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Subject: New low for Halo 1

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy
If they are anything like Assault on the Control Room or any of Halo 2s forerunner missions I guess I will, unless they are overrun with tedious and annoying enemies.
Ok. Makes sense now that I think about it. AotCR and H2's Forerunner missions did support stealth and allow glitching fun.

Posted by: Mark V guy
Depends if the levels are well designed and have fun enemies.
And by fun, you mean extremely well balanced to the point that they don't present much of a challenge to veteran players?

Though I despise damage sponge enemies and the bs luck factor of current Halo Legendary difficulty, I don't appreciate excessive nerfing and then 'stacking on a lot of damage to compensate' either.


I can't really say myself what I would find fun TBH. I suppose every Halo game as introduced something new that I found enjoyable. I just like enemies that are fun to kill and levels which have choice and variety. For you, I think you would probably like enemies who aren't overpowered but have very smart AI.


You can't judge a game by it's level of fun in your opinion, put it on here, and expect people to agree with you.


Its not all about opinion, its about what the opinion is based in.

I find Halo 3 flood far more fun to kill than Halo 1 and 2 flood, because they are not damage sponges

I also find the level designs in CE to be boring in some missions, because there are either too many Flood, copy and paste enviroments and getting lost

  • 05.18.2012 5:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
Its not all about opinion, its about what the opinion is based in.

I find Halo 3 flood far more fun to kill than Halo 1 and 2 flood, because they are not damage sponges
You can use headshot weapons in Halo 2 the same way as you can in Halo 3. As for the first game, though, that was the whole point. You couldn't just shoot everything in the head and get through. The Flood poured on like a flood of death, forcing the player to go on the defensive and adapt.

I also find the level designs in CE to be boring in some missions, because there are either too many Flood, copy and paste enviroments and getting lostAgain, that would probably be because they didn't have tens of millions of dollars to create the game, nor did they have a large design team.

  • 05.18.2012 6:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Its not all about opinion, its about what the opinion is based in.


You can't base opinion in anything. Opinion is opinion. I think you may be 11 or something, so you didn't truly appreciate the last gen of Halo.

  • 05.18.2012 8:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

I find Halo 3 flood far more fun to kill than Halo 1 and 2 flood, because they are not damage sponges
Flood are supposed to be overwhelming.

And you can't really call H1 Flood damage sponges when they're downed by a couple of shots from the pistol or plasma weapons. If you're ending up with Flood right next to you that you need to melee them, then you're doing things wrong. Disarm them by shooting at their whip arm, bring a shotgun, use grenades, play stealthy. I like CE Flood because they get stunned when they're meleed. That gives me time to distance myself or retaliate.

In H3, I find fighting Flood to be really simple. I never bother with grenades since sometimes they don't get killed by the blast and I rarely shoot at them (except when I'm trying to keep allies alive) because I can just melee them.

  • 05.19.2012 2:09 AM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy
If they are anything like Assault on the Control Room or any of Halo 2s forerunner missions I guess I will, unless they are overrun with tedious and annoying enemies.
Ok. Makes sense now that I think about it. AotCR and H2's Forerunner missions did support stealth and allow glitching fun.

Posted by: Mark V guy
Depends if the levels are well designed and have fun enemies.
And by fun, you mean extremely well balanced to the point that they don't present much of a challenge to veteran players?

Though I despise damage sponge enemies and the bs luck factor of current Halo Legendary difficulty, I don't appreciate excessive nerfing and then 'stacking on a lot of damage to compensate' either.


I can't really say myself what I would find fun TBH. I suppose every Halo game as introduced something new that I found enjoyable. I just like enemies that are fun to kill and levels which have choice and variety. For you, I think you would probably like enemies who aren't overpowered but have very smart AI.


You can't judge a game by it's level of fun in your opinion, put it on here, and expect people to agree with you.


Its not all about opinion, its about what the opinion is based in.

I find Halo 3 flood far more fun to kill than Halo 1 and 2 flood, because they are not damage sponges

I also find the level designs in CE to be boring in some missions, because there are either too many Flood, copy and paste enviroments and getting lost

I'm sorry but the argument that the Flood are more fun in Halo 3 because they aren't damage sponges is absurd. The Flood were far more challenging in Halo for the lack of headshot capability but a Pistol and Shotgun would still dominate them with a few well placed grenades.

