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Subject: New low for Halo 1

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Mark V guy
But surely its a good thing that Pure Forms are harder to kill, because they are like Halo CE and 2s Flood
Are you stupid?

Harder to kill =/= better

They have to be fun to fight! When you can 1-hit even the most supposed-to-be difficult enemies, it isn't challenging anymore. Tank forms are useless if you have a sword, the stalkers are a pain to hit, and the ranged forms are just annoying. They don't add any challenge to gameplay, just create an impediment.


But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Flood constantly rushing you

Arise from the dead if you kill them with anything other than a Shotgun or plasma weapon

Cant melee them

Just shooting them as they run straight towards you

Halo 2s flood were at least more interesting

  • 05.20.2012 12:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Mark V guy
But surely its a good thing that Pure Forms are harder to kill, because they are like Halo CE and 2s Flood
Are you stupid?

Harder to kill =/= better

They have to be fun to fight! When you can 1-hit even the most supposed-to-be difficult enemies, it isn't challenging anymore. Tank forms are useless if you have a sword, the stalkers are a pain to hit, and the ranged forms are just annoying. They don't add any challenge to gameplay, just create an impediment.


But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Flood constantly rushing you

Arise from the dead if you kill them with anything other than a Shotgun or plasma weapon

Cant melee them

Just shooting them as they run straight towards you

Halo 2s flood were at least more interesting

They're supposed to, the name the Flood is part of their nature, to swarm at you and the Flood are supposed to be a threat that even the Covenant fear. It makes sense and I enjoy having them charge at me (although the library does get tedious).

The whole rise from the dead is no different from an Infection form reaching the body of a Flood Combat form in Halo 2/3 so i'm going to say that argument is invalid in my opinion.

I was fine with being unable to melee, it did have a small effect by stunning them temporarily but really the Flood are supposed to be stronger in CQB anyway, as they're overwhelming etc so you're supposed to keep them back.

Halo 2's were the biggest threat and were more interesting in my opinion, as Melee truly did nothing (CE's did injure them marginally). The Flood were often hard to shoot on the later High Charity levels due to the flood spores being everywhere creating an eerie atmosphere but again, as long as you had one medium/longrange weapon capable of a headshot, they were still nothing more than a small threat. I feared Jackal Snipers and Drones more in Halo 2, at least on higher difficulty levels anyway. And lets not forget they could use vehicles...

  • 05.20.2012 1:55 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Mark V guy
But surely its a good thing that Pure Forms are harder to kill, because they are like Halo CE and 2s Flood
Are you stupid?

Harder to kill =/= better

They have to be fun to fight! When you can 1-hit even the most supposed-to-be difficult enemies, it isn't challenging anymore. Tank forms are useless if you have a sword, the stalkers are a pain to hit, and the ranged forms are just annoying. They don't add any challenge to gameplay, just create an impediment.


But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Flood constantly rushing you

Arise from the dead if you kill them with anything other than a Shotgun or plasma weapon

Cant melee them

Just shooting them as they run straight towards you

Halo 2s flood were at least more interesting

They're supposed to, the name the Flood is part of their nature, to swarm at you and the Flood are supposed to be a threat that even the Covenant fear. It makes sense and I enjoy having them charge at me (although the library does get tedious).

The whole rise from the dead is no different from an Infection form reaching the body of a Flood Combat form in Halo 2/3 so i'm going to say that argument is invalid in my opinion.

I was fine with being unable to melee, it did have a small effect by stunning them temporarily but really the Flood are supposed to be stronger in CQB anyway, as they're overwhelming etc so you're supposed to keep them back.

Halo 2's were the biggest threat and were more interesting in my opinion, as Melee truly did nothing (CE's did injure them marginally). The Flood were often hard to shoot on the later High Charity levels due to the flood spores being everywhere creating an eerie atmosphere but again, as long as you had one medium/longrange weapon capable of a headshot, they were still nothing more than a small threat. I feared Jackal Snipers and Drones more in Halo 2, at least on higher difficulty levels anyway. And lets not forget they could use vehicles...


