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Posted by: daves got H1N1

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Holographic training programming is the single laziest explanation I could think of. Seriously. It was literally the first thing I thought of. I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.

It's not like it's important to the plot or anything, and besides this has been the explanation for Multiplayer since CE, a training ground nothing more and nothing less. It's just that now it's being emphasized a little more.
What the hell were you wanting anyway? A lore breaking Spartan war to see who the bestest is? ;-;


Actually, I agree with Mushroom man here.

The way they talked about how MP is now more canon and "Red guy has a reason to shoot blue guy." They made it out to be some well thought out at least, or decent reason for MP. Then they came out and went "It's all training exercises on Infinity only, which magically has a holographic room/room that can recreate other enviroments *which UNSC never had before.*"

I mean, A: That's a cheap and easily thought up excuse. I was honestly predicting and dreading an announcement of "The Canon reason for MP is... TRAINING EXERCISES." And they came out and did that. I really don't wanna hate 343 but some of their choices...


Oh, and "Lore breaking spartan war?" How about this style "spartan war." Side A: lead by Spartan 2's, mostly the Gamma company survivors (which I'd still love hearing about what they did besides disappearing only to reappear to join the S4's.) vs side B: The adult volunteers lead by ONI.

Side A decides they are going to fight to rescue Halsey/take out Miss universe's idiot (wait, sorry, Parangosky.) and thus get into conflict with side B.


Still hate how they freaking based Bungie by saying "MP maps are not reused Campaign spaces."

Edit: As others have said. WHY does MP need an explanation? Why does firefight have to be removed entirely. Why not having MP/matchmaking be the same old non-canon general fun (even have playable elites.) while these "spartan ops" (Horrible name rip off from CoD) are more canon, but completely unrelated. Especially since it sounds like the "spartan ops" are not customizable at all, but predesigned characters.

[Edited on 05.20.2012 10:05 AM PDT]

  • 05.20.2012 9:40 AM PDT

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I can deal with the training explanation, but I would've preferred actual meaty bodies (like Evangelions) being controlled via some sort of neural link by spartans. Just for that visceral feel; that'll be the immersive element I'll miss: not questioning that I'm actually hurting a living body.

Although I suppose with technology that advanced, such a thing would be a bit redundant and a waste of resources, perhaps even a little sadistic. Call me old fashioned, I guess.

  • 05.20.2012 10:48 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: daves got H1N1

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Holographic training programming is the single laziest explanation I could think of. Seriously. It was literally the first thing I thought of. I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.

It's not like it's important to the plot or anything, and besides this has been the explanation for Multiplayer since CE, a training ground nothing more and nothing less. It's just that now it's being emphasized a little more.
What the hell were you wanting anyway? A lore breaking Spartan war to see who the bestest is? ;-;


Actually, I agree with Mushroom man here.

The way they talked about how MP is now more canon and "Red guy has a reason to shoot blue guy." They made it out to be some well thought out at least, or decent reason for MP. Then they came out and went "It's all training exercises on Infinity only, which magically has a holographic room/room that can recreate other enviroments *which UNSC never had before.*"

I mean, A: That's a cheap and easily thought up excuse. I was honestly predicting and dreading an announcement of "The Canon reason for MP is... TRAINING EXERCISES." And they came out and did that. I really don't wanna hate 343 but some of their choices...


Oh, and "Lore breaking spartan war?" How about this style "spartan war." Side A: lead by Spartan 2's, mostly the Gamma company survivors (which I'd still love hearing about what they did besides disappearing only to reappear to join the S4's.) vs side B: The adult volunteers lead by ONI.

Side A decides they are going to fight to rescue Halsey/take out Miss universe's idiot (wait, sorry, Parangosky.) and thus get into conflict with side B.


Still hate how they freaking based Bungie by saying "MP maps are not reused Campaign spaces."

Edit: As others have said. WHY does MP need an explanation? Why does firefight have to be removed entirely. Why not having MP/matchmaking be the same old non-canon general fun (even have playable elites.) while these "spartan ops" (Horrible name rip off from CoD) are more canon, but completely unrelated. Especially since it sounds like the "spartan ops" are not customizable at all, but predesigned characters.
Problem with your war is that then there would be three player models. Spartan IIs, IIIs, and IVs.

Gamma company probably had SPI armour as well.

[Edited on 05.20.2012 11:11 AM PDT]

  • 05.20.2012 11:11 AM PDT

Wrong.

A: they say in glasslands that "Gamma company will be recovered and 'upgraded' to Spartan IV's." Thus making an S3 model be the same as S4.
B: The S2's would be background/not part of the fighting, just like ONI officers wouldn't be part of the fighting (ingame at least).

