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Subject: Does simply quoting a user add to the discussion?

Posted by: dazarobbo
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I think it does add to a thread, just not as much as a new post.
I'm going to take that out of context to make another argument.

Quoting another post adds to the thread, but that's literally what it does it does - it adds a duplicate post that I've likely already read, and therefore takes up unnecessary space on the page that could be filled with somebody else's response.

Now I want someone to explain why this is a good thing for discussion on these forums.

If you want to argue that it's a way of indicating you agree with a post, I wouldn't disagree, but I would say that it's not a good way of expressing your agreement because of the reason above. That being said, I think there are far better ways of still allowing others to "this" a post and do so in manner that it not anywhere near as disruptive as it currently is.
Your post makes it sound like "space on the page" is a limited commodity.... It's not. Posting my opinion in whatever way, shape, or form I feel most appropriate does not impede anyone else's ability to do the same.

With that being the case.... Rather than answer your question, let me ask a different question:

Am I not entitled to participate in a discussion, even if I offer no new perspectives from those who have already posted?

And if I am entitled to simply add my opinion, what differece does it make whether I use the same words someone else did or choose some different combination or words?

Now, I'll circle back and answer your question... Why is it a good thing? It's a good thing because it allows everyone the right to participate in a discussion, regardless of whether their point has already been made and regardless of their ability to articulate that point.

  • 05.17.2012 9:19 AM PDT

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If the person says what I was going to say, then yes I'll quote him. Why post what someone else already said?

  • 05.17.2012 9:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Now after this, please don't come into this topic and start doing it just to be ironic/annoying.

  • 05.17.2012 9:40 AM PDT


Posted by: arch4ng13
If the person says what I was going to say, then yes I'll quote him. Why post what someone else already said?
Then why even post at all then?

  • 05.17.2012 10:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: elite_gamer84
Actually, it mildly does. But not enough to generate further discussion. All quoting does is prove that in addition to the quoted post, another person agrees.


Adding a modifier that such contributions are conditional relative to the situation in question, I agree. In many cases, quoting what someone else has said amounts to a nod of assent, a feature of real dialogue which is conspicuously absent from most forms of electronic communication. Sometimes, however, it's the case that quoting is done for other reasons.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: dazarobbo
Now after this, please don't come into this topic and start doing it just to be ironic/annoying.

I REALLY enjoyed seeing this.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 10:05 AM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 10:03 AM PDT

While I think it's annoying, it could be considered as 'facebook- like', or perhaps a sarcastic 'Duh' to a repeat offender question... but there should always be a little extra BLAM with quotes.. for good measure!

  • 05.17.2012 10:08 AM PDT

This topic has come up many times in my time here.

In my opinion, yes, because you're agreeing with something that's already been said and you feel you can't add to it yourself... it's like... in an argument on Facebook comments, when you like a comment to back someone up. A bit silly, but it adds value.

  • 05.17.2012 11:38 AM PDT
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Yes.

It shows peoples opinion on the topic. People do it when they agree with what someone said, and when they couldn't have said it better.

  • 05.17.2012 11:49 AM PDT

This is why we need a like button.

  • 05.17.2012 12:04 PM PDT

DMH

While it may just "duplicate a post", I think it serves a purpose more often than not.

If a user is asking an opinion of something, and wants to know what the community as a whole thinks(which most threads in this forum are just that), quoting someone who has the same opinion/answer as you is just as effective as writing it out yourself.

E.g.:
OP: Do you like my idea for an additional forum function?

First Response: No, I think that would just clutter things around here and look unprofessional.


If that was my opinion as well, why not quote this post? The user is looking for a general consensus of how the community feels about said idea, so just not posting because someone else has already stated my opinion could lead the user to think the first responder was just a jerk.

If I see a post that fully conveys a point that I had planned to make after reading the OP, I will just quote it to show that I stand behind what that user was saying on the subject at hand.

I see no issue with this.

  • 05.17.2012 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: arch4ng13
If the person says what I was going to say, then yes I'll quote him. Why post what someone else already said?
Then why even post at all then?

Because I still want to make my opinion known.

