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Subject: What if the community forum.....was restricted?

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


Posted by: DeeJ
We want a place that is an honest reflection of all the people that like to visit Bungie.net - even if some of them like to peel out in the driveway and light off firecrackers on the dance floor.


Are those standard qualifications at bungie? Or is it just required of the web team?

  • 05.17.2012 5:50 PM PDT

Posted by: homocidalham

Posted by: DeeJ
We want a place that is an honest reflection of all the people that like to visit Bungie.net - even if some of them like to peel out in the driveway and light off firecrackers on the dance floor.


Are those standard qualifications at bungie? Or is it just required of the web team?
Are you implying that Bungie has qualifications?

  • 05.17.2012 5:53 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


Posted by: Lobster Fish 2
Posted by: homocidalham

Posted by: DeeJ
We want a place that is an honest reflection of all the people that like to visit Bungie.net - even if some of them like to peel out in the driveway and light off firecrackers on the dance floor.


Are those standard qualifications at bungie? Or is it just required of the web team?
Are you implying that Bungie has qualifications?


I'd assume they'd include a love of Eddie's Green Sauce and hate of Rich Levine.

  • 05.17.2012 5:59 PM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum...was restricted? Updated: New Forum

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Having a restricted new forum that people could see, would allow members (new and banned alike) to look forward to something. It gives them an incentive to play by the rules. As well, the community forum would be just as populated as it normally is, so newer members wouldn't be deterred, they would still get the help the need.

Just because you're not allowing the newer members to access that one forum doesn't mean that ideas for an improved B.Net would fall. In fact, I would say that people who have been here longer notice more about the site; it's faults, and strengths. Making them perfect helpers to the web team.

Posted by: elmicker
If it'd be just like a private group, why not just use a private group? Why put it on a pedastal as a public forum? It's clear the people speaking in favour of such a restricted forum here are only after a place to speak with like-minded people they get on with, not a place to actually try and improve the forums. How could it? New users, the ones who supposedly cause the problems they're putting forward, wouldn't even be able to use it, so why would they give two monkey's brass ones about how the people who do use it conduct themselves?

EDIT:
But I will say that newer members will have some good ideas when it comes to improving the site as well. They can explain (better than anyone else can) on how to make the site easier to navigate to someone who has just joined.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 6:20 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 6:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sprool
The 1 year requirement is harsh. 3 days is fine.
3 days is nothing. Nobody is a different person on their 3rd day from the person they were on their 1st.

I cannot say that between now and July of last year when I started posting consistently, that I have made a thread that either wasn't later learned to be a repeat thread or was totally points/missed the tone it was meant to have. Once I've calmed down a little and really gotten a hold on my views of Bungie.net etc., I will be more able to create threads that people can openly discuss in a productive manner.

e: Actually, "Forum Ninjas: A Psychological Discussion" did pretty well until it was locked.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 6:24 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 6:24 PM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum.....was restricted?

Posted by: homocidalham

Posted by: Lobster Fish 2
Posted by: homocidalham

Posted by: DeeJ
We want a place that is an honest reflection of all the people that like to visit Bungie.net - even if some of them like to peel out in the driveway and light off firecrackers on the dance floor.


Are those standard qualifications at bungie? Or is it just required of the web team?
Are you implying that Bungie has qualifications?


I'd assume they'd include a love of Eddie's Green Sauce and hate of Rich Levine.
Don't forget an aim to displease elmicker.

  • 05.17.2012 6:25 PM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum...was restricted? Updated: New Forum
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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Tom T
Because the demographic is also a key consideration. In the Reach forum only well trodden topics of bloom and armor lock tended to gain traction post-launch. Other threads were hampered by the great sea of crap produced by less experienced members, which effectively drowned out anything that was not a hot contentious issue.
That's an argument in favour of making threads more difficult to make, and actually moderating the discussion that goes on within them, not an argument in favour of outright banning new users.
mmhmm 'Seniority and experience needs to be more heavily weighted'.
'Weighted' and 'segregated' are both very different.

