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Subject: Who else thought up of S-IVs as volunteers?

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The genetic perameters weren't as strict as Halsey's, but they still had standards. I believe Ackerson or Parandoksy wasnted to expand them even more to allow people without them into the program, but it was deemed too risky.

These are still Spartans.


I don't even know why we continue, Cobra. Obviously these imbeciles never seem to get it.

You've added nothing to the discussion besides "I like noble team"

Shut up.

  • 05.05.2012 7:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
I think thats where the confusion has been formed. In that sense, they don't carry the same GM as the S-II[As a whole] so the notion still stands.


Yeah I don't contend that, just saying markers weren't absent. Makes me wonder why else Ackerson would be hacking Halsey's info and records on individual Spartan-IIs as we learned in First Strike.

  • 05.05.2012 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ninjakenzen

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The genetic perameters weren't as strict as Halsey's, but they still had standards. I believe Ackerson or Parandoksy wasnted to expand them even more to allow people without them into the program, but it was deemed too risky.

These are still Spartans.


I don't even know why we continue, Cobra. Obviously these imbeciles never seem to get it.

You've added nothing to the discussion besides "I like noble team"

Shut up.


Ooh, getting a little feisty there aren't ya? Getting a little ticked off that someone doesn't share your view of Master Chief worship, eh? Kinda hard to swallow the fact there are people out there who don't admire him, or have another favorite character or group of characters that they prefer, or think are superior, isn't it?

The simple fact that you have resorted to such a lowly state to as to tell me to 'shut up', shows you have run out of dumbass things to say, and are at your end. I feel as though I have wasted enough of my time here, and will take my leave.

Goodday and T.T.F.N.!

[Edited on 05.05.2012 7:41 PM PDT]

  • 05.05.2012 7:40 PM PDT


Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The genetic perameters weren't as strict as Halsey's, but they still had standards. I believe Ackerson or Parandoksy wasnted to expand them even more to allow people without them into the program, but it was deemed too risky.

These are still Spartans.

I get what you're saying than. I agree that they are still Spartans. You're right but what I mean by GM= Halsey's Genetic Markers.

I think thats where the confusion has been formed. In that sense, they don't carry the same GM as the S-II[As a whole] so the notion still stands.
Pretty much. The Spartan IIIs had more lax criteria in terms of genetic markers.

Some of theirs were closer to the Spartan II genetic markers than others. These were the Headhunter, Noble Team, etc.

Although I think Bungie should have done a better job portraying Noble Team as super soldiers. Even Jorge, their Spartan II, didn't feal powerful. The only one who really felt like a Spartan was Noble Six at the end. How took out a few elites, and went down fighting.

  • 05.05.2012 7:44 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: ninjakenzen

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The genetic perameters weren't as strict as Halsey's, but they still had standards. I believe Ackerson or Parandoksy wasnted to expand them even more to allow people without them into the program, but it was deemed too risky.

These are still Spartans.


I don't even know why we continue, Cobra. Obviously these imbeciles never seem to get it.

You've added nothing to the discussion besides "I like noble team"

Shut up.


Ooh, getting a little feisty there aren't ya? Getting a little ticked off that someone doesn't share your view of Master Chief worship, eh? Kinda hard to swallow the fact there are people out there who don't admire him, or have another favorite character or group of characters that they prefer, or think are superior, isn't it?

The simple fact that you have resorted to such a lowly state to as to tell me to 'shut up', shows you have run out of dumbass things to say, and are at your end. I feel as though I have wasted enough of my time here, and will take my leave.

Goodday and T.T.F.N.!

I don't worship Master Cheif, I actually think he's a bland character. What the hell has this got to do with Master Chief worship and me not accepting other peoples opinion on the matter?

lowly state? I would say the bar was lowered earlier when you indirectly called me and others, an imbecile.

Oh trust me, I never run out of dumbass things to say.
:)

  • 05.05.2012 7:46 PM PDT


Posted by: ninjakenzen
Oh trust me, I never run out of dumbass things to say.
:)


Why am I not surprised?

  • 05.06.2012 7:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The genetic perameters weren't as strict as Halsey's, but they still had standards. I believe Ackerson or Parandoksy wasnted to expand them even more to allow people without them into the program, but it was deemed too risky.

These are still Spartans.

I get what you're saying than. I agree that they are still Spartans. You're right but what I mean by GM= Halsey's Genetic Markers.

I think thats where the confusion has been formed. In that sense, they don't carry the same GM as the S-II[As a whole] so the notion still stands.
Pretty much. The Spartan IIIs had more lax criteria in terms of genetic markers.

Some of theirs were closer to the Spartan II genetic markers than others. These were the Headhunter, Noble Team, etc.

Although I think Bungie should have done a better job portraying Noble Team as super soldiers. Even Jorge, their Spartan II, didn't feal powerful. The only one who really felt like a Spartan was Noble Six at the end. How took out a few elites, and went down fighting.


I felt a strong sense of super-soldier brotherhood in Reach.

  • 05.06.2012 7:01 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The genetic perameters weren't as strict as Halsey's, but they still had standards. I believe Ackerson or Parandoksy wasnted to expand them even more to allow people without them into the program, but it was deemed too risky.