Gamma did have SPI, but we know jack -blam!- about what they actually did. We know they deployed, apparently disappeared, and magically had enough survivors to make it worthwhile to recover and 'upgrade them.'

343, PLEASE release a gamma company story.

  • 05.20.2012 11:17 AM PDT

They weren't bashing Bungie when they mentioned the MP spaces not being reused from the Campaign. A lot of fans disliked that Bungie went in that direction, and 343 was just assuring them that they weren't going to continue down that road.

They also said that the reason for them fighting would be expected, and nothing too crazy.

People should really stop acting as if their MP experience will be drastically change. Is it a bad thing that they integrated it into the narrative? Would you have preferred it be something more deep? If you got deep wouldn't you just complain that it's too much intrusion on matchmaking?

[Edited on 05.20.2012 11:24 AM PDT]

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Why do we need a reason for why they fight? It seems that 343 was watching Star Trek and decided that the UNSC should suddenly develop Holodecks. Multiplayer hasn't had an explanation for more than ten years, why start now?

  • 05.20.2012 11:20 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wrong.

A: they say in glasslands that "Gamma company will be recovered and 'upgraded' to Spartan IV's." Thus making an S3 model be the same as S4.
B: The S2's would be background/not part of the fighting, just like ONI officers wouldn't be part of the fighting (ingame at least).

Gamma did have SPI, but we know jack -blam!- about what they actually did. We know they deployed, apparently disappeared, and magically had enough survivors to make it worthwhile to recover and 'upgrade them.'

343, PLEASE release a gamma company story.
You do realize that Spartan 2s and 3s are probably stronger than Spartan 4s. They had much tougher training.

Spartan IIIs are not "upgraded" to Spartan 4s. They are assimilated into the program. They are still Spartan 3s physically.

But I do want a story about Gamma company. I just don't think your "canon MP story" is right way to go about it. I want a full out game with a campaign and everything.

  • 05.20.2012 11:25 AM PDT


Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Holographic training programming is the single laziest explanation I could think of. Seriously. It was literally the first thing I thought of. I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.
Whilst I agree that it's not a particularly imaginative explanation, it's still probably the best. At least, I'd rather holographic training programme than random military schism. To be honest though, I've never needed a reason for Reds to fight Blues, though I suppose it's necessary for the whole Spartan Ops thing (which sounds pretty cool IMO).

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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.


Mushy not using his brain for more than 2 seconds, what a surprise.

  • 05.20.2012 11:28 AM PDT


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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.


Mushy not using his brain for more than 2 seconds, what a surprise.


Um, it doesn't take long to create the "TRAINING EXERCISES" explanation for MP, which is utterly unneeded.

I still wonder why we can't have campaign, this "spartan ops" and Firefight/MP/Matchmaking all seperate.

Campaign and Spartan ops gets canon reasons for being of course, MP/matchmaking doesn't need any, so they don't get a reason to be 'canon'. Firefight can either be Non-canon, or like Mass Effect 3 multiplayer. Spartans holding the line/ securing an area against the enemy.

  • 05.20.2012 11:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: NAStheMagiking
They weren't bashing Bungie when they mentioned the MP spaces not being reused from the Campaign. A lot of fans disliked that Bungie went in that direction, and 343 was just assuring them that they weren't going to continue down that road.

They also said that the reason for them fighting would be expected, and nothing too crazy.

People should really stop acting as if their MP experience will be drastically change. Is it a bad thing that they integrated it into the narrative? Would you have preferred it be something more deep? If you got deep wouldn't you just complain that it's too much intrusion on matchmaking?

  • 05.20.2012 12:00 PM PDT


Posted by: NAStheMagiking
They weren't bashing Bungie when they mentioned the MP spaces not being reused from the Campaign. A lot of fans disliked that Bungie went in that direction, and 343 was just assuring them that they weren't going to continue down that road.

They also said that the reason for them fighting would be expected, and nothing too crazy.

People should really stop acting as if their MP experience will be drastically change. Is it a bad thing that they integrated it into the narrative? Would you have preferred it be something more deep? If you got deep wouldn't you just complain that it's too much intrusion on matchmaking?


A: The fact they said that when Bungie OUTRIGHT said in Reach, the maps were made for MP first, THEN applied to campaign, makes me look at it as bashing, however small.
B: Must've missed that part.
C: From what I gather, the MP experience will change. It sounds like they are adding things from CoD/Gears of War to the game. Those two games have things that work, in those game styles only <_<.


It's not bad to slip it into the narritive, but the video I saw where they said it, I got the feeling of "It'll be something other then training exercises." not "Now the matches are just canon training exercises."

[Edited on 05.20.2012 12:47 PM PDT]

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So Red vs Blue wasn't based on true events? Aw.

