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Subject: Did Halo 3 bring closure

Poll: Did Halo 3 bring closure  [closed]
Yes :  63%
(51 Votes)
No :  37%
(30 Votes)
Total Votes: 81

Some people I've talked to have said that Halo 3 didn't have enough closure to the trilogy that it should of had. Aside from the Legendary Ending, do you think Halo 3 brough closure to the story and characters?

  • 05.02.2012 11:50 AM PDT

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Halo 3 had a great ending that brought closure. So yes.

  • 05.02.2012 11:52 AM PDT

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No it didn't bring closure, it showed Master Chief floating in space! To a mysterious structure.

  • 05.02.2012 12:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
No it didn't bring closure, it showed Master Chief floating in space! To a mysterious structure.
Op said without the legendary ending.

  • 05.02.2012 12:03 PM PDT

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  • 05.02.2012 12:07 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Yes.

  • 05.02.2012 12:10 PM PDT

"You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space." -Johnny Cash

Aside from the legendary ending, yes, the ending of Halo 3 did bring closure to the trilogy.

  • 05.02.2012 12:15 PM PDT

Ad Infinitum

Not enough. What was Cortana's current status? Was she really rampant, or was she perfectly fine and dandy? Where exactly did Chief end up? What happened to the Covenant now that Truth is dead?

It practically screamed "Roll out the red carpet, here comes Halo 4!"

Though, I suppose they could explain everything through multiple books.

  • 05.02.2012 12:16 PM PDT

"You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space." -Johnny Cash


Posted by: Atomic Tea
Not enough. What was Cortana's current status? Was she really rampant, or was she perfectly fine and dandy? Where exactly did Chief end up? What happened to the Covenant now that Truth is dead?

It practically screamed "Roll out the red carpet, here comes Halo 4!"

Though, I suppose they could explain everything through multiple books.

The OP said without the legendary ending. If we didn't see the legendary ending, we would've probably assumed that Master Chief and Cortana died. As for the state of the Covenant, they lost their leaders as well as High Charity, so the species of the Covenant most likely went their separate ways.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 12:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Aside from the terminals, pretty much all the plot threads are given a nice conclusion.

  • 05.02.2012 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

It brought all the closure I wanted. IMO, the series would have ended perfectly there. The Master Chief is alive when everyone thinks he is dead, he goes back into a cryo tube showing the end of his time, as was the start of it when got out in Halo CE (gamewise)

It was a perfect way to leave the game and end the Master Chief's story arch. I would have loved to see it end there.

The ending was great since it could leave for a future revival of the Master Chief's arch, but they preferred to keep it alive and not give it some time off.

As long as 343i doesn't massacre Halo 4, I'll be okay with it, although, deep down, I'll always have wanted it to end with 3.

  • 05.02.2012 12:32 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

No, Halo 3 provided absolutely no closure at all. In fact, the entire final mission is just a set-up for Halo 4.

Let's start out with the final Terminal, the first thing we see. Mendicant Bias tells John that he's sending him to the Forerunners as proof of his atonement, this alone sets up the premise for an entire new trilogy and providing the opportunity to delve into the story of the Forerunners.

Then the Gravemind. He somehow manages to survive the destruction of High Charity and begins rebuilding himself on Installation 04B, then when the Ring begins to rip itself apart he says that the destruction of the Ring will not be the end of him - it will merely delay his return.

Then there's the Covenant. We killed Truth and they fragmented, yes. But it's established in the description of the Assembly map that: "The Covenant war machine continues its march to conquest; even with its head severed it is still dangerous" The 'head' clearly refers to Truth and, by extension, the San'Shyuum, who have mysteriously fled to an unknown location. This suggests that the Covenant may be crippled but still has the potential to return - and we know that they do in Halo 4 at the opening of the game.

Then the Flood. Contained on the other Halos, but we don't know exactly what is transpiring on these other Halos. Penitent Tangent went rampant, neglecting his duties and therefore allowing the Flood to escape containment - we've seen how Monitors can become privy to rampancy after so much time alone, therefore the same could well happen on other Halos leading to more Flood outbreaks. And as a result, catastrophic ramifications, as speculated by 343 GS in CEA about what would happen if the Flood took control of a Halo.

Speaking of Halo, there are still 6 other Rings primed and ready to fire. As long as these Rings still exist, that's going to be a shadow constantly looming over the the galaxy.

