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Subject: New low for Halo 1

This is a Reach account that I created the day they announced his name in a bnet weekly update. Any stats regarding ODST or Halo 3 are irrelevant. Also, Halo CE master race. Halo 1 > other halo games > other games.

Account Status: Silver :(

I found a guy that thinks Halo CE is the worst campaign in the series. He even has a halo 1 inspired username. The irony.

  • 05.05.2012 2:06 PM PDT
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  • 05.05.2012 6:42 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Why I am honoured, I have never had a thread made about me before

But the only reason I think CE is the least good Halo game is because there are only 3 good missions in it, those are Truth and Reconciliarion, Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room. The other missions are, frankly, garbage.

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3:ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Halo 2 has only two bad missions,Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone, but I would still happily play through them if I was doing a complete playthrough. Plus Halo 2 has the best story in the series.

Halo 3 has no bad missions, I enjoyed all of them. My only dislikes are it is too short and the story doesn't really pick up until after the Storm.

Halo 3: ODST was also fun and I would happily replay it. It is by far the most realistic Halo and it added a whole new level of believability to the Halo Universe.

Halo Reach, I admit, had a crap story, but apart from New Alexandria and Long Night of Solace the missions are fun to play through.

So there are my reasons for thinking CE is the least good Halo

[Edited on 05.06.2012 3:20 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2012 3:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Why I am honoured, I have never had a thread made about me before

But the only reason I think CE is the least good Halo game is because there are only 3 good missions in it, those are Truth and Reconciliarion, Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room. The other missions are, frankly, garbage.

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3:ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Halo 2 has only two bad missions,Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone, but I would still happily play through them if I was doing a complete playthrough. Plus Halo 2 has the best story in the series.

Halo 3 has no bad missions, I enjoyed all of them. My only dislikes are it is too short and the story doesn't really pick up until after the Storm.

Halo 3: ODST was also fun and I would happily replay it. It is by far the most realistic Halo and it added a whole new level of believability to the Halo Universe.

Halo Reach, I admit, had a crap story, but apart from New Alexandria and Long Night of Solace the missions are fun to play through.

So there are my reasons for thinking CE is the least good Halo


Well I think you fail to recognize the difference in the time and talent between those games. I really love all of the Halos and appreciate each one for what is it. In the case of CE, it was a revolutionary game in many aspects during the time period. It also laid a brilliant stage for a massive online following thanks to split screen and LAN gameplay.

  • 05.06.2012 7:08 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

I only judge Halos on single player.

  • 05.06.2012 9:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
Why I am honoured, I have never had a thread made about me before
Lies.

Posted by: Mark V guy
So there are my reasons for thinking CE is the least good Halo
Reasons? Those were all opinion.

Anyone who appreciates AI (CE's AI were the most balanced and 99.9% of them were reasonable), exploration (a la CE 2nd level), and level variety (space, alien world, nighttime desert, alien ship, island, snowing, jungle, lab, Forerunner structures) will say CE is the best Halo. By the looks of it, you only like those other Halo games more than CE because of their story. You connect story with immersion and while that is good, you overlook CE's immersion, which is 10x better than any other Halo game.

CE had:
-big fov
-big draw distance
-the AI and fighting was mostly left to you. The game didn't interfere with your designs and didn't ruin stealth
-only 3 usable enemy weapons yet they were unique

-overall consistency: weapons, vehicles, AI didn't get deleted from the level. This is one of the major grievances of H2 and H3. In CE, you had to be looking away for dropped weapons and dead bodies for removal to happen. While this was still the case in H2, in H3, the game deleted them even when you had them in your sight. In CE, the AI rarely got deleted. You could leave an area and then return to it and the AI will still be there.

-geometry manipulation at load points. While I hated how the geometry of some locations wasn't always consistent, it did make locations somewhat refreshing. I liked how some things could be controllable (changing a small rock to a big rock for cover).

