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Subject: Edited Posts - Removing the Veil of Annotation

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Far too long have simple clicks of the mouse been able completely eradicate any given post's former recorded imprint. Someone edits a post and we never know what they originally wrote unless someone gets a screenshot. Someone makes a funny post about their avatar, they change it, and the post is no longer funny. It's ridiculous!

So, I believe that the two following features should be added:

1Via a drop down arrow located directly to the left of the "About Me" drop down arrow, any past form of any given post via editing can be viewed by users. This would both enable easier moderation of people who attempt to hide signs of rule-breaking, as well as give users additional context about things that have changed in a post, especially in OPs that have long-winded suggestions and proposals that are edited over time.

2Next to these former versions of the posts, is the avatar used by the user at the time of posting. This is less preferable due to loading-time problems and server strains from the loading of other pictures, etc. etc. but it sure would make all of those burritosenior threads a lot funnier a year or even a day later.

  • 05.08.2012 8:52 PM PDT

The purpose of editing is primarily to fix typos or mistakes, or to update something with relevant information. In most circumstances, there's no need to see previous versions of a post because the creator of that post edited it for a reason.

The implementation of such a feature seems both difficult (or at the least, extraneous) for the Web Team and goes against members having the ability to edit posts at all. Too much for too little, in my opinion.

  • 05.08.2012 8:55 PM PDT

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I only use it to fix typos or add information. This feature would be kind of useless in my opinion.

[Edited on 05.08.2012 8:57 PM PDT]

  • 05.08.2012 8:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Avatar Korra
I only use it to fix typos or add information. This feature would be kind of useless in my opinion.
What about how the edited post history is used on Wikipedia? While those aren't dialogues being edited, and the editing is open to more people, the feature used there would be for largely the same reasons that the feature would be used here. To reflect on past versions of something to use as context when looking at the current version. Just as quotes are used to add context to a bystander reading an in-thread conversation, this would be used to show the same sort of context within a given post.

Think of it in relation to the Save Thread feature. What percentage of the time do you actually use the Save Thread feature? What would be the ratio of threads you view to threads you view and then save, to those you don't? Wouldn't you think that this ratio would be fairly similar when looking at posts where an edit-history would provide useful context when reading that post (if the numbers were adjusted to accommodate for the ratio of posts:threads)? I think it would, at least.

Your opinion my vary on the exact equality of usefulness these two feature (may) have, but the parallel of scarcity of use still exists.

Edit: " the same reasons that the reason is used here" -> " the same reasons that the feature would be here"

Edit: Additionally, wouldn't it be nice to know, at least sometimes, that all you're missing in previous edits of a post are grammatical adjustments rather than an entire thought or idea that's been revoked or reworked, yet could still be viewed as highly relevant in the conversation?

[Edited on 05.08.2012 9:17 PM PDT]

  • 05.08.2012 9:04 PM PDT
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What if I say something mean and I realize that I didn't mean it and then I quickly edit it with something nice and friendly? Wikipedia has edit history for a serious reason which doesn't have place in forums.

Edit: In Wikipedia anyone can edit the articles and therefore you want to compare old and new revisions to see whether the content is accurate or it has been vandalized.

[Edited on 05.08.2012 10:12 PM PDT]

  • 05.08.2012 10:11 PM PDT

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I reserve the right to keep my post's content only readable if it's entirely up to date sorry.

  • 05.08.2012 10:16 PM PDT

Posted by: DarkONI
What if I say something mean and I realize that I didn't mean it and then I quickly edit it with something nice and friendly?
Then you shouldn't have posted it in the first place.

Posted by: DarkONI
Wikipedia has edit history for a serious reason which doesn't have place in forums.
Then why do things like the Post Edit History for vBulletin exist?

  • 05.08.2012 10:22 PM PDT
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Touché, both of them.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: DarkONI
What if I say something mean and I realize that I didn't mean it and then I quickly edit it with something nice and friendly?
Then you shouldn't have posted it in the first place.

Posted by: DarkONI
Wikipedia has edit history for a serious reason which doesn't have place in forums.
Then why do things like the Post Edit History for vBulletin exist?

  • 05.08.2012 10:23 PM PDT

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No, dazarobbo already posted this . 1)the mods already have the power to see your edit history (i think) 2)no one needs to see all my error fixs.. if someone edits there post there is a reason.

[Edited on 05.08.2012 10:29 PM PDT]

  • 05.08.2012 10:28 PM PDT

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Meh, this isn't a very good idea. I mostly use the edit button for fixing typos and adding information. I don't want people to go back and see any mistakes or errors.

I'm fine with moderators having access to that feature though. However, it really isn't neccissary.

