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Subject: flat screen vs "fat screen" tv

How much difference does it make if you play on a "fat screen"? I've heard it should be better I'm playing on a 3 year old Samsung 46 or 48 inch Lcd tv with hdmi-cabel. Is the old flat screen worth bringing back from the garage? Sorry if it's on the wrong forum I just wanna get my brig badly

[Edited on 05.17.2012 2:49 AM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 2:42 AM PDT

No difference, it just depends on your skill ;).
I prefer a flat screen btw

  • 05.17.2012 2:47 AM PDT

When you say "fat screen" are you referring to a tube TV?

If you are playing on a three year old LCD TV, I recommend looking up the specs for the specific year, make and model of the TV. In the specs you will find the refresh rate of the screen. If the refresh rate is anything over five micro seconds, this will negatively affect your game play. Specifically your BR. Your shots will always be slightly off, and it may be completely impossible to land a perfect four shot.

Hope this helped :)

  • 05.17.2012 10:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: iTz Lime Green
When you say "fat screen" are you referring to a tube TV?

If you are playing on a three year old LCD TV, I recommend looking up the specs for the specific year, make and model of the TV. In the specs you will find the refresh rate of the screen. If the refresh rate is anything over five micro seconds, this will negatively affect your game play. Specifically your BR. Your shots will always be slightly off, and it may be completely impossible to land a perfect four shot.

Hope this helped :)

This, also, most of the better players play on smaller TVs, think 18-26 inch. That being said, I know many exceptions to this rule.

Edit: I play on a 21.5' LCD LED Vizio through HDMI cables, by the way.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 11:05 AM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 11:04 AM PDT

Yes I was referring to a tube tv. Thanks this is really helpful

[Edited on 05.17.2012 12:58 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 12:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: sgt4 Raywins
No difference, it just depends on your skill ;).
I prefer a flat screen btw

  • 05.17.2012 2:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: sgt4 Raywins
No difference, it just depends on your skill ;).
I prefer a flat screen btw

  • 05.18.2012 4:28 AM PDT


Posted by: ShootyNinja95
Yes I was referring to a tube tv. Thanks this is really helpful


No problem, if you don't need HD, than I would recommend a tube TV, as they do not have any screen lag. If you do have the need for HD, then I recommend an HD monitor, with a 2ms or 5ms refresh rate. 19" is a good starter, I recently upgraded to 23.5" and wuv it!!

Anyone who says it does not matter clearly has not played on an old plasma screen TV with a refresh rate of 30ms.. that ish is impossible. All TVs made from 2011 and on are typically 5ms refresh rate, and that isn't noticeable.

  • 05.18.2012 2:14 PM PDT

@Lime Green
Thank you for taking your time helping me I appreciate it. My flat screen has a refresh rate of 11ms so I think Ill try bringing back the old tv.

[Edited on 05.18.2012 2:32 PM PDT]

  • 05.18.2012 2:29 PM PDT

Response time doesn't have the effect that some people in this thread are implying. Response time is not input lag; it only describes the amount of time it takes for a pixel to rotate to a new colour value after being commanded by the television to do so. It does not account for things like image processing, which usually takes far longer than the response time.

This isn't to say that response time isn't an important factor in deciding what sort of screen you want to play on; the more time the screen spends rotating colors, the blurrier the motion will look, and playing fps games with blurry motion sucks.

But it is only a single small part of input lag.

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The main source of input lag from a TV is usually the image processing; modern LCDs often have response times of only a few milliseconds. But with LCD displays you're still probably looking at a good 30ms+ of total input lag because the TV has to receive the entire image, and process it to fit and look nice on its fixed pixel grid, before actually sending it out to be displayed.

SD CRTs, by contrast, aren't designed to do any such thing. As chunks of video signal enter those things, they get split up and manipulated by a few filters, and then usually immediately shot out the electron guns. When a line of video starts entering an SD CRT, you can expect the whole line to be burning phosphors by the time a millisecond is up. Hence, they usually have extremely low input lag.