-consistent geometry. No I'm not contradicting myself here. Above I'm talking about locations. Here I'm talking about dropped weapons. In H3, often, weapons can fall through the ground. Very irritating and was one of the reasons why I hated H3. But in CE, this never happens and can be induced, beneficially: if you drop a weapon between the legs of a combat form, the weapon can end up dropping through the floor. This was very useful when I was using an older strategy for bringing down a sword Goldie on Two Betrayals Legendary difficulty.

I rest my case:
Posted by: Mark V guy
I only judge Halos on single player.


[Edited on 05.06.2012 12:25 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2012 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Why I am honoured, I have never had a thread made about me before

But the only reason I think CE is the least good Halo game is because there are only 3 good missions in it, those are Truth and Reconciliarion, Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room. The other missions are, frankly, garbage.

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3:ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Halo 2 has only two bad missions,Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone, but I would still happily play through them if I was doing a complete playthrough. Plus Halo 2 has the best story in the series.

Halo 3 has no bad missions, I enjoyed all of them. My only dislikes are it is too short and the story doesn't really pick up until after the Storm.

Halo 3: ODST was also fun and I would happily replay it. It is by far the most realistic Halo and it added a whole new level of believability to the Halo Universe.

Halo Reach, I admit, had a crap story, but apart from New Alexandria and Long Night of Solace the missions are fun to play through.

So there are my reasons for thinking CE is the least good Halo


Dude you used to hate Halo 2 and now you dislike Halo 1?! Halo 1 is a great game, if Halo Ce had not been super popular the other Halos and even perhaps the xbox would be no more.

  • 05.06.2012 12:30 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

You have valid points Ghost. However, I judge Halo campaigns not only by story, but by the amount of fun it offers. Sure, CE may not delete AI and weapons, and sure it had level variety, and sure it had balance AI and all. But for me, those things don't make the game any more fun. For me, it's all about how much enjoyment I get out of playing through a level, fighting the enemies, using the weapons and becoming involved in the story, and Halo 2 offers all that to me. The enemies are very fun to fight, even the Flood at some parts. The weapons are way more fun to use than CEs weapons, especially the plasma rifle. The level designs are generally better and more fun to play through, and the story is way better than CE IMO

In CE, the only missions which I think are good and fun to play are Truth and Reconciliation, Silent Cartograoher and Assault on the Control Room. The thought of playing through the rest makes me sick. The thought of having to play through the rest if the missions makes me aick. Having to drive around on some green hills being bired out of my mind on Halo makes me sick, having to rely on a shotgun and fight flood after flood while navigating through the most confusing level design on 343 GS makes me sick, and having to fight flood and flood pouring out of the wall in the Library makes me sick, and having to fight through waves of flood to get to a banshee just to have my shields depleted and then killed by 50 flood and sentinels on Two Betrayals makes me sick, and suffering framerate drops due to grenade slamming grunts and carrier forms in
Keyes makes me sick, and the Maw, fighting those infinitely spawning flood and sentinels in the last room makes me sick

I get fun, whether that be enjoyment from the game mechanics and level designs or immersion in the story, from all Halo games. But CE has the least fun to offer me, it only has 3 missions which are fun.

And lies you say? When else has a thread been made about me?

[Edited on 05.06.2012 12:46 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2012 12:41 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Chief077

Posted by: Mark V guy
Why I am honoured, I have never had a thread made about me before

But the only reason I think CE is the least good Halo game is because there are only 3 good missions in it, those are Truth and Reconciliarion, Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room. The other missions are, frankly, garbage.

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3:ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Halo 2 has only two bad missions,Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone, but I would still happily play through them if I was doing a complete playthrough. Plus Halo 2 has the best story in the series.

Halo 3 has no bad missions, I enjoyed all of them. My only dislikes are it is too short and the story doesn't really pick up until after the Storm.

Halo 3: ODST was also fun and I would happily replay it. It is by far the most realistic Halo and it added a whole new level of believability to the Halo Universe.

Halo Reach, I admit, had a crap story, but apart from New Alexandria and Long Night of Solace the missions are fun to play through.