Halo 2's were still easy. I thought it was almost common sense by now to carry a headshot weapon (BR? Carbine? Pistol?) when fighting the Flood. You could still charge through it even on Legendary provided there wasn't a large amount of them. If you found them to be bullet sponges in Halo 2 then you're simply not carrying the right weapons.

Halo 3 was dumbed down so much difficulty wise for the casual/younger gamer that it was a walk in the park even on Legendary. Most deaths would be due to carelessness. The Flood are an example of this, going from bullet sponges to twigs that snap with a simple punch or a few small rounds, they're supposed to give the feeling of fear and a powerful alternative to the Covenant, not easy kills.

/Rant

  • 05.19.2012 2:55 AM PDT
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Regarding the H2 Flood, I think it's because weapons are underpowered that they seem like damage sponges. Also, they have that psychological effect. I've played Flood levels with all skulls on as you know and holy -blam!-, they are fast and when they're berserking, being caught in the open is not a good idea.

But yeah, H3 nerfed enemies. If it weren't for the high damage, I could kill Hunters, Flood, and Jackal snipers without even trying.

[Edited on 05.19.2012 4:54 AM PDT]

  • 05.19.2012 4:53 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Personally i dont like having to rely on certain weapons to kill enemies. The good thing about Halo 3 is that you can choose your favourite weapons to fight any enemy. For once you dont need to carry a shotgun or sword for flood levels. Last night i was having so much fun playing through Cortana with triple wield spikers. If that level was in Halo 2 or even CE i would probably have to drop them at some point for a headshot weapon or a close range weapon

  • 05.19.2012 6:55 AM PDT
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What was the difficulty?

[Edited on 05.19.2012 7:43 AM PDT]

  • 05.19.2012 7:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy
Personally i dont like having to rely on certain weapons to kill enemies. The good thing about Halo 3 is that you can choose your favourite weapons to fight any enemy. For once you dont need to carry a shotgun or sword for flood levels. Last night i was having so much fun playing through Cortana with triple wield spikers. If that level was in Halo 2 or even CE i would probably have to drop them at some point for a headshot weapon or a close range weapon

Play on Easy then. All of the Halo games are a walk in the park on easy, you don't even have to try and can do what you want with all the weapons. If you want a fun challenge then adapt like most players do on the higher difficulty levels.

  • 05.19.2012 7:50 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind cover

  • 05.19.2012 8:23 AM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.
And that is why you can use any weapon. Halo 2 or 3 on anything higher than Normal and you are legitimately forced to use specific weapons. In CE, you can still use all of them in any given situation on Heroic, and most on Legendary.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind coverThat's what happens in Halo 2 & 3. In CE, you actually stand a chance when out of cover. You must be confusing them.

  • 05.19.2012 8:32 AM PDT


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Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.
And that is why you can use any weapon. Halo 2 or 3 on anything higher than Normal and you are legitimately forced to use specific weapons. In CE, you can still use all of them in any given situation on Heroic, and most on Legendary.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind coverThat's what happens in Halo 2 & 3. In CE, you actually stand a chance when out of cover. You must be confusing them.

Halo 2 was the worst for that. Halo 3's was still nothing difficult. I still think Halo CE is pretty difficult at times and i hold Halo 2 and Reach to be roughly the same in difficulty.

  • 05.19.2012 8:45 AM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.


Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind cover


Yep, your a kid who LOVES changing his mind.

Regarding the Flood discussion, I felt that CE Flood were designed to scare you, while still dishing out the damage. They were a great challenge, and I loved how they did the Super Jumps (Which were nerfed in subsequent Halo games). Halo 2, while being easier to kill, came in vechiles, spicing up gameplay. As soon as I got H3 and played Floodgate, I knew it would be easy when I could meelee a Flood to death for the first time.

  • 05.19.2012 3:08 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind cover


Yep, your a kid who LOVES changing his mind.

Regarding the Flood discussion, I felt that CE Flood were designed to scare you, while still dishing out the damage. They were a great challenge, and I loved how they did the Super Jumps (Which were nerfed in subsequent Halo games). Halo 2, while being easier to kill, came in vechiles, spicing up gameplay. As soon as I got H3 and played Floodgate, I knew it would be easy when I could meelee a Flood to death for the first time.


Oh yeah forgot to say. CE is pretty easy in Heroic

Dont forget Halo 3 added pure forms to make gameplay tougher

  • 05.19.2012 3:29 PM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.


Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind cover


Yep, your a kid who LOVES changing his mind.

Regarding the Flood discussion, I felt that CE Flood were designed to scare you, while still dishing out the damage. They were a great challenge, and I loved how they did the Super Jumps (Which were nerfed in subsequent Halo games). Halo 2, while being easier to kill, came in vechiles, spicing up gameplay. As soon as I got H3 and played Floodgate, I knew it would be easy when I could meelee a Flood to death for the first time.


Oh yeah forgot to say. CE is pretty easy in Heroic

Dont forget Halo 3 added pure forms to make gameplay tougher


The pure forms were there to change the game. Although I like The Flood in Halo 1/2, if they kept those same forms i wouldn't enjoy playing them.

Bungie wanted more Flood forms in Halo 2 as well

The pure forms were the trash from Halo 2 put into 3.

  • 05.19.2012 3:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind cover


Yep, your a kid who LOVES changing his mind.

Regarding the Flood discussion, I felt that CE Flood were designed to scare you, while still dishing out the damage. They were a great challenge, and I loved how they did the Super Jumps (Which were nerfed in subsequent Halo games). Halo 2, while being easier to kill, came in vechiles, spicing up gameplay. As soon as I got H3 and played Floodgate, I knew it would be easy when I could meelee a Flood to death for the first time.


Oh yeah forgot to say. CE is pretty easy in Heroic

Dont forget Halo 3 added pure forms to make gameplay tougher


The pure forms were there to change the game. Although I like The Flood in Halo 1/2, if they kept those same forms i wouldn't enjoy playing them.

Bungie wanted more Flood forms in Halo 2 as well

The pure forms were the trash from Halo 2 put into 3.

The pure forms didnt really change much and were fairly easy to handle once you had learnt what they were like (as we did with the original flood in Halo CE). Granted, i initially did not know how to tackle the ranged forms (the ones that stick to walls and shoot you) but i eventually worked out their weakness whereas the other forms crumpled under the power of the Energy sword or fire. They were interesting to fight at the time, but given how weak the flood were in Halo 3 i still think the whole feeling of the flood being the "biggest threat" was gone..

  • 05.19.2012 5:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy
Yes I play on easy because it is the most fun.

I dont really find the higher difficulties that fun. If you ask me its just about taking cover all the time. It would be better if they made it so on Legendary there are more numbers, smarter AI and different things happen. Not so you die instantly if you peek from behind cover


Yep, your a kid who LOVES changing his mind.

Regarding the Flood discussion, I felt that CE Flood were designed to scare you, while still dishing out the damage. They were a great challenge, and I loved how they did the Super Jumps (Which were nerfed in subsequent Halo games). Halo 2, while being easier to kill, came in vechiles, spicing up gameplay. As soon as I got H3 and played Floodgate, I knew it would be easy when I could meelee a Flood to death for the first time.


Oh yeah forgot to say. CE is pretty easy in Heroic

Dont forget Halo 3 added pure forms to make gameplay tougher
I see you're one of those kids who don't know what a good difficulty is.

Pure Forms were damage sponges and they made gameplay difficult for the wrong reasons. There's nothing impressive about raising an arm to block shots or hiding in protective casing. And there's nothing more frustrating than seeing one absorb a grenade that I stuck it with. Grenades are nearly useless against them. Shots don't work either, which is why I always melee them to death or use firebombs.

So if you don't like how CE Flood require certain weapons (and they don't), then I don't see how you can like Pure Forms which do require certain weapons (Brute Shot, energy sword, melee to the face).

Posted by: Wilis_kid

i eventually worked out their weakness whereas the other forms crumpled under the power of the Energy sword or fire. They were interesting to fight at the time, but given how weak the flood were in Halo 3 i still think the whole feeling of the flood being the "biggest threat" was gone..
And let's not forget about how you can use the brute shot to get ranged forms down.

You can pretty much go through Cortana speedrunning and with a brute shot. Use any other weapon and it's hell. And the necessity of using deployable covers is really annoying. Often, the only way to get past these encounters is to use the shields.

That's why I appreciate CE Flood unlike Mark V, because they can be taken out with any weapon, even the AR and you don't need equipment to do well with them. The Library's overshield does come in handy but I don't always go for it.