Putting older members in cloisters so they neither mingle or influence is a bad thing. A community should be defined by its regulars; they should set an example and educate users on their ignorance. At the moment older members are able to mingle, however what is fundamentally lacking is influence. Older members are at the same tier as the average troll, if you disregard meaningless member titles.

How can a community be defined by regulars if they are lost amidst the noise, unable to educate and unable to influence? The answer is obvious and the outcome is familiar. They cannot and we are left with a stream of generic, terrible threads, that members soon grow bored of, hence the poor member retention on this website. There is no community to stay for.


Edit: I should probably make clear the difference between newbies and old folk. A new member is more likely to just post without regard for the rules, or without caring if they are the hundredth person to make a thread about the topic. An older member cares about the community. This would be further reinforced if accounts had some value attached, such as the ability to create threads, or private groups. If a user cares they are far more likely to put thought into their posts/actions.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 6:45 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 6:26 PM PDT

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I'm with you Spawn...I wouldn't be able to post in said forum but I do like the idea. It would add tons of discussion value and keep out those who.just wish to troll and/or make stupid threads that waste everyone's time. It would also, as you said, add value to one's account.

  • 05.17.2012 7:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
I wouldn't be able to post in said forum but I do like the idea.

Don't be so quick, those examples in the OP are just ... examples. Nothing is set in stone. This discussion is just about how the idea would impact the community. No hard feelings!

Posted by: GPK Ethan
As well, the community forum would be just as populated as it normally is, so newer members wouldn't be deterred, they would still get the help the need.

But keep keep mind that right now we're in the dark age and transitional phase of bungie.net. Judging activity levels right now wouldn't be that accurate.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
3 days is nothing. Nobody is a different person on their 3rd day from the person they were on their 1st.

The time requirement should be long enough to where the user can reach it within a reasonable amount, and enough to detract from users that just want to build up accounts and make negative comments and get banned. Not worth it in my opinion, but people will do it.

  • 05.17.2012 7:11 PM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum.....was restricted?

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


Posted by: Lobster Fish 2
Don't forget an aim to displease elmicker.


Nah, universal traits don't make very good qualifications.

  • 05.17.2012 7:12 PM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum...was restricted? Updated: New Forum

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Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
I wouldn't be able to post in said forum but I do like the idea.

Don't be so quick, those examples in the OP are just ... examples. Nothing is set in stone. This discussion is just about how the idea would impact the community. No hard feelings!



I lost my honorable member title for good reason, there are no hard feelings. I think this would be a great thing to have even if I wouldn't be able to post in this exclusive forum, for the time being at least, I'd still love to have it here.

  • 05.17.2012 7:19 PM PDT

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I'm completely on board with this. This actually gives purpose to our titles/prefixes/join date, and would be a concept that could really pick off the ground.

Thank you for adding a discussion worth....discussing that harkens back to older days.

  • 05.17.2012 7:30 PM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum.....was restricted?
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It would be even more boring than this forum...

  • 05.18.2012 3:40 AM PDT
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Well spank my balls and call me Santa, it's Easter already!

1: This forum is not exactly active anyway, so surely but separating it you would be doing more harm than good.

2: Its not exactly a good community spirit if your excluding a huge chunk of the fan base.

  • 05.18.2012 4:49 AM PDT
Subject: What if the community forum...was restricted? Updated: New Forum

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I don't like it.

I mean I know some of you Community guys are Elitist but Christ, this is another level entirely. God damn god-damn, god-damn.

I permanently veto this motion with my authority as Emperor General Admiral High Commander Prime Minister King President (Also leader).

[Edited on 05.18.2012 6:02 AM PDT]

  • 05.18.2012 6:01 AM PDT

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i would like this on the Community and Universe forums, I am so sick of the spam/illiterate posts.

Of course, those restrictions are ridiculous.

[Edited on 05.18.2012 8:05 AM PDT]

  • 05.18.2012 8:04 AM PDT

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I don't really like this idea to tell the truth OP.

  • 05.18.2012 11:03 AM PDT