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Subject: Could the UNSC finish off the remaining covies?
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Posted by: ferrrari

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I really doubt it. After the Battle of Earth, there's virtually nothing major left of the UNSC fleets. The fleet defending Earth was all but entirely obliterated. Based on the language used and the way things are described I can only imagine the UNSC is plum out of carriers and cruisers, and should they have any left I imagine less than 3 of either. Probably running uncomfortably low on destroyers. Honestly what they have left is probably a few dozen frigates, and lord knows how many prowlers, plus Infinity.

But there's also the problem of all the worlds they lost contact with that are possibly still around, they may have ships remaining. But again, based on language, probably nothing but frigates.

So in short, no. They simply lack the naval power to fight.

They have infinty. That thing is a -blam!- beast.

I hear that. I just don't feel like Infinity is enough. One ship can still only take and dish out so much punishment. Even the best warriors fall when numbers are too far against them.

  • 05.15.2012 8:38 PM PDT

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The hell they could. We were more worn down than the covenant were after the war ended. We only had a handful of ships and very few actual colonies.

[Edited on 05.16.2012 7:53 AM PDT]

  • 05.16.2012 7:53 AM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Posted by: Spartan1995324
The Brutes and Sangheili have been warring for a while, meaning they still have troops and ships.

The Brutes will fight anyone. The Sangheili will fight the UNSC if they attack first.

A two front war? No thanks. That's how Germany lost WWII.
This.
Plus, the Elites have more advanced technology still compared to the humans.

  • 05.17.2012 4:34 PM PDT

"The" Crazier one...

The Crazier one is even in agreement with how...crazy the notion is. The sane ones, could never finish off the split chins, however if it were a defense, the sane ones may win. On the offensive, no..no. 24 Billion dead both military and civilian causualties, do not give hope to even the most unstable, such as I.

  • 05.19.2012 9:09 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Why would the UNSC use a halo. Everyone dies.

I think that in a war, you want your side to survive if possible.


ONI would

Halo's can target tune down their firepower just for a single starsystem.


I highly, HIGHLY doubt any of the moniters would give that information, as it would not only move the ring out of it's spot, but mean if the Flood escaped they could no longer cover the galaxy.

I'm fairly sure those rings are staying where they are.

  • 05.19.2012 12:11 PM PDT
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  • 05.20.2012 8:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Why would the UNSC use a halo. Everyone dies.

I think that in a war, you want your side to survive if possible.


ONI would

Halo's can target tune down their firepower just for a single starsystem.


I highly, HIGHLY doubt any of the moniters would give that information, as it would not only move the ring out of it's spot, but mean if the Flood escaped they could no longer cover the galaxy.

I'm fairly sure those rings are staying where they are.


Wasn't the UNSC able to pick apart a fragment of Guilty Spark and interrogate him? I believe the Covenant was even able to do the same interrogation on 343.
I'm sure the UNSC (and if not Oni surely does) knows that they can aim the Halo rings at whoever they want.

And I believe its theorized that the Halos may have slipspace capabilities.

[Edited on 05.21.2012 1:20 AM PDT]

  • 05.21.2012 1:19 AM PDT
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Not straight after the war, but I see the ONI and the UNSC destroying the Covenant once and for all, or at least everyone but the Elites by 2557.

Possible Reclaimer Trilogy Plot Points:

1. MC/UNSC upset about Elite killing
2. Halo rings being used as a weapon by ONI

[Edited on 05.21.2012 2:45 AM PDT]

  • 05.21.2012 2:43 AM PDT
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Firstly, whether Microsoft, 343i or Bungie say it's canon or not, I do not consider Halo: Legends canon.
Anyway, my answer is yes. The Covenant were a threat because they were united. They would no longer be united anymore.

  • 05.21.2012 3:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
Firstly, whether Microsoft, 343i or Bungie say it's canon or not, I do not consider Halo: Legends canon.
Anyway, my answer is yes. The Covenant were a threat because they were united. They would no longer be united anymore.

It is canon. I willing to debate, aside from a few minor things, and the obvious Japanese art influence which was disturbing.

Tell you what, create a thread on it, I will gladly answer any issues.

  • 05.21.2012 3:13 AM PDT


Posted by: falcon8134

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Why would the UNSC use a halo. Everyone dies.

I think that in a war, you want your side to survive if possible.


ONI would

Halo's can target tune down their firepower just for a single starsystem.


