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Subject: Classic Theory. Do they stand the test of time? Come find out.
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Also, take into account the Covenant not knowing how to concentrate their plasma weapons like they did in The Fall of REACH until the events of first strike, where the Covie AI gains access to how Cortana did this, and warns the Covenant ships of how to do it (and jump into and out of a planet's atmosphere) and sends a distress call.

Makes you think about that time loop doesn't it..


I don;t see how that has anything to do with the crystal.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Also, take into account the Covenant not knowing how to concentrate their plasma weapons like they did in The Fall of REACH until the events of first strike, where the Covie AI gains access to how Cortana did this, and warns the Covenant ships of how to do it (and jump into and out of a planet's atmosphere) and sends a distress call.

Makes you think about that time loop doesn't it..


I don;t see how that has anything to do with the crystal.

The Covenant had no idea on how to sniper ships like that until AFTER Halo CE's events, and in FIrst Strike.

That means someone informed them of something no one should've know about..or maybe the time warp let the Ascendant Justice (which was also at REACH)'s AI inform the fleet on how to do it before the attack on REACH happened.

Because anyway you look at it, that Flag ship should not have been doing that if there was no time-warping going on.

  • 06.07.2006 5:48 PM PDT

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if he saw 26 spartans and there's 27 wouldnt you just count the spartan doing the motion tracker boosting OMG 26+1=27 !!!!!!!!

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Wow. Eagle really was the master. To formulate this, and even be able to state sources and cite pages he's getting stuff from... amazing. I disagree on the point, however, that the crystal won't let itself be destroyed. I just don't see something like that happening. In order to do something like that, it would need some sort of intelligence to govern it's actions, such as an AI.

  • 06.07.2006 6:00 PM PDT

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They didn't tell us what it was it could have been anything. Frankie gets scared easy incase you didn't know.

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Now how do we know that the Arbiter was the commander of Ascendant Justice? We don't. And how do we know that the Ascendant Justice was at Halo? We don't.

Proof that the Arbiter was NOT on the AJ

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Now how do we know that the Arbiter was the commander of Ascendant Justice? We don't. And how do we know that the Ascendant Justice was at Halo? We don't.

Proof that the Arbiter was NOT on the AJ

"Make sure those pilots that survived well rewarded. Then execute them all. Quickly. Quietly" -Truth (p. 340 FS)

The 'survivors' were the ones who recovered the crystal, not from the fleet guarding Halo/Following the Autumn.

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My...God... how can he type so much? The guys smart and everything but I've gotta suggest a life other than Halo before his brain explodes.

  • 06.10.2006 12:30 PM PDT
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Also, take into account the Covenant not knowing how to concentrate their plasma weapons like they did in The Fall of REACH until the events of first strike, where the Covie AI gains access to how Cortana did this, and warns the Covenant ships of how to do it (and jump into and out of a planet's atmosphere) and sends a distress call.

Makes you think about that time loop doesn't it..


I don;t see how that has anything to do with the crystal.


The Covenant had no idea on how to sniper ships like that until AFTER Halo CE's events, and in FIrst Strike.


No, the covenant knew how to sniper ships like that in The Fall of Reach. Cortana figured out how to improve the standard plasma turrets, but the Ship in The Fall of Reach was shooting a different kind of weapon. The sniper ship in The Fall of Reach was not using the improvements that Cortana made. They are different weapons.

That means someone informed them of something no one should've know about..or maybe the time warp let the Ascendant Justice (which was also at REACH)'s AI inform the fleet on how to do it before the attack on REACH happened.

The only problem is that the AJ and it's AI did not go back in time, if they did(Which they did not), the crystal only brought them back to the 13th, which is after the battle of Reach, and the AI on the AJ did not leak the information about the improvements to the weapons that Cortana made.

  • 06.10.2006 12:32 PM PDT
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I remember Eagle he was very smart

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He's not far off, I've only read the first one so far, they're long, I printed them off from Word and I'll get through them when I get time, but the first one is incredible, unfortunately with the release of Halo 2 it was proven wrong, because Miranda Keyes (who is not a Spartan, nor wears Spartan armour for fun), is called the reclaimer. "Careful! Do not injure the reclaimer!" 343GS says to Tarturus as he's forcefully trying to make Miranda put the index into the little slot thingy. (Great Journey, opening cutscene before the battle with Tarturus.)

