were a rival empire to the Forerunners. The Precursors were long gone by that time. Forerunners were huge jerks.

  • 05.01.2012 3:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Teddy304
I don't know if you guys consider Halopedia a a reliable source, but Halopedia stated that Humanity along with the aid of the precursors, fought a great war with the forerunners about 110,000 years ago.
Halopedian is more reliable, simply due to the fact that it has stricter editing enforcement and more users.

Halopedia (Halo Nation) is like the remnants of the Prophet race who didn't go on the Dreadnought. Left for dead.

Anyways, I'm expecting Forerunners to be allies. The April 18 Xbox 360 magazine ad is likely a hoax, probably cooked up by some photoshop master who's trying to make a theory popular or suppress another (previously, there was suspicions of Precursors as enemies) or by someone who was in a noisy room like this unfortunate guy.

So yeah, Forerunners, if they are even enemies, it will all be a huge misunderstanding and they'll make peace with Chief against a greater threat.

Right now, I'm expecting a new species or society (like how the Elites have Servants of Abiding Truth and UNSC has ONI) as the main enemy.

[Edited on 05.01.2012 3:37 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2012 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Teddy304
I don't know if you guys consider Halopedia a a reliable source, but Halopedia stated that Humanity along with the aid of the precursors, fought a great war with the forerunners about 110,000 years ago.
Halopedian is more reliable, simply due to the fact that it has stricter editing enforcement and more users.

Halopedia (Halo Nation) is like the remnants of the Prophet race who didn't go on the Dreadnought. Left for dead.

Anyways, I'm expecting Forerunners to be allies. The April 18 Xbox 360 magazine ad is likely a hoax, probably cooked up by some photoshop master who's trying to make a theory popular or suppress another (previously, there was suspicions of Precursors as enemies) or by someone who was in a noisy room like this unfortunate guy.


Do you know anything about the alleged OXM cover featuring the Chief holding a new gun? Because I've never heard if it was fake or not.

  • 05.01.2012 3:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Teddy304
I don't know if you guys consider Halopedia a a reliable source, but Halopedia stated that Humanity along with the aid of the precursors, fought a great war with the forerunners about 110,000 years ago.
Halopedian is more reliable, simply due to the fact that it has stricter editing enforcement and more users.

Halopedia (Halo Nation) is like the remnants of the Prophet race who didn't go on the Dreadnought. Left for dead.

Anyways, I'm expecting Forerunners to be allies. The April 18 Xbox 360 magazine ad is likely a hoax, probably cooked up by some photoshop master who's trying to make a theory popular or suppress another (previously, there was suspicions of Precursors as enemies) or by someone who was in a noisy room like this unfortunate guy.


Do you know anything about the alleged OXM cover featuring the Chief holding a new gun? Because I've never heard if it was fake or not.
I'm pretty certain it's legit. I'll try to find a link.

Edit: Here

[Edited on 05.01.2012 3:40 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2012 3:39 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

*Leaves humanity access to their technology
*Leaves 7 super-weapons that can obliterate sentient life throughout the galaxy
*Leaves an unknown number of Shield Worlds that can save potentially everyone from the Halos
*Kept running series of installations that shoot ships out of Slipspace

Yes, something enemies would totally do.

  • 05.01.2012 3:40 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Halopedia = No

Cryptum = Yes

That is not how it happened exactly. Ancient Humanity had the alliance with the Prophets, not the Precursors, when they encountered the Flood. The Flood almost destroyed them both, but voluntarily withdrew before it did so. When it withdrew, everyone had thought that Humanity had created a cure to combat it, but they had not. It was perhaps either just a co-incidence that they tried the "cure" at the same time as the Flood decided to stop, or that the Flood knew about it and played along.

As the Flood consumed their empires, massive refugee movements fled into Forerunner space and stole Forerunner worlds, attacking the populations of these worlds if need be. The Forerunners responded to this with the genocide of Humanity and the Prophets without enquiring one bit into the sudden change in attitude. (Probably because they had ulterior motives, but that's another story)


And the Covenant's hatred for Humanity was purely down to the Hierarchs and other trusted Prophets to them, who wanted to keep their power. Perhaps they were also jealous of Humanity's power over Forerunner artefacts, but that's likely all it was. They didn't know anything of pre-history, otherwise they would have found out how they helped Humanity fight the Forerunners.


Though I don't think the Forerunners will be enemies. After 100'000 years and everything that has happened, the Human-Forerunner war would be irrelevant.

In fact I think it is sort of silly concept that would require some MAJOR ass pulls, followed by some hefty plot shielding for the UNSC.

[Edited on 05.01.2012 3:43 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2012 3:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Teddy304
I don't know if you guys consider Halopedia a a reliable source, but Halopedia stated that Humanity along with the aid of the precursors, fought a great war with the forerunners about 110,000 years ago.
Halopedian is more reliable, simply due to the fact that it has stricter editing enforcement and more users.

Halopedia (Halo Nation) is like the remnants of the Prophet race who didn't go on the Dreadnought. Left for dead.

Anyways, I'm expecting Forerunners to be allies. The April 18 Xbox 360 magazine ad is likely a hoax, probably cooked up by some photoshop master who's trying to make a theory popular or suppress another (previously, there was suspicions of Precursors as enemies) or by someone who was in a noisy room like this unfortunate guy.


Do you know anything about the alleged OXM cover featuring the Chief holding a new gun? Because I've never heard if it was fake or not.
I'm pretty certain it's legit. I'll try to find a link.

Edit: Here


Cool. I'm assuming this is the May issue. Looking forward too it.

I just got confused because this was leaked before the April issue got released. When I finally got it I see Prophet from Crysis 3 instead of the Chief.

  • 05.01.2012 3:43 PM PDT