[Edited on 05.19.2012 6:35 PM PDT]

  • 05.19.2012 6:10 PM PDT

Really saddens me that so many games now force you to use specific weapon combinations to succeed. The only recent exception I know is Crysis 2, but only because you can literally stealth the entire game by going invisible and hoarding the silenced weapons.

  • 05.19.2012 8:39 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Dont forget that tank forms require less melees than a comba form from Halo 1 or 2. Ranged and stalkers are really easy.

And i did Cortana on Heroic using variety of weapons, such as the carbine, needler ans brute shot

  • 05.20.2012 2:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Dont forget that tank forms require less melees than a comba form from Halo 1 or 2. Ranged and stalkers are really easy.


I don't believe you can meelee a tank form to death (Not quickly anyway).

Posted by:Mark V guy
And i did Cortana on Heroic using variety of weapons, such as the carbine, needler ans brute shot


It most likely took you a while to get through it.

  • 05.20.2012 3:31 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: Mark V guy
Dont forget that tank forms require less melees than a comba form from Halo 1 or 2. Ranged and stalkers are really easy.


I don't believe you can meelee a tank form to death (Not quickly anyway).

Posted by:Mark V guy
And i did Cortana on Heroic using variety of weapons, such as the carbine, needler ans brute shot


It most likely took you a while to get through it.


You can, just have to dodge his attacks and melee him in the tentacles bit. On higher difficulties it can be fairly difficult but it is possible

And while it did take me a while to get through it, no deaths :P

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Posted by: Mark V guy
Dont forget that tank forms require less melees than a comba form from Halo 1 or 2. Ranged and stalkers are really easy.
That's because you're hitting them in their weak spot. It's just like CE Hunters. Melee them somewhere else and they take many more melees than H1 & H2 Flood. Though Tank Forms go down to 1-2 sword/brute shot bayonet swings, it's the same thing as the CE shotgun.

Also, including Pure Forms into this is simply preposterous. You're comparing different classes of enemies.

Posted by: Mark V guy
And i did Cortana on Heroic using variety of weapons, such as the carbine, needler ans brute shot
H3's Heroic is still pretty much child's play. All Halo Heroics are pretty easy. It's only hard when you don't take your time.

Btw, a sig like that must mean you be in the mood for trolling...

[Edited on 05.20.2012 4:29 AM PDT]

  • 05.20.2012 4:25 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy
Dont forget that tank forms require less melees than a comba form from Halo 1 or 2. Ranged and stalkers are really easy.
That's because you're hitting them in their weak spot. It's just like CE Hunters. Melee them somewhere else and they take many more melees than H1 & H2 Flood. Though Tank Forms go down to 1-2 sword/brute shot bayonet swings, it's the same thing as the CE shotgun.

Also, including Pure Forms into this is simply preposterous. You're comparing different classes of enemies.

Posted by: Mark V guy
And i did Cortana on Heroic using variety of weapons, such as the carbine, needler ans brute shot
H3's Heroic is still pretty much child's play. All Halo Heroics are pretty easy. It's only hard when you don't take your time.

Btw, a sig like that must mean you be in the mood for trolling...


But surely its a good thing that Pure Forms are harder to kill, because they are like Halo CE and 2s Flood

Also that isnt a troll sig, its just that a lot of people rate the Halo games in their sigs so I thought I wouldt do the same

  • 05.20.2012 4:47 AM PDT
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I don't know what I'm trying to debate anymore. Let's just say I'd like to see a reduction in lunge. Or better yet, get rid of it for non-melee weapons and slightly increase the melee range; that alone would make combat more harder while allowing me to hit Infection Forms (I hate wasting bullets on them all the time) and allowing Flood to have a reasonable amount of health.

Well it's been a while since I had that kind of thing in my sig. I stopped recently though. Posting in threads allows me to convey my opinion better.

[Edited on 05.20.2012 6:56 AM PDT]

  • 05.20.2012 6:54 AM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
But surely its a good thing that Pure Forms are harder to kill, because they are like Halo CE and 2s Flood
Are you stupid?

Harder to kill =/= better

They have to be fun to fight! When you can 1-hit even the most supposed-to-be difficult enemies, it isn't challenging anymore. Tank forms are useless if you have a sword, the stalkers are a pain to hit, and the ranged forms are just annoying. They don't add any challenge to gameplay, just create an impediment.

  • 05.20.2012 10:25 AM PDT

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