These are still Spartans.

I get what you're saying than. I agree that they are still Spartans. You're right but what I mean by GM= Halsey's Genetic Markers.

I think thats where the confusion has been formed. In that sense, they don't carry the same GM as the S-II[As a whole] so the notion still stands.
Pretty much. The Spartan IIIs had more lax criteria in terms of genetic markers.

Some of theirs were closer to the Spartan II genetic markers than others. These were the Headhunter, Noble Team, etc.

Although I think Bungie should have done a better job portraying Noble Team as super soldiers. Even Jorge, their Spartan II, didn't feal powerful. The only one who really felt like a Spartan was Noble Six at the end. How took out a few elites, and went down fighting.


I felt a strong sense of super-soldier brotherhood in Reach.
Brotherhood? Eh, I can see where your coming from but I didn't feel it. The only deaths I cared about was Jorge's and Emile's (because he went down swinging like Six). I wasn't talking about the brother hood between them though. I was just saying that they didn't feel like the super soldiers they were meant to be.

  • 05.06.2012 7:19 PM PDT

Believe. Bungie.

This is literally what i was thinking. I can imagine it now. MC reaching the point in the game where the story of Chief and the Infinity intertwine and you meet a spartan IV who goes by the name of Buck. MC and him have to do some sort of mission with one another where anyone who doesn't know about Buck gets to familiarize themselves with him all over again and once again put him among the best of his class. Buck will be the greatest S-IV.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Meh, might as well take all the marines and convert them to S-IV's.

Seems do-able.

I doubt it's that easy. They'll only select the absolute best of the ODSTs, probably, so that the resulting SPARTAN-IVs are the best they can be.

I'm really interested in this SPARTAN-IV program. The UNSC Infinity with the SPARTAN-IVs could really tip the balance of power in the galaxy.


Nowadays when everything else is dead or drifting out of the galactic plain. Spartan IV's are butter to a hot knife like Spartan II's, III's, or an okay Sangheili.

Taking adults and slapping armor on them may seem all good in theory, but, in reality, doing that can NEVER produce a warrior like training one from childhood does.

  • 05.07.2012 3:52 PM PDT


Posted by: I Em I Raptor

Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Meh, might as well take all the marines and convert them to S-IV's.

Seems do-able.

I doubt it's that easy. They'll only select the absolute best of the ODSTs, probably, so that the resulting SPARTAN-IVs are the best they can be.

I'm really interested in this SPARTAN-IV program. The UNSC Infinity with the SPARTAN-IVs could really tip the balance of power in the galaxy.


Nowadays when everything else is dead or drifting out of the galactic plain. Spartan IV's are butter to a hot knife like Spartan II's, III's, or an okay Sangheili.

Taking adults and slapping armor on them may seem all good in theory, but, in reality, doing that can NEVER produce a warrior like training one from childhood does.
Exactly. The Greek Spartans were so fierce and and effective because they had been training since they were children, unlike most other soldiers at the time. I'm sure event at Thermopayle proves how effective and useful their training was.

  • 05.07.2012 5:02 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Much of the Greek Spartan's successes were to do with their phalanx formation, broad shields and heavy armour. Granted they were still more efficient than other soldiers due to their extreme training and the length of time they did it for, but most of their successes were probably down to those 3 things. We don't know how intensive the Spartan-IV training is, nor how long they have been at it.

[Edited on 05.07.2012 5:53 PM PDT]

  • 05.07.2012 5:53 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Much of the Greek Spartan's successes were to do with their phalanx formation, broad shields and heavy armour. Granted they were still more efficient than other soldiers due to their extreme training and the length of time they did it for, but most of their successes were probably down to those 3 things. We don't know how intensive the Spartan-IV training is, nor how long they have been at it.
If you had two armies with the EXACT same "everything" (weapons, tactics, resources, knowledge, etc), except for amount of training, who do you think would win? The army with more training.

What we do know is that Spartan IV's have trained for less time than a Spartan II. Spartan IV's are taken from adults who are already in the military. Spartan II's have been training since they are six years old. The Spartan II's already had a huge head start compared to even an ODST.

I'm not saying that the Spartan IV's will be bad soldiers. On the contrary, I think they will be great. However, I think they will pale in comparison compared to Spartan II's or even Spartan III's. Not sure if they deserve the name "Spartan" if they aren't even going through the "Spartan training". In Greek, no Spartan would accept another warrior as a Spartan if he had begun training as an adult. He may have great respect for said warrior if they fought well, but he would never call him a Spartan.

[Edited on 05.07.2012 6:03 PM PDT]

  • 05.07.2012 6:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
What we do know is that Spartan IV's have trained for less time than a Spartan II. Spartan IV's are taken from adults who are already in the military. Spartan II's have been training since they are six years old. The Spartan II's already had a huge head start compared to even an ODST.

Spartan-IIs trained for 8 years before going into active duty. Source me where it says the S-IVs have had less than that in their training program.

The IVs would also have real life experience on top of any possible training they would get. Real life experience is the best preparation you can get.