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Thanks for posting those Jim. Great theories, I have to say. I think some points are errors, or have been proven to be wrong by Halo 2, but I think Eagle was onto something when he pointed out how the MC didn't mention Kelly, which now I think about it, does seem pretty darn odd.

We know that he prefers to work with Kelly, Linda, Fred, James, Joshua, Sam (KIA after getting the MJOLLNIR armour) and Fhajad (reassigned after augmentation). And in every single battle that the books detail, most of these characters are mentioned.

Prologue Battle: John, Kelly ("she was the fastest spartan on his team", FoR p2), and 3 other unidentified Spartans (likely to be Fred/James/Joshua/Linda)

Rebel Base Mission: John, Kelly, Fred, Sam, Linda

Covenant Ship Mission: John, Kelly, Sam (KIA)

Sigma Octanus: John, Fred, Kelly, James (Blue Team), Joshua (Red Team Lead.), Linda (Green Team Lead)

Space Mission: John, Linda, James

And of course, Kelly, Joshua, and Fred are explicitly mentioned when detailing the Reach Mission in FS. Indeed Fred and Kelly are the focus of that aspect of the book.

So given all this, and his close relationship with Kelly, the only reason why it would appear that he didn't mention her (and she'd certainly be one of the ones that he immediately noticed), is that because she wasn't there at the time; she was being recalled.

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Also, take into account the Covenant not knowing how to concentrate their plasma weapons like they did in The Fall of REACH until the events of first strike, where the Covie AI gains access to how Cortana did this, and warns the Covenant ships of how to do it (and jump into and out of a planet's atmosphere) and sends a distress call.

Makes you think about that time loop doesn't it..


I don;t see how that has anything to do with the crystal.


The Covenant had no idea on how to sniper ships like that until AFTER Halo CE's events, and in FIrst Strike.


No, the covenant knew how to sniper ships like that in The Fall of Reach. Cortana figured out how to improve the standard plasma turrets, but the Ship in The Fall of Reach was shooting a different kind of weapon. The sniper ship in The Fall of Reach was not using the improvements that Cortana made. They are different weapons.

That means someone informed them of something no one should've know about..or maybe the time warp let the Ascendant Justice (which was also at REACH)'s AI inform the fleet on how to do it before the attack on REACH happened.

The only problem is that the AJ and it's AI did not go back in time, if they did(Which they did not), the crystal only brought them back to the 13th, which is after the battle of Reach, and the AI on the AJ did not leak the information about the improvements to the weapons that Cortana made.


Good point. But I'm not so sure about what you said about the leaked info..I was sure that the Covenant AI informed tha fleet how Cortana jumped from in an Atmosphere (which explains why Regret sees no problem with it in Halo 2), and what she did with the weaponry..along with the distress call..

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
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Also, take into account the Covenant not knowing how to concentrate their plasma weapons like they did in The Fall of REACH until the events of first strike, where the Covie AI gains access to how Cortana did this, and warns the Covenant ships of how to do it (and jump into and out of a planet's atmosphere) and sends a distress call.

Makes you think about that time loop doesn't it..


I don;t see how that has anything to do with the crystal.


The Covenant had no idea on how to sniper ships like that until AFTER Halo CE's events, and in FIrst Strike.


No, the covenant knew how to sniper ships like that in The Fall of Reach. Cortana figured out how to improve the standard plasma turrets, but the Ship in The Fall of Reach was shooting a different kind of weapon. The sniper ship in The Fall of Reach was not using the improvements that Cortana made. They are different weapons.

That means someone informed them of something no one should've know about..or maybe the time warp let the Ascendant Justice (which was also at REACH)'s AI inform the fleet on how to do it before the attack on REACH happened.

The only problem is that the AJ and it's AI did not go back in time, if they did(Which they did not), the crystal only brought them back to the 13th, which is after the battle of Reach, and the AI on the AJ did not leak the information about the improvements to the weapons that Cortana made.


Good point. But I'm not so sure about what you said about the leaked info..I was sure that the Covenant AI informed tha fleet how Cortana jumped from in an Atmosphere (which explains why Regret sees no problem with it in Halo 2), and what she did with the weaponry..along with the distress call..