The thing about Halo 2 and 3 was that if you killed all the infection forms flood couldnt ever come back. In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back

I think being physically weaker makes the whole idea of flooding the enemy in numbers more believable. They are made on decomposed bodies, they should be broken into pieces by melee. Together they overwhelm you, but by themselves they arent a big threat

  • 05.20.2012 2:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Movement.

The Library, even on legendary, can offer quite a few spots of awesome, fast-paced maneuvre combat that can feel rather Doomish at times.

In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back
No you couldn't. "Headshot" doesn't particularly mean anything with Halo 1 Flood.

[Edited on 05.20.2012 2:30 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2012 2:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Mark V guy
But surely its a good thing that Pure Forms are harder to kill, because they are like Halo CE and 2s Flood
Are you stupid?

Harder to kill =/= better

They have to be fun to fight! When you can 1-hit even the most supposed-to-be difficult enemies, it isn't challenging anymore. Tank forms are useless if you have a sword, the stalkers are a pain to hit, and the ranged forms are just annoying. They don't add any challenge to gameplay, just create an impediment.


But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Flood constantly rushing you

Arise from the dead if you kill them with anything other than a Shotgun or plasma weapon

Cant melee them

Just shooting them as they run straight towards you

Halo 2s flood were at least more interesting

They're supposed to, the name the Flood is part of their nature, to swarm at you and the Flood are supposed to be a threat that even the Covenant fear. It makes sense and I enjoy having them charge at me (although the library does get tedious).

The whole rise from the dead is no different from an Infection form reaching the body of a Flood Combat form in Halo 2/3 so i'm going to say that argument is invalid in my opinion.

I was fine with being unable to melee, it did have a small effect by stunning them temporarily but really the Flood are supposed to be stronger in CQB anyway, as they're overwhelming etc so you're supposed to keep them back.

Halo 2's were the biggest threat and were more interesting in my opinion, as Melee truly did nothing (CE's did injure them marginally). The Flood were often hard to shoot on the later High Charity levels due to the flood spores being everywhere creating an eerie atmosphere but again, as long as you had one medium/longrange weapon capable of a headshot, they were still nothing more than a small threat. I feared Jackal Snipers and Drones more in Halo 2, at least on higher difficulty levels anyway. And lets not forget they could use vehicles...


The thing about Halo 2 and 3 was that if you killed all the infection forms flood couldnt ever come back. In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back

I think being physically weaker makes the whole idea of flooding the enemy in numbers more believable. They are made on decomposed bodies, they should be broken into pieces by melee. Together they overwhelm you, but by themselves they arent a big threat

I'm not so sure the flesh was decomposed...i may be wrong but if memory serves the Flood merely use calcium to restructure the body and create things like the tentacles, which are far stronger than the average Human/Elite. If that is the case then the Flood in theory can stand until the Infection form can't use the body anymore.

And as for gameplay, you could shoot off the Flood's arms anyways and from Halo 2 onwards, doing so would cause the Flood to selfdestruct leaving just the infection form.

Oh, and could someone confirm the decomposing bodies for me? Thankyou :D

  • 05.20.2012 2:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

I think being physically weaker makes the whole idea of flooding the enemy in numbers more believable. They are made on decomposed bodies, they should be broken into pieces by melee. Together they overwhelm you, but by themselves they arent a big threat
And how did CE fail to accomplish that?

Their melees didn't take a big chunk of your shield bar, they could easily be dismembered and shot down by any gun, they could be stunned, and they could be turned into Flood buddies.

Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Movement.

The Library, even on legendary, can offer quite a few spots of awesome, fast-paced maneuvre combat that can feel rather Doomish at times.

In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back
No you couldn't. "Headshot" doesn't particularly mean anything with Halo 1 Flood.
This.