  • 05.08.2012 10:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: zoobkillerninja
No, dazarobbo already posted this . 1)the mods already have the power to see your edit history (i think) 2)no one needs to see all my error fixs.. if someone edits there post there is a reason.
1). Im nearly certain that the mods do not have the ability to access previous edits. And, as I said in my secind post, while the number of posts where edits aren't just grammatical and COULD provide some added context in relation to (for example) an OP's former ideas on a proposal they were making.

Or, this could be used to condense those several-post, multiple-thousands-of-words OP's by having the OP deleting their text and replacing it with the next post and then just directing people to their edit history. I know this wouldnt be the intended use but things like the quote frasier are sometimes (very effectively so) used as section buffers, etc.

But back to my original point, while most posts ARE edited merely for grammatical errors, there are some changes are significant enough and the idea being discussed is "important" enough where an edit history would supply much needed context to a given post, and the ratio of these post to ones where the feature isnt useful is, in my opinion, near equivalent to that of save-worthy threads to all other ones.

Edit: grammatical errors; posted on phone

[Edited on 05.09.2012 3:45 AM PDT]

  • 05.09.2012 3:38 AM PDT
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I honestly don't see the point.

  • 05.09.2012 4:02 AM PDT

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Via a drop down arrow located directly to the left of the "About Me" drop down arrow, any past form of any given post via editing can be viewed by users. This would both enable easier moderation of people who attempt to hide signs of rule-breaking, as well as give users additional context about things that have changed in a post, especially in OPs that have long-winded suggestions and proposals that are edited over time.
I don't think it would benefit non-moderator users as far as its potential goes. One of reason that members would want to use it is to deem whether or not a post was report worthy before the editing took place, in which case deciding to proceed to either click the report button to pass it onto the moderator queue, or to not and continue as they originally where. For it to be effective, you'd have to prioritise more people willing to use the report button, because it doesn't seem to be used enough; the most prominent reason being apathetic to whether or not another user should receive an infraction for a specific post, being too lax, or because they themselves are not receiving some sort of positive incentive for doing so. The amount of people who'd use it positively would be proportional to the amount of people willing to use the report button.

When you also take into account the sheer number of edits made, it'd be difficult to think one can get overly paranoid about each and every edit (they can't, as they don't know the reasoning behind every one and would not have the time to check every one). You'd have to rely on reports made by users who saw the original post, were to come back, see the edit, and check to confirm the post before reporting it; which then asks the question as to why they didn't report the post in the first place.

The other cases seem to be a bit redundant rather than anything useful. I personally don't really see the point to viewing how an original post was years ago; other for nostalgic purposes, but then again I can't speak for everyone here.
Next to these former versions of the posts, is the avatar used by the user at the time of posting. This is less preferable due to loading-time problems and server strains from the loading of other pictures, etc. etc. but it sure would make all of those burritosenior threads a lot funnier a year or even a day later.
A screen capture would suffice for this reasoning; especially for something which happens once in a long period of time. Also, Crazzy, it's never as funny as the first time :P

  • 05.09.2012 5:07 AM PDT
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I'll stick to my previous thoughts; it would be useless for the masses, but convenient and very useful for the mods.

  • 05.09.2012 5:42 AM PDT

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What post is so important that we need to see the edit history? If there was that important of a post they would be editing it for the better .

  • 05.09.2012 5:55 AM PDT
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Huh

Completely not necessary for normal users. Maybe the moderators, but not us average joes

  • 05.09.2012 9:33 AM PDT

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But it could be abused........


How many different edits would we see? All of them or just the original and the most recent edit?

  • 05.09.2012 9:43 AM PDT
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It would be nice to never actually see an edited post, however, it would be harder to moderate. I do wish the "[Edited by Duardo on 5/08/2012 at 5:43 PM PST]" were smaller, so as not to be overbearing.

  • 05.09.2012 9:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Duardo
It would be nice to never actually see an edited post, however, it would be harder to moderate. I do wish the "[Edited by Duardo on 5/08/2012 at 5:43 PM PST]" were smaller, so as not to be overbearing.


lol you guys are police, not covert operatives.

  • 05.09.2012 10:01 AM PDT

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The 'edited on XX.XX.XXXX at XX:XX is annoying when I use the direct quote (plug in), but this feature seems really unnecersary.

  • 05.09.2012 10:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: defnop552
Posted by: The Bungie Community
But it could be abused........


How many different edits would we see? All of them or just the original and the most recent edit?
Probably a limit to how far back it would go. I wouldn't imagine more than 3-5 edits back in the line only because if its edits of a 10,000 character OP then it can and would get a little out of control, I would imagine. Unless of course you only view one of them at a time. But even then having to store a theoretically infinite amount of unrelenting edits in an infinitesimally small amount of time can be as draining on the site as a Watermelon-King-Level incident.

  • 05.09.2012 12:44 PM PDT