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Does this mean you should necessarily use an SD CRT? Maybe, but not necessarily. 20-30ms input lag is actually quite low, and for most purposes a really responsive, blazing-fast modern HDTV might as more or less as snappy as an SD CRT. Furthermore, SD CRTs display video interlaced; in some ways it's not as damaging to visibility as LCD blur, but it can definitely make the image look somewhat icky when there's medium-speed motion on screen. Another downside is that, if your SD CRT is a 4:3 model, you're probably going to be screwed in terms of Field of View in modern games. Halo 3 is a pretty bad offender; 16:9 users get 70 degrees of FoV, 4:3 users get only 55.

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  • 05.18.2012 3:39 PM PDT

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-blam!- boys, I'm still using a old 32 magnavox from like 95. Throwin four shots like a boss. I've played on like the old flat screens with the box behind still and the new actually flat thin ones and on the old ones like now and haven't noticed a difference. I do however, like smaller tv better. I played on 50 for a while and then went back to this 32. Way easier to see radar, ammo, score, etc. Personal preference really.

  • 05.18.2012 6:29 PM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better

I used to play on an old TV all the time and had no noticeable problems with BRing. It felt like I was playing Halo mario edition though.

  • 05.20.2012 8:06 PM PDT

There is a certain point of tolerance that should never be reached.

I've got a BAMF Vizio from 2011. It's 120Hz and everything!

  • 05.20.2012 9:13 PM PDT
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Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

I play on a 24 inch admiral tv.

it still has a vcr lol.

  • 05.21.2012 12:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast
I play on a 24 inch admiral tv.

it still has a vcr lol.


no wonder why you suck so much, haha :p

  • 05.21.2012 1:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast
I play on a 24 inch admiral tv.

it still has a vcr lol.


no wonder why you suck so much, haha :p


It will be interesting to see who's really the good players in GB. If I play like how I've been playing this past week we're screwed. I don't expect this to be a long term problem though. I'm working my sens back to 7.

  • 05.22.2012 10:22 PM PDT
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H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

Im not playing in that.

I havent been on H3 in weeks, and I dont even play reach much because of how busy I am.

And the thought of so little teams just isnt that appealing.

good luck though, there isnt much competition so you should do fine.

  • 05.22.2012 10:33 PM PDT

Black Ops 2 I run two accounts warmup only at 1.97kdr...real is at 3.77. i'm in master division 4 league play. pm 4 clan inv...must have 2.5 kdr or better


Posted by: meagsIZbeast
Im not playing in that.

I havent been on H3 in weeks, and I dont even play reach much because of how busy I am.

And the thought of so little teams just isnt that appealing.

good luck though, there isnt much competition so you should do fine.
No, I was going 4:1 kdr at low 40s ts about a week and a half ago. Now at the same levels (different account) I was going +1, +5 and even negative a couple games. I've had to -blam!- with my sensitivity a lot and it's really frustrating when the game feels clunky. To me, my player movement is more important than my shot. When that's off everything else goes. Couple that with inconsistent shooting and I feel like I could be a liability for my team.

Edit: Forget this post, I'm tired and just rambling coz I'm mad. I shoudn't use this as a blog to release frustration.

[Edited on 05.22.2012 11:06 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2012 11:01 PM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

I know the feel.

Iv taken many month+ long breaks from H3 and when I come back it feels very awkward.

Once you get over it, you will probably be playing better than ever before.

  • 05.22.2012 11:09 PM PDT

It makes a huge difference for me. I played on one of those old, huge rear projection TVs and played great online with no problem at all. As soon as I came home and switched to my 17" HDTV I can't BR worth a colonel, the delay is noticeable and it almost makes Halo 3 unplayable.

  • 05.23.2012 4:08 AM PDT
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screen delay sucks arse.

i went from my 22" LED LCD with like 1ms response time or something to my 40" LCDTV with like 5ms+ response time.. couldn't play at all..

  • 05.24.2012 1:37 AM PDT