In H2, I just kept my distance. In H3, I just meleed. In CE, I was running for my life and hiding.

Headshots were irrelevant. If you didn't do enough damage, they get back up.

  • 05.20.2012 6:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Oh, and could someone confirm the decomposing bodies for me? Thankyou :D
From what I've read, Flood only use hosts that are in good condition.

So Flood combat forms shouldn't be crumbling from melees so easily, not to mention that most combat forms in H3 were made from recently killed dead bodies (on Floodgate and The Covenant).

Also, interesting how Gravemind didn't touch the dead bodies on High Charity and left them uninfected. Perhaps he was preserving them in case his home was invaded or leaving them there to avert invaders.

From Halopedian:

As long as the host has not decomposed to the point where the body and nervous system have completely deteriorated, the Infection Form can infect and convert the host.
The majority of the host's musculature is replaced with FSCs' acting as muscles, which are connected to the remains of the original cardiovascular system. This bestows prodigious levels of physical strength to the new Flood form, which enable it to strike with devastating force, move with tremendous speed and agility, and jump to tremendous heights, displaying physical abilities far beyond those of the host organism while it was alive. The newly-developed forms are highly capable climbers, able to to move up and down and across most surfaces with tremendous ease.

The price for all of these formidable abilities are that the required metabolism is so rapid and extreme, that the host organism's corpse is rapidly broken down by the parasite as the infection continues to make use of its host. This is dramatically demonstrated by the rapid decomposition and disintegration of an infected life form, which will eventually become a stunted, bloated, mobile generator and incubator for more Infection Forms, which is commonly known as a Carrier Form.


[Edited on 05.20.2012 6:23 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2012 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Oh, and could someone confirm the decomposing bodies for me? Thankyou :D


The Flood do not decompose the flesh. The infection taps into the nervous system to take control, while the infection form forces it's own body parts (The tentacles) which have inlarged due to the calcium increase. The tentacle arms are real arms with Infection form tentacles pushed through (Read up on your Pvt. Jenkins tales).

The Flodd will use anything with sufficient biomass, and repair it to make it stronger with calcium.

  • 05.20.2012 10:42 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy

I think being physically weaker makes the whole idea of flooding the enemy in numbers more believable. They are made on decomposed bodies, they should be broken into pieces by melee. Together they overwhelm you, but by themselves they arent a big threat
And how did CE fail to accomplish that?

Their melees didn't take a big chunk of your shield bar, they could easily be dismembered and shot down by any gun, they could be stunned, and they could be turned into Flood buddies.

Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Movement.

The Library, even on legendary, can offer quite a few spots of awesome, fast-paced maneuvre combat that can feel rather Doomish at times.

In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back
No you couldn't. "Headshot" doesn't particularly mean anything with Halo 1 Flood.
This.

In H2, I just kept my distance. In H3, I just meleed. In CE, I was running for my life and hiding.

Headshots were irrelevant. If you didn't do enough damage, they get back up.


I'm pretty sure that when you shoot a flood in the tentacles with a pistol it dies instantly, but body shots don't kill instantly. Maybe it's just me

  • 05.21.2012 9:49 AM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy

I think being physically weaker makes the whole idea of flooding the enemy in numbers more believable. They are made on decomposed bodies, they should be broken into pieces by melee. Together they overwhelm you, but by themselves they arent a big threat
And how did CE fail to accomplish that?

Their melees didn't take a big chunk of your shield bar, they could easily be dismembered and shot down by any gun, they could be stunned, and they could be turned into Flood buddies.

Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Movement.

The Library, even on legendary, can offer quite a few spots of awesome, fast-paced maneuvre combat that can feel rather Doomish at times.

In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back
No you couldn't. "Headshot" doesn't particularly mean anything with Halo 1 Flood.
This.

In H2, I just kept my distance. In H3, I just meleed. In CE, I was running for my life and hiding.

Headshots were irrelevant. If you didn't do enough damage, they get back up.