Also, there's Cortana. What kind of closure would it be if she's just left standing there on the Dawn adrift in space for the rest of eternity? Is that really the ending that she deserves after we went through 3 whole games with her, the latter of which we spent ages trying to rescue her. Would that really be what you call 'closure' and 'satisfactory'?

To sum this all up, Halo 3 left so many loose ends it just wasn't even funny. There was no sense of closure, other than this idea that the story for John had come 'full circle' by sticking him back in cryo to reflect the opening of Halo CE. Yet they still added in the fact that he's been sent to the Forerunners which is a complete contradiction to the closure they were seemingly trying to implement...

Frankly, anyone who says that Halo 3 brought closure to the series is talking a load of twaddle!

[Edited on 05.02.2012 1:43 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 12:39 PM PDT

Ad Infinitum


Posted by: OMARRCHR

Posted by: Atomic Tea
Not enough. What was Cortana's current status? Was she really rampant, or was she perfectly fine and dandy? Where exactly did Chief end up? What happened to the Covenant now that Truth is dead?

It practically screamed "Roll out the red carpet, here comes Halo 4!"

Though, I suppose they could explain everything through multiple books.

The OP said without the legendary ending. If we didn't see the legendary ending, we would've probably assumed that Master Chief and Cortana died. As for the state of the Covenant, they lost their leaders as well as High Charity, so the species of the Covenant most likely went their separate ways.


Would of, should of, could of.

In regards to the Covenant, "most likely" is the key phrase. The Elites and Brutes have always hated each other. The Elites have problems with Thel's leadership.

If the Sangheili and Jirlhanae went to war, either side would of most likely hired the Kig-yar since that species have always been pirates/mercenaries who do anything for money and supplies. Not sure about the Unggoy... who knows what kind of leadership they have. They could be looking towards either race for political assistance.

The Hunters....are probably doing worm stuff. I doubt they'll ever get involved in anything again, if they don't want to.

Before you know it, it's back to fighting.

  • 05.02.2012 12:41 PM PDT

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Well you can't just disregard the Legendary ending. That's cutting out a portion of the story.

  • 05.02.2012 12:45 PM PDT

Posted by: HipiO7
It brought all the closure I wanted. IMO, the series would have ended perfectly there. The Master Chief is alive when everyone thinks he is dead, he goes back into a cryo tube showing the end of his time, as was the start of it when got out in Halo CE (gamewise)

It was a perfect way to leave the game and end the Master Chief's story arch. I would have loved to see it end there.

The ending was great since it could leave for a future revival of the Master Chief's arch, but they preferred to keep it alive and not give it some time off.

As long as 343i doesn't massacre Halo 4, I'll be okay with it, although, deep down, I'll always have wanted it to end with 3.


This.

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  • 05.02.2012 12:45 PM PDT

Posted by: About 9 Grunts
Well you can't just disregard the Legendary ending. That's cutting out a portion of the story.


This does not apply to the legendary ending of Halo: CE, however. The same could've been said for Halo 3.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 12:46 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 12:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: About 9 Grunts
Well you can't just disregard the Legendary ending. That's cutting out a portion of the story.


You don't even need to use the Legendary Ending as evidence, it links directly to the final terminal with Mendicant Bias.

  • 05.02.2012 12:46 PM PDT

Nope. It left the remaining Flood threat, the volatile situation with the Covenant remnant, the 6 still-primed Halos, humanity's inheritance of the universe, and the ultimate destination of the Forerunners--the one that Medicant Bias tells you he's sending you too--and the Precursors wide open.

The only thing it did was end the war, nothing else.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 12:47 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 12:47 PM PDT

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  • 05.02.2012 12:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: OMARRCHR

Posted by: Atomic Tea
Not enough. What was Cortana's current status? Was she really rampant, or was she perfectly fine and dandy? Where exactly did Chief end up? What happened to the Covenant now that Truth is dead?

It practically screamed "Roll out the red carpet, here comes Halo 4!"

Though, I suppose they could explain everything through multiple books.

The OP said without the legendary ending. If we didn't see the legendary ending, we would've probably assumed that Master Chief and Cortana died. As for the state of the Covenant, they lost their leaders as well as High Charity, so the species of the Covenant most likely went their separate ways.


Would of, should of, could of.

In regards to the Covenant, "most likely" is the key phrase. The Elites and Brutes have always hated each other. The Elites have problems with Thel's leadership.