Of course it was. Caboose is definitely canon. ;p


I don't think 343i are that nuts to make RvB Halo canon.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: NAStheMagiking
They weren't bashing Bungie when they mentioned the MP spaces not being reused from the Campaign. A lot of fans disliked that Bungie went in that direction, and 343 was just assuring them that they weren't going to continue down that road.

They also said that the reason for them fighting would be expected, and nothing too crazy.

People should really stop acting as if their MP experience will be drastically change. Is it a bad thing that they integrated it into the narrative? Would you have preferred it be something more deep? If you got deep wouldn't you just complain that it's too much intrusion on matchmaking?


A: The fact they said that when Bungie OUTRIGHT said in Reach, the maps were made for MP first, THEN applied to campaign, makes me look at it as bashing, however small.


I sort of felt that too - Bungie had specifically said the spaces were designed for multiplayer first, then fitted into the Campaign. The way 343i is going on about it, they're making it seem like Bungie did the opposite, and they're here to correct Bungie's mistake.

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Posted by: Synyster Ricz
So Red vs Blue wasn't based on true events? Aw.

Of course it was. Caboose is definitely canon. ;p


I don't think 343i are that nuts to make RvB Halo canon.

Haha, I know, it was just a joke. :p

  • 05.20.2012 2:19 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: NAStheMagiking
They weren't bashing Bungie when they mentioned the MP spaces not being reused from the Campaign. A lot of fans disliked that Bungie went in that direction, and 343 was just assuring them that they weren't going to continue down that road.

They also said that the reason for them fighting would be expected, and nothing too crazy.

People should really stop acting as if their MP experience will be drastically change. Is it a bad thing that they integrated it into the narrative? Would you have preferred it be something more deep? If you got deep wouldn't you just complain that it's too much intrusion on matchmaking?


A: The fact they said that when Bungie OUTRIGHT said in Reach, the maps were made for MP first, THEN applied to campaign, makes me look at it as bashing, however small.


I sort of felt that too - Bungie had specifically said the spaces were designed for multiplayer first, then fitted into the Campaign. The way 343i is going on about it, they're making it seem like Bungie did the opposite, and they're here to correct Bungie's mistake.


Yep. The way it was said just came across to me as a "See, Bungie did that and it sucked. So we aren't therefore we are better!".

Funny news flash, pretty much every game I know of has MP spaces based off/similar to the campaign maps.

  • 05.20.2012 3:56 PM PDT

red team fights the blue team because blue fights the red team, it's -blam!- multiplayer, you don't need an explanation!

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Posted by: daves got H1N1

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Holographic training programming is the single laziest explanation I could think of. Seriously. It was literally the first thing I thought of. I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.

It's not like it's important to the plot or anything, and besides this has been the explanation for Multiplayer since CE, a training ground nothing more and nothing less. It's just that now it's being emphasized a little more.
What the hell were you wanting anyway? A lore breaking Spartan war to see who the bestest is? ;-;
What? Multiplayer was never canon in Bungie's Halo games. The maps themselves were suppose to be canon, but there was never actually meant to be a reason for the Reds and Blues fighting each other. Although there was one particular map that was said to be a training facility, but that was just one map.

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So Red vs Blue wasn't based on true events? Aw.


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Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wrong.

A: they say in glasslands that "Gamma company will be recovered and 'upgraded' to Spartan IV's." Thus making an S3 model be the same as S4.
B: The S2's would be background/not part of the fighting, just like ONI officers wouldn't be part of the fighting (ingame at least).

Gamma did have SPI, but we know jack -blam!- about what they actually did. We know they deployed, apparently disappeared, and magically had enough survivors to make it worthwhile to recover and 'upgrade them.'

343, PLEASE release a gamma company story.
You do realize that Spartan 2s and 3s are probably stronger than Spartan 4s. They had much tougher training.

Spartan IIIs are not "upgraded" to Spartan 4s. They are assimilated into the program. They are still Spartan 3s physically.

But I do want a story about Gamma company. I just don't think your "canon MP story" is right way to go about it. I want a full out game with a campaign and everything.


Prove that SPARTAN-II and III are stronger than SPARTAN-IV> IIRC, it was stated that SPARTAN-IV would get similar augmentations to wear MJOLNIR Mark VII so I believe it will be par with SPARTAN-II/III.

Further in technology would allow them to augment adult humans instead of child.

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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Holographic training programming is the single laziest explanation I could think of. Seriously. It was literally the first thing I thought of. I didn't even sit there 2 seconds thinking about.


Killing each other is defiantly training. It should have been something along the lines of the Rebels or whatever getting some of that armor and then they duke it out.

  • 05.22.2012 3:30 AM PDT

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