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Subject: Why is the plasma repeater a thing?

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Posted by: tinyohyeah
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I see no reason why any of the stuff in Reach was added into the canon...


Seal, we get it, you don't like Reach.

Constantly and constantly you come to this forum and with almost any thread somewhat related with reach you come out with a one liner reply that is somewhat topical to the thread, but is ultimately just a restatement of your dislike for reach.

You are not adding to the conversation, you are not posting material that is on topic, and it's starting to become borderline spamming. If it's a forum that asks for your opinion on Halo Reach, go for it because that's the place to express it, but it's unnecessary in this thread. All you are doing is inciting a reason for someone who likes reach to respond, and giving you a reason to debate them, and I'm frankly tired of it.

If you don't like my opinion, then don't read my replies.

  • 05.13.2012 12:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Poy Poy
Because it certainly isn't a "her".

And why not?

I'm sure it was featured on the cover of either TFoR or First Strike. I can't remember which though.
First strike, but it was never mentioned in the book.

  • 05.13.2012 12:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jimmy the Boss
I think both the rifle and repeater are useless. I think they shouldn't have created the repeater and made the rifle better.


Exactly.

It's that there was no reason for the addition of another weapon. The Spectre and Prowler were needed, and the BR served a purpose, and it's just Contact Harvest that makes the inconsistancy.. the Plasma Repeater wasn't needed and there was no point in adding it.

  • 05.13.2012 1:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
If you don't like my opinion, then don't read my replies.


It's not about the details of your opinion here, it's about your constant expression of it when it's completely unnecessary.

I don't care whether or not you do or don't like Reach, it's really non of my concern, but seeing you constantly posting your discontent with reach has started to become less of an expression of your opinion, and more of a deliberate attempt to spread as much of your opinion around as possible. Which I can't say is necessarily a bad thing, but it's becoming more and more off topic and borderline spamming.

Also, nowhere in my post did I state I didn't like your opinion. And I would have the same problem with someone who also spent their time arguing the opposite of your stance constantly.

  • 05.13.2012 1:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
It was nice in the beta but now it's utterly useless. It fell into the wasted potential pile of Reach.

  • 05.13.2012 4:22 PM PDT

It's just cool, okay? More weapons = better game

  • 05.13.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: MichaelYEAHH
It's just cool, okay? More weapons = better game


Not really, not when it is essentially the same thing.

  • 05.13.2012 8:54 PM PDT

If they never added anything new, Halo would end up like CoD. And nobody wants that.

  • 05.13.2012 11:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
It was to be the replacement of the Plasma rifle in MP, but it was too weak. Honestly it should have stayed how it was in the Beta. Along with the Plasma Launcher and DMR.


PL was completely broken in the beta. As much as I loved going on rampages with it in Beta, it was WAY broken for longterm MP.

  • 05.14.2012 5:11 PM PDT
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Video games aren't like other forms of media when it comes to canon. Yes, you ought to try to stick to the canon but when it comes down to it, gameplay is much more important. If they want to add a weapon to the sandbox that they feel is necessary they don't need the canon's approval.

Gameplay first, canon second. If you don't like that then go read a damned book.

  • 05.14.2012 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx
Video games aren't like other forms of media when it comes to canon. Yes, you ought to try to stick to the canon but when it comes down to it, gameplay is much more important. If they want to add a weapon to the sandbox that they feel is necessary they don't need the canon's approval.

Gameplay first, canon second. If you don't like that then go read a damned book.


But again, simply tweaking the Plasma Rifle would have ad the same effect, there was no need for another redundant weapon.

  • 05.14.2012 6:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Makko Mace
But again, simply tweaking the Plasma Rifle would have ad the same effect, there was no need for another redundant weapon.
If they would have simply tweaked the Plasma Rifle wouldn't that mess with the canon of the game more? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of what you're trying to say?

  • 05.14.2012 6:25 PM PDT

I think it adds just a little bit of variety into the mix. It's not different enough to be cool, but it's like the AR for the covenant.

  • 05.14.2012 7:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
But again, simply tweaking the Plasma Rifle would have ad the same effect, there was no need for another redundant weapon.
If they would have simply tweaked the Plasma Rifle wouldn't that mess with the canon of the game more? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of what you're trying to say?


No.... Gameplay =/= canon.