  • 05.17.2012 12:17 PM PDT

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It's the same as a "seconded" motion. It doesn't add data to or against a discussion, but it does add the notion of enforced opinion or outlook and thus "adds" support for a certain idea.

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Eric Duffy
no
I don't see being forced into saying "I agree with this guy" adds any more to the conversation than:
Posted by: Eric Duffy
no


Some people just don't want to pour themselves into a conversation when someone else has spoken their mind, we really shouldn't fault them for that.


P.S. I didn't quote this to be ironic or annoying, I quoted this because he worded my opinion very well.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 12:50 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 12:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Big Black Bear
While it doesn't inject any new viewpoints into the discussion, it does add one more to the pile.

If that itsn't good enough, then polls should not be availible as an option either.

You have a point there Bear, and I agree.

  • 05.17.2012 1:04 PM PDT

Key

Quote-posting = liking. Likes, while a nice feature to have if you've got it, do not contribute to discussion. They express approval of discussion being had.

Therefore, no.

  • 05.17.2012 1:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Quoting another post adds to the thread, but that's literally what it does it does - it adds a duplicate post that I've likely already read, and therefore takes up unnecessary space on the page that could be filled with somebody else's response.
So typing up a functionally equivalent opinion in new words is spam too then? Also, "takes up space"? What? This is a forum. It is electronic. We have as much space as we want. There's no such thing as taking up space. What absolute nonsense.

ed: it appears bear beat me to it so i can now expect a swift ban for "taking up space on the forum" oh well it's been nice knowing you gentlemen.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 1:07 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 1:06 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: dazarobbo
Quoting another post adds to the thread, but that's literally what it does it does - it adds a duplicate post that I've likely already read, and therefore takes up unnecessary space on the page that could be filled with somebody else's response.
So typing up a functionally equivalent opinion in new words is spam too then? Also, "takes up space"? What? This is a forum. It is electronic. We have as much space as we want. There's no such thing as taking up space. What absolute nonsense.
Did they teach you to ever read on the lines in grade school or do you just enjoy weaving in between them that much?

  • 05.17.2012 1:07 PM PDT

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I don't see a problem with it. If somebody said exactly what you were thinking, I don't see why you should quote them then say something afterwards i don't see a point in that.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Eric Duffy
no
Now after this, please don't come into this topic and start doing it just to be ironic/annoying.

And no, IMO.


Ahhhh your no fun.


Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: dazarobbo
Now after this, please don't come into this topic and start doing it just to be ironic/annoying.


Lulz

  • 05.17.2012 1:58 PM PDT

Who the hell do you think I am?

If you do that you're really not doing anything to contribute to the discussion.

  • 05.17.2012 2:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: THE SALTY CHIP
If you do that you're really not doing anything to contribute to the discussion.


EDIT: Oops, not really contributing by quoting you...


OT: It depends on the topic really

[Edited on 05.17.2012 2:03 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 2:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: CAVX
I agree that perhaps a "like" button or something similar would offer a better way for these responses to be included in the discussion more effectively, but we don't have that, so I think it's fine.
Yep. Good point. I agree with that.
I agree as well. Good post.

  • 05.17.2012 2:03 PM PDT

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Beyond showing support from a larger base of people, no.

  • 05.17.2012 2:13 PM PDT
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If quoting with no addition was banned, we'd just see "I agree with user X" posts.

  • 05.17.2012 2:33 PM PDT

In my veiw, it doesn't contribute entirely to the dicussion, but it does show were they stand on the topic, but repeating posts that just say "no." or anything else tends to get rather annoying. If a member agrees with another, simply quoting then posting seems like it should be considered spam as all it is is wasted space and contributes little to any kind of dicussion.

However, if someone were to quote another member then explain their reason why they agree or disagree, then that would be contributing far more than quote-posting.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 2:45 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2012 2:45 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

It doesn't add to the discussion to a large extent it just adds to the preference of the general mood of the topic. It's a "I support this view", when it is repeated many times.[Just quotes, no comments] it indicates the general consensus to the discussion.

But it doesn't add any viewpoint or real input. It does however, contributes towards emphasis towards that point in a thread. However just because something is quoted doesn't make it more right / justified.

[Edited on 05.17.2012 3:36 PM PDT]

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