It sounds like you are comparing the 40 year old S-IIs and their decades of experience to the new S-IVs. That is ... dubious at best. You would need to wait until the IV also had a similar amount of time under their belt before you could do that. Compare a newly trained S-II with 8 years of training to a newly trained S-IV with the same amount of training and we'll see. Or take a 40 year old S-II with its 28 years of battlefield experience and a 40 year old S-IV with the same training (8 years) and let's say about 15 years of real life experience, and it is not likely to make them "pale in comparison". But you can't just take the IIs as they are now and then compare them to the IVs. Rather, you'll need to take the IIs as they were a few decades ago and compare them. I think the IVs will merely take longer to become as efficient as the S-IIs were at any given age.

Posted by: Spartan1995324
I'm not saying that the Spartan IV's will be bad soldiers. On the contrary, I think they will be great. However, I think they will pale in comparison compared to Spartan II's or even Spartan III's.

Another thing you are assuming is that the augments will remain the same in terms of power and scope, which is unfounded, as well as assuming that the capabilities of Mjolnir are not improved in some way.

  • 05.07.2012 6:55 PM PDT

First point... Touché.

Second point... You're right about the fact that the scope of the augmentations are unknown. However at this point there's speculation that the Spartans IV's use a lightweight version of MJOLNIR. What does this suggest if the Spartan IV's cannot wear a suit of armour that previous generations can?

However, we will have to wait until the games to find out how strong they are.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
First point... Touché.

Second point... You're right about the fact that the scope of the augmentations are unknown. However at this point there's speculation that the Spartans IV's use a lightweight version of MJOLNIR. What does this suggest if the Spartan IV's cannot wear a suit of armour that previous generations can?

However, we will have to wait until the games to find out how strong they are.


MJOLNIR being lightweight does not affect how user are required to have augmentations. MJOLNIR still requires augmentation to use the MJOLNIR.

You see, a prime example from Glasslands is that Naomi-010 is using Mark VII, lightweight one.

And I had a theory- MJOLNIR being lightweight allowed UNSC to mass produce (theoretically) cheaply. (By little bit, of course.)

So yes, SPARTAN-IV are likely to have SPARTAN augmentations. I have a suspicion that they will use similar method used for SPARTAN-III program. (Most likely, improved version of cocktail drugs of augmentations, which it would allow to augment adults instead of children.)

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Before Glasslands was released, a few friends and I thought up of how a Spartan-IV program would work. We all generally agreed that it would be comprised of volunteers or at least of ODSTs who would be augmented.
It seems 343i thought the same thing.
Who else thought of a similar idea for the Spartan-IV program?


That much was obvious.

Paragonsky was against the concept of the original S-II programme (flash cloning), and the S-IIIs were all volunteers.

  • 05.08.2012 3:34 AM PDT

Even then we don't know if they are superior to or inferior to S-IIs yet because the friggen game isn't even out yet.

  • 05.08.2012 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
They should've stopped with the SPARTAN-III Program.


Agreed. The idea of a S-IV project so soon after S-III just seems implausible and unlikely to me, it just seems like a rushed storyline element to me. If S-IVs were mentioned in an upcoming novel I would be ok with it but it just seems like an excuse for the multiplayer side of H4.

Wouldn't be surprised if we hear about S-Vs in the next book.

  • 05.08.2012 3:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Even then we don't know if they are superior to or inferior to S-IIs yet because the friggen game isn't even out yet.


There's no UNSC Soldier program superior to S-IIs. Spartan-IVs are the same as Spartan-IIIs, except their origins are different.

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
They should've stopped with the SPARTAN-III Program.

  • 05.09.2012 3:52 AM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Even then we don't know if they are superior to or inferior to S-IIs yet because the friggen game isn't even out yet.


There's no UNSC Soldier program superior to S-IIs. Spartan-IVs are the same as Spartan-IIIs, except their origins are different.


We don't know that yet, because, like I said, in a post YOU quoted, the game isn't even out yet!

  • 05.09.2012 11:23 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Even then we don't know if they are superior to or inferior to S-IIs yet because the friggen game isn't even out yet.


There's no UNSC Soldier program superior to S-IIs. Spartan-IVs are the same as Spartan-IIIs, except their origins are different.


We don't know that yet, because, like I said, in a post YOU quoted, the game isn't even out yet!



This. This right here.

  • 05.09.2012 11:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Even then we don't know if they are superior to or inferior to S-IIs yet because the friggen game isn't even out yet.


There's no UNSC Soldier program superior to S-IIs. Spartan-IVs are the same as Spartan-IIIs, except their origins are different.


We don't know that yet, because, like I said, in a post YOU quoted, the game isn't even out yet!


You thinking that the game has the only information on Spartan-IVs. Spartan-IVs were revealed in Glasslands. They are nothing more than volunteers who are already in the UNSC who get augmented and wear a light weight MJOLNIR variant. They are equal to Spartan-IIIs.

  • 05.10.2012 4:56 PM PDT

Spartan IIIs at least trained as children. They are more deserving of the title than the Spartan IVs.

Spartan IVs seem like wanna be Spartans at the moment...

SEEM.

  • 05.10.2012 5:29 PM PDT

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