In canon a marine doesn't survive one shot to the face, let alone 7.

  • 05.14.2012 7:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Makko Mace
No.... Gameplay =/= canon.

In canon a marine doesn't survive one shot to the face, let alone 7.
So adding a new gun is canon breaking but tweaking a gun to act completely different isn't? Logic.

  • 05.14.2012 7:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Makko Mace
No.... Gameplay =/= canon.

In canon a marine doesn't survive one shot to the face, let alone 7.
So adding a new gun is canon breaking but tweaking a gun to act completely different isn't? Logic.


The gun doesn't act too different, the only major differences are the fire rate, the spread, and the venting feature.

But gameplay mechanics do not translate into book canon, simply because making things as realistic as it would be in canon does not necessarily make gameplay fun, which is why we keep observations of bullet damage in game separate from canonical damage.


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  • 05.14.2012 8:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: tinyohyeah

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Makko Mace
No.... Gameplay =/= canon.

In canon a marine doesn't survive one shot to the face, let alone 7.
So adding a new gun is canon breaking but tweaking a gun to act completely different isn't? Logic.


The gun doesn't act too different, the only major differences are the fire rate, the spread, and the venting feature.

But gameplay mechanics do not translate into book canon, simply because making things as realistic as it would be in canon does not necessarily make gameplay fun, which is why we keep observations of bullet damage in game separate from canonical damage.


Exactly, the canonical fps for plasma is likely not around 150, as seen in game, such things are simply gameplay and the Plasma Repeater is in no significant way different enough from the PR to warrant it's existence.

  • 05.14.2012 8:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
Exactly, the canonical fps for plasma is likely not around 150, as seen in game, such things are simply gameplay and the Plasma Repeater is in no significant way different enough from the PR to warrant it's existence.


Well we really don't know what the plasma repeater is canon wise. I believe it really hasn't been mentioned yet as to it's actual importance as a weapon. We can't really say that it doesn't need to exist, because there could very well be a reason for it to exist.

But gameplay wise yes they could have just tweaked the plasma rifle a tad bit, but to be honest any new weapon isn't really necessary, but it does expand the universe just slightly, and I'm open to small new additions to the universe. In this case it's not so bad that it now exists, it could very well be a prototype rifle built to fit some gap in their arsenal that they thought they needed.

  • 05.14.2012 11:06 PM PDT

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The plasma repeater was added to make the starting weapons of the Elites and Spartans on even footing in invasion games.

  • 05.15.2012 1:56 AM PDT

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Bungie wanted a covenant version of the assault rifle, the plasma rifle is more like an SMG. The Repeater offers this with it's faster fire rate and greater damage against health.

  • 05.15.2012 2:12 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Posted by: Makko Mace
I see no damn reason to have added this into canon.

I see no reason why any of the stuff in Reach was added into the canon...


YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!


*Grabs Plasma Launcher*

It's okay, he wasn't talking about you.

*Pets Plasma Launcher*

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Ya know, when I say stuff like that, people just write me off as a hater and whatnot, but just look at the game. I don't see how any of the new stuff they added is good for the Haloverse. I wouldn't mind it as much, if they replaced the established canon with something better, but they've replaced it with something worse.


Not empirically worse. Just worse in some people's opinions. There's a lot of things that were added in Reach that, I feel, have made the HU a better place; the veritable myriad of armor permutations, for one. The needler rifle makes solid sense from a canonical standpoint, perhaps even more than the beam rifle did. There are things that are slightly confusing, to be sure. The plasma repeater is one of them. But when you take into account the fact that Bungie has, fairly obviously, been exploring new gameplay and storytelling dynamics in everything they've worked on since Halo 2, it's not hard to write a lot of this stuff off as either non-canon or quasi-canon.

  • 05.15.2012 9:07 AM PDT

I found it to be the most pointless weapon to use.

  • 05.15.2012 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
I see no damn reason to have added this into canon.

I see no reason why any of the stuff in Reach was added into the canon...

  • 05.15.2012 3:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Posted by: Makko Mace
I see no damn reason to have added this into canon.

I see no reason why any of the stuff in Reach was added into the canon...


YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!


*Grabs Plasma Launcher*

It's okay, he wasn't talking about you.

*Pets Plasma Launcher*

Hahaha, that actually made me laugh. xD

  • 05.15.2012 3:09 PM PDT

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