So there are my reasons for thinking CE is the least good Halo


Dude you used to hate Halo 2 and now you dislike Halo 1?! Halo 1 is a great game, if Halo Ce had not been super popular the other Halos and even perhaps the xbox would be no more.


Yes, but if a game like any other Halo had come out it would have also been revolutionary and saved the. Xbox.

Halo CE was only revolutionary because at the time, no one had seen anything like it, and at the time it was immense. But IMO since then all the later Halos have been better than CE.

  • 05.06.2012 12:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
and having to fight through waves of flood to get to a banshee just to have my shields depleted and then killed by 50 flood and sentinels on Two Betrayals makes me sick
So there weren't any Covies at all?

Posted by: Mark V guy
and the Maw, fighting those infinitely spawning flood and sentinels in the last room makes me sick
Didn't you also complain about the infinitely spawning Flood and Sentinels on Quarantine Zone? And you've no doubt noticed the infinitely spawning Flood on Cortana in the room with the 8th skull.

My point is, if you find those infinitely spawning parts too overwhelming, don't bother with them. Hell, even I don't bother with them. Imo, infinitely spawning enemies is just tedious and leaves no room for creative combat. That's one reason why I dislike LNoS's mission start.

Posted by: Mark V guy
and suffering framerate drops due to grenade slamming grunts and carrier forms in
Keyes makes me sick
Those Grunts are supposed to throw grenades. But the secret is to exploit their grenade throwing. If you shoot them (or at them), they do it. But if you don't, do they ever do it?

As for the Carrier Forms, this isn't by any chance a reference to those infinitely spawning Carrier Forms that fight the Hunters? Otherwise, I can agree that Keyes was infested with Carrier Forms.

But how do these make the frame rate drop?

Are you on Xbox, Xbox 360, or PC?

Are you playing the original Xbox game or Anniversary?

And at which point, specifically. It can't be everywhere because I have never seen that in all my playthroughs.

Posted by: Mark V guy
And lies you say? When else has a thread been made about me?
If I recall correctly. It's been a really long time since that time you did the same thing with H2.

[Edited on 05.06.2012 12:54 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2012 12:49 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


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Posted by: Mark V guy
and having to fight through waves of flood to get to a banshee just to have my shields depleted and then killed by 50 flood and sentinels on Two Betrayals makes me sick
So there weren't any Covies at all?

Posted by: Mark V guy
and the Maw, fighting those infinitely spawning flood and sentinels in the last room makes me sick
Didn't you also complain about the infinitely spawning Flood and Sentinels on Quarantine Zone? And you've no doubt noticed the infinitely spawning Flood on Cortana in the room with the 8th skull.

My point is, if you find those infinitely spawning parts too overwhelming, don't bother with them. Hell, even I don't bother with them. Imo, infinitely spawning enemies is just tedious and leaves no room for creative combat. That's one reason why I dislike LNoS's mission start.

Posted by: Mark V guy
and suffering framerate drops due to grenade slamming grunts and carrier forms in
Keyes makes me sick
Those Grunts are supposed to throw grenades. But the secret is to exploit their grenade throwing. If you shoot them (or at them), they do it. But if you don't, do they ever do it?

As for the Carrier Forms, this isn't by any chance a reference to those infinitely spawning Carrier Forms that fight the Hunters? Otherwise, I can agree that Keyes was infested with Carrier Forms.

But how do these make the frame rate drop?

Are you on Xbox, Xbox 360, or PC?

Are you playing the original Xbox game or Anniversary?

And at which point, specifically. It can't be everywhere because I have never seen that in all my playthroughs.

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And lies you say? When else has a thread been made about me?
If I recall correctly. It's been a really long time since that time you did the same thing with H2.


I play on the PC. And I agree that infinitely spawning enemies is overwhelming and tedious.

On Keyes, it's mainly after you've retrieved the neural implants, then you go through that door with loads of spec ops grunts and elites. The grunts then throw loads of the grenades and the carrier forms just explode like a chain reaction.

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Posted by: Mark V guy

I play on the PC.