If the Sangheili and Jirlhanae went to war, either side would of most likely hired the Kig-yar since that species have always been pirates/mercenaries who do anything for money and supplies. Not sure about the Unggoy... who knows what kind of leadership they have. They could be looking towards either race for political assistance.

The Hunters....are probably doing worm stuff. I doubt they'll ever get involved in anything again, if they don't want to.

Before you know it, it's back to fighting.

I see your point in regards to the whole Covenant situation. There's a lot that could've happened, but we didn't get informed as to what actually happened. Maybe this was because Bungie wanted us to come up with our own conclusions? Or maybe it was because Bungie wanted to leave as many options available for the story of Halo 4 as possible. We may never know.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 1:42 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 1:41 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Unfortunately Terminal 7 isn't as simple as that. Begs the question of where John and Cortana went if Bungie intended for Humans and Forerunners to be one and the same. (Not that I'm bothered that Cryptum retconned that. I always thought they were different anyway.)

I would rather have taken Halo 3 and been done with it than toss away the truce between Humanity and the Elites, and the end of the the Covenant war in general for another game. Lesser of two evils.

  • 05.02.2012 1:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Unfortunately Terminal 7 isn't as simple as that. Begs the question of where John and Cortana went if Bungie intended for Humans and Forerunners to be one and the same.


Bloody hell, I never knew they intended humanity and the Forerunners to be the same. That's absolutely retarded when they sanctioned things like The Cradle of Life and the Terminals which give absolutely no indication towards the races being related. The Librarian discovered humanity in a Tier 7 state, exactly how could they have been related when there wasn't the slightest inclination towards a relationship there?

It's like Mass Effect 3 and the Dark Energy plot, they foreshadow something (Contact Harvest, for example) and it amounts to absolutely nothing. Well, at the very least, Halo replaced that with an infinitely better story.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 1:52 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: anton1792
Unfortunately Terminal 7 isn't as simple as that. Begs the question of where John and Cortana went if Bungie intended for Humans and Forerunners to be one and the same.


Bloody hell, I never knew they intended humanity and the Forerunners to be the same. That's absolutely retarded when they sanctioned things like The Cradle of Life and the Terminals which give absolutely no indication towards the races being related. The Librarian discovered humanity in a Tier 7 state, exactly how could they have been related when there wasn't the slightest inclination towards a relationship there?

It's like Mass Effect 3 and the Dark Energy plot, they foreshadow something (Contact Harvest, for example) and it amounts to absolutely nothing. Well, at the very least, Halo replaced that with an infinitely better story.

Not sure of the exact timeline, but I think that idea had been changed when 3 rolled around. I think there is a thread in the Archive on it.

Edit: Found it. PMing you the link.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 2:09 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 2:05 PM PDT
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None of the Halos brought closure (Except for Reach... Sort of... Talking about the main trilogy, though)

Halo: Combat Evolved "I think we're just getting started."
Halo 2 "Sir... Finishing this fight."
Halo 3 "Wake me... When you need me."

They all ended the same way. Master Chief giving a badass statement letting players know they're not done with him yet. If anyone actually thinks any of these games offer closure, they're mistaken. I've found it irritating to see how many people actually feel that gave the entire series closure. It didn't.

It did give more closure than the rest of the games because it effectively ended the over whelming struggle against the Covenant but it was obvious that there was more to come. I was saying back in 2007 that there would be a nice trilogy. It was that obvious.

[Edited on 05.02.2012 2:33 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2012 2:25 PM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: anton1792
Unfortunately Terminal 7 isn't as simple as that. Begs the question of where John and Cortana went if Bungie intended for Humans and Forerunners to be one and the same.


Bloody hell, I never knew they intended humanity and the Forerunners to be the same. That's absolutely retarded when they sanctioned things like The Cradle of Life and the Terminals which give absolutely no indication towards the races being related. The Librarian discovered humanity in a Tier 7 state, exactly how could they have been related when there wasn't the slightest inclination towards a relationship there?

It's like Mass Effect 3 and the Dark Energy plot, they foreshadow something (Contact Harvest, for example) and it amounts to absolutely nothing. Well, at the very least, Halo replaced that with an infinitely better story.


Lol, Mass Effect's story is waaaay superior to Halo.

Lol, just...lol.

  • 05.02.2012 2:27 PM PDT

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