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Subject: Why didn't Bungie have Class-II S-IIs in Reach instead of S-IIIs

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

While I'm fine with the idea of S-IIIs having MJOLNIR armor (the best of the best that is) I feel it would have been better if Bungie had gone with Class-II Spartan-IIs instead.
Bungie and 343i have said that the "i love bees" campaign is canon and that the Class-II Spartans are as well. It seems though both companies don't actually care about expanding upon this element since Halo 4 is having S-IVs.
The Class-IIs have very little story development outside of I Love Bees. Actually the only Class-II we've ever seen is Nicole-458 (who was confirmed canon but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon.)

Anyway, why didn't Bungie just go with Class-II Spartan-IIs?
The only things that Bungie would have needed to have done was to make Noble Team bigger (Jorge height), changed their date of births to around 2531 (except Jorge, leave him Class-I) and rename them Class-II.

[Edited on 05.01.2012 10:21 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2012 10:18 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

Bungie decided to destroy as much of Halo as possible with Reach

  • 05.02.2012 4:11 AM PDT
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Because their adventure was a massacre, and has already been told in a book.

Wow, the hate in this thread is already impressive.

  • 05.02.2012 4:16 AM PDT

I dont think it really needs to be for any other reason than that they wanted to put s-III's in a game. Not to mention if you are going to make a Halo game in which almost all the main characters are going to die, why not use the UNSC's "disposable" soldiers?

  • 05.02.2012 8:00 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Sigma617
I thought the MJOLNIR determined the size of a Spartan.


Yeah, no.

  • 05.02.2012 8:47 AM PDT

People who post with sole directive of whining about Reach are babies.

Cite the part about Bungie and 343i saying i love bees is canon. Every word I've heard from Bungie about it has been evasive and distancing, not confirming, and I don't know if 343i has ever said anything about it.

Anyway, you answer the question yourself. i love bees is the only mention of a SPARTAN-II Class 2, so it's on shaky ground. Bringing in SPARTAN-IIIs doesn't trash the canon at all, and it's much less controversial than a second class of SPARTAN-IIs.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 9:21 AM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 9:17 AM PDT

Posted by: CavemanBCE
People who post with sole directive of whining about Reach are babies.

Cite the part about Bungie and 343i saying i love bees is canon. Every word I've heard from Bungie about it has been evasive and distancing, not confirming, and I don't know if 343i has ever said anything about it.

Anyway, you answer the question yourself. i love bees is the only mention of a SPARTAN-II Class 2, so it's on shaky ground. Bringing in SPARTAN-IIIs doesn't trash the canon at all, and it's much less controversial than a second class of SPARTAN-IIs.


This, and they wanted to show that S3's are on the same level as S2's when fully grown, and not just disposable 'cannon fodder'.

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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I think I love bees was mentioned in the Halo Alphabet video with O'Connor. Don't have a link, though.

  • 05.02.2012 2:02 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Also, here's another thought. Why not have Halo: Reach be about Beta Red? That was an eleven member Spartan team that were on Reach. Their storyline was never mentioned outside of First Strike until the Reach radio conversations. Actually it would have made a hell of a lot more sense for Bungie to have made Reach based off of Beta Red. This way no retcons were necessary.

The game could have started out with Bravo 001 being shot down. Fred and Kelly could have been in the beginning of the game until he assigns them to defend the ODP generators. From that a whole campaign could be forged about that. The game could start out on August 30th and continue on until Sept. 7 when John gets rescued. Beta Red would have to find a way off the planet and die trying. Of course they would all most likely dye like the other Spartans that were on Reach. These are 11 unidentified Spartans who have not been explored in any Halo canon.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 3:19 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 3:10 PM PDT