And I agree that infinitely spawning enemies is overwhelming and tedious.
Well I suppose that's good. The Xbox version has some flaws in the controls. Crouching can easily get annoying and instead of holding X to get in a vehicle, it's press X.

I like limited numbers since there's more room for customization. Like in that plasma rifle video I showed you. There used to be a lot of Covies in that area before I killed them off, leaving only a few Elite minors and majors.

Posted by: Mark V guy
On Keyes, it's mainly after you've retrieved the neural implants, then you go through that door with loads of spec ops grunts and elites. The grunts then throw loads of the grenades and the carrier forms just explode like a chain reaction.
That's what I suspected.

The key is to not approach the door. That way, you can fight the Flood without interference.

To only fight the Covies, kill all the Flood first then speedrun past the Covies, make a right turn and there should be a health pack, continue a bit further for a checkpoint and now you can go back and fight the Covies.

  • 05.06.2012 4:44 PM PDT

Driving through green hills being bored out of your mind?
There is one part where you are driving from one section to another on the level Halo. Other than that when are you driving through the rolling hills of Halo? In halo two there are more scenarios where you drive/fly for periods of time with little action as well.

If you find the Library confusing, I'm sorry for you buddy. 343 Guilty Spark and the Library are fun levels because of how challenging they are. The experience of seeing the Flood for the first time makes those levels so great.

And if getting out of the terminals in Two Betrayals makes you sick, then again, I'm sorry. It's not supposed to be easy for everyone to do it, it's supposed to be challenging.

I see your arguments against Halo CE, but I also see flaws in every other game as well. ODST being the most realistic? If you hated driving through the hills, how sick did it make you do walk forever in the rain and dark in ODST?

  • 05.06.2012 7:00 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Actually i enjoyed wondering around mombasa streets as it had a much more interesting enviroment to offer

  • 05.07.2012 1:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
Actually i enjoyed wondering around mombasa streets as it had a much more interesting enviroment to offer
I can see why you enjoy H2 more.

But H4 will have much more Forerunner. Are you going to be able to enjoy that?

  • 05.07.2012 11:10 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy
Actually i enjoyed wondering around mombasa streets as it had a much more interesting enviroment to offer
I can see why you enjoy H2 more.

But H4 will have much more Forerunner. Are you going to be able to enjoy that?


Depends if the levels are well designed and have fun enemies. If they are anything like Assault on the Control Room or any of Halo 2s forerunner missions I guess I will, unless they are overrun with tedious and annoying enemies. If the Flood come back in Halo 4 I want them to be like Halo 3 flood

  • 05.07.2012 11:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
If they are anything like Assault on the Control Room or any of Halo 2s forerunner missions I guess I will, unless they are overrun with tedious and annoying enemies.
Ok. Makes sense now that I think about it. AotCR and H2's Forerunner missions did support stealth and allow glitching fun.

Posted by: Mark V guy
Depends if the levels are well designed and have fun enemies.
And by fun, you mean extremely well balanced to the point that they don't present much of a challenge to veteran players?

Though I despise damage sponge enemies and the bs luck factor of current Halo Legendary difficulty, I don't appreciate excessive nerfing and then 'stacking on a lot of damage to compensate' either.

[Edited on 05.07.2012 3:50 PM PDT]

  • 05.07.2012 3:49 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy
If they are anything like Assault on the Control Room or any of Halo 2s forerunner missions I guess I will, unless they are overrun with tedious and annoying enemies.
Ok. Makes sense now that I think about it. AotCR and H2's Forerunner missions did support stealth and allow glitching fun.

Posted by: Mark V guy
Depends if the levels are well designed and have fun enemies.
And by fun, you mean extremely well balanced to the point that they don't present much of a challenge to veteran players?

Though I despise damage sponge enemies and the bs luck factor of current Halo Legendary difficulty, I don't appreciate excessive nerfing and then 'stacking on a lot of damage to compensate' either.


I can't really say myself what I would find fun TBH. I suppose every Halo game as introduced something new that I found enjoyable. I just like enemies that are fun to kill and levels which have choice and variety. For you, I think you would probably like enemies who aren't overpowered but have very smart AI.