I'm pretty sure that when you shoot a flood in the tentacles with a pistol it dies instantly, but body shots don't kill instantly. Maybe it's just me

Not on CE.

  • 05.21.2012 11:36 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy

I think being physically weaker makes the whole idea of flooding the enemy in numbers more believable. They are made on decomposed bodies, they should be broken into pieces by melee. Together they overwhelm you, but by themselves they arent a big threat
And how did CE fail to accomplish that?

Their melees didn't take a big chunk of your shield bar, they could easily be dismembered and shot down by any gun, they could be stunned, and they could be turned into Flood buddies.

Posted by: sdnomdE
Posted by: Mark V guy
But how are CEs Flood fun to fight?

Movement.

The Library, even on legendary, can offer quite a few spots of awesome, fast-paced maneuvre combat that can feel rather Doomish at times.

In CE you could headshot a group of flood just for them all to come back
No you couldn't. "Headshot" doesn't particularly mean anything with Halo 1 Flood.
This.

In H2, I just kept my distance. In H3, I just meleed. In CE, I was running for my life and hiding.

Headshots were irrelevant. If you didn't do enough damage, they get back up.


I'm pretty sure that when you shoot a flood in the tentacles with a pistol it dies instantly, but body shots don't kill instantly. Maybe it's just me

Not on CE.


I'll play tonight and test it

  • 05.21.2012 12:02 PM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

What's there to test? A Flood Buddy has no tentacles or arms. So how do you think you get it like that?

[Edited on 05.21.2012 2:12 PM PDT]

  • 05.21.2012 2:12 PM PDT

Magic, apparently.

  • 05.21.2012 2:27 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Magic, apparently.

I believe he's referring to the Infection Form in the chest of the Combat form. As far as I know, you could not "headshot" a Combat Form on CE. That feature was Halo 2 onwards...

  • 05.22.2012 11:35 AM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

Even then, Halo 2 headshots had to be perfect to kill a Combat Form.

  • 05.22.2012 3:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: chickenlittle
Magic, apparently.

I believe he's referring to the Infection Form in the chest of the Combat form. As far as I know, you could not "headshot" a Combat Form on CE. That feature was Halo 2 onwards...
No, you couldn't. And they didn't autopop when you shot off the limbs, allowing for Flood buddies.

  • 05.22.2012 5:08 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: chickenlittle
Magic, apparently.

I believe he's referring to the Infection Form in the chest of the Combat form. As far as I know, you could not "headshot" a Combat Form on CE. That feature was Halo 2 onwards...
No, you couldn't. And they didn't autopop when you shot off the limbs, allowing for Flood buddies.

Yeah, Flood buddies were fun back in the day. I tried to create an army of them on the Library. But yes, i fail to see how Mark V guy managed to "headshot" the Combat Form on CE when it was impossible.

  • 05.23.2012 2:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: chickenlittle
Magic, apparently.

I believe he's referring to the Infection Form in the chest of the Combat form. As far as I know, you could not "headshot" a Combat Form on CE. That feature was Halo 2 onwards...
No, you couldn't. And they didn't autopop when you shot off the limbs, allowing for Flood buddies.

Yeah, Flood buddies were fun back in the day. I tried to create an army of them on the Library.
Truly that was one of the best things about CE Flood. You could do it on any difficulty. I know I've tried to make a Flood buddy army. I'm sure anyone's who played CE without contempt has tried to do that. I think the Flood buddy at the start of Keyes was Bungie's subtle way of recognizing that Flood buddies exist and encouraging their creation.

In H3, there was no point on Easy. On Normal, Heroic, Legendary, it was difficult due to how easy they were to kill (shooting in the head) and the high enemy damage (which causes pressure so you might accidentally over-do the firing). Not to mention how hard it is to get rid of Arby.

[Edited on 05.23.2012 7:23 AM PDT]

  • 05.23.2012 7:21 AM PDT

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