I highly, HIGHLY doubt any of the moniters would give that information, as it would not only move the ring out of it's spot, but mean if the Flood escaped they could no longer cover the galaxy.

I'm fairly sure those rings are staying where they are.


Wasn't the UNSC able to pick apart a fragment of Guilty Spark and interrogate him? I believe the Covenant was even able to do the same interrogation on 343.
I'm sure the UNSC (and if not Oni surely does) knows that they can aim the Halo rings at whoever they want.

And I believe its theorized that the Halos may have slipspace capabilities.
No. I don't believe the Halo's have slip drives. The Ark is the one to open them for the Halo's, I believe. Also yes they did manage to crack a tiny ass piece of 343. But as with what happened att eh end of the boom, 343 took over the ship and kick the ship's A.I ass all over the place. So I doubt that they can get him to do what they want.

  • 05.21.2012 8:55 AM PDT

What's this about questioning 343?

And again, it's like saying to a guardian of a castle "Oh, we are the heirs to the castle, teach us to move this ballista." when said ballista is set up to guard a very specific area against a very specific threat. He isn't just going to move it cause you asked nicely.

Edit: No, you see, ONI is making the covenant strong again by arming the anti-human group, instead of the pro-peace group. Also by leaving hints that raiders on ships carrying engineers were launched from a human colony (You really freaking think the elites care if it's a rebel colony or not?) doesn't help matters.

UNSC cannot just finish off the Covies based on post halo 3. However, ONI's just as likely to pull a fleet of Infinity's out of their ass for no reason and with no explanation as I see it.

[Edited on 05.21.2012 9:22 AM PDT]

  • 05.21.2012 9:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What's this about questioning 343?

And again, it's like saying to a guardian of a castle "Oh, we are the heirs to the castle, teach us to move this ballista." when said ballista is set up to guard a very specific area against a very specific threat. He isn't just going to move it cause you asked nicely.

Well, he might if there is an oncoming threat (The Covenant remnants) and no other weaponry available to combat it. The Flood is just a possibility, but the Covenant are assured as a threat just now.

Also, Humanity would not be very successful in combating the Flood if their weapons are immobile. If the Flood launch another assault from outside the galaxy, then it would probably go for the Halo's first this time, and attempt to take them out along with the Ark. (Assuming it will have the knowledge of the last infestation.) Having the Rings sitting about in the same location would be suicide. It would make better sense for them to be mobile, or in a safe, fortified location. (Such as inside a Shield World) Either way, it requires that the Reclaimers have full control over them.

Anyway, the real difficulty would probably be in convincing the Monitor's to let the UNSC use those Rings to wipe out the Covenant races; in trying to offer a good enough reason as to why they should move the Rings in order to do that. The Covenant have let the Flood out on I-04, and then again on the Threshold Gas Mine, and possibly on the Halo Wars Shield World, so in addition to being a credible threat to the Reclaimer's very existence, (No Reclaimers = No one left to activate the Rings in the event of a massive Flood outbreak) the UNSC could implicate the Covenant as actually trying to unleash the Flood on the galaxy again, possibly for religious reasons.

  • 05.21.2012 9:44 AM PDT

But, the humans also helped the flood in those areas somewhat.

They reopened the locks the Covenant put in place, they got the flood onto high charity :P.

But okay, Yeah I could see the Monitors giving up that information... IF proven flood attacks were occurring. Short of that I don't see them just allowing them to be moved/fired without very, very good reasons. (Assuming the rest of the monitors share 343's view that the halos are a last resort weapon.)

then again, that'd be assuming the rings were known to the flood location wise when they fired. Or are in the exact same spot they fired from last time.


Hm, thinking about the "convincing them the covenant are purposefully unleashing the flood"... That'd be tough to do actually.

Evidence of them releasing the flood in Halo 04 isn't there. (Though evidence of Humans opening the flood vault is...). Same with 05, they don't have evidence of the flood being released by the covenant. Shield world flood probably was out long before, but nobody knows what went down there as far as I know.


So it'd be a "Have to be a really good verbal case, cause they don't have hard evidence to back them." :D

[Edited on 05.21.2012 10:02 AM PDT]

  • 05.21.2012 9:55 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

That is true, I guess.

  • 05.21.2012 10:49 AM PDT

And you know, thinking about it more. ONI probably wouldn't be so stupid as to show chief's helm cam of the 04 incident, at the same time it'd probably be hard for an ONI AI to create fakes capable of fooling a forerunner AI.

  • 05.21.2012 12:23 PM PDT

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