  • 05.07.2012 4:08 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

here we go again...

  • 05.07.2012 9:58 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: path1k
here we go again...


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  • 05.08.2012 12:08 AM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy

I play on the PC.

And I agree that infinitely spawning enemies is overwhelming and tedious.
Well I suppose that's good. The Xbox version has some flaws in the controls. Crouching can easily get annoying and instead of holding X to get in a vehicle, it's press X.

I like limited numbers since there's more room for customization. Like in that plasma rifle video I showed you. There used to be a lot of Covies in that area before I killed them off, leaving only a few Elite minors and majors.

Posted by: Mark V guy
On Keyes, it's mainly after you've retrieved the neural implants, then you go through that door with loads of spec ops grunts and elites. The grunts then throw loads of the grenades and the carrier forms just explode like a chain reaction.
That's what I suspected.

The key is to not approach the door. That way, you can fight the Flood without interference.

To only fight the Covies, kill all the Flood first then speedrun past the Covies, make a right turn and there should be a health pack, continue a bit further for a checkpoint and now you can go back and fight the Covies.
There's an easier way to get past there. Charge the Covenant door, then run the -blam!- to the back of the room. If you time it right, the Grunts will 'nade the first few flood. The Flood and Covenant will literally wipe themselves out. I'm not even joking; half the time there will be nothing left alive when I move in to clean up.

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There's an easier way to get past there. Charge the Covenant door, then run the -blam!- to the back of the room. If you time it right, the Grunts will 'nade the first few flood. The Flood and Covenant will literally wipe themselves out. I'm not even joking; half the time there will be nothing left alive when I move in to clean up.
I was under the impression that he only wanted to play with the Covies.

But if this is the case, wow I've been missing out! Was this on Legendary?

  • 05.09.2012 12:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mark V guy
On Keyes, it's mainly after you've retrieved the neural implants, then you go through that door with loads of spec ops grunts and elites. The grunts then throw loads of the grenades and the carrier forms just explode like a chain reaction.

The plasmas thrown take time to detonate; just the amount of time it takes to move to the opposite corner of the control room, being able to kill any flood which follow you after the initial explosion. The remaining and other waves will be too busy with the remaining SpecOPs Covenant for them to bother attacking you; enough time for Master Chief to take a toilet break from all the hard work he's put in.

  • 05.09.2012 6:49 AM PDT

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: chickenlittle

There's an easier way to get past there. Charge the Covenant door, then run the -blam!- to the back of the room. If you time it right, the Grunts will 'nade the first few flood. The Flood and Covenant will literally wipe themselves out. I'm not even joking; half the time there will be nothing left alive when I move in to clean up.
I was under the impression that he only wanted to play with the Covies.

But if this is the case, wow I've been missing out! Was this on Legendary?
Spin the wheel. Regardless, a few flood might charge you but most will fight the Covenant.

  • 05.09.2012 4:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mark V guy

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Posted by: Mark V guy
If they are anything like Assault on the Control Room or any of Halo 2s forerunner missions I guess I will, unless they are overrun with tedious and annoying enemies.
Ok. Makes sense now that I think about it. AotCR and H2's Forerunner missions did support stealth and allow glitching fun.

Posted by: Mark V guy
Depends if the levels are well designed and have fun enemies.
And by fun, you mean extremely well balanced to the point that they don't present much of a challenge to veteran players?

Though I despise damage sponge enemies and the bs luck factor of current Halo Legendary difficulty, I don't appreciate excessive nerfing and then 'stacking on a lot of damage to compensate' either.


I can't really say myself what I would find fun TBH. I suppose every Halo game as introduced something new that I found enjoyable. I just like enemies that are fun to kill and levels which have choice and variety. For you, I think you would probably like enemies who aren't overpowered but have very smart AI.


You can't judge a game by it's level of fun in your opinion, put it on here, and expect people to agree with you.

  • 05.18.2012 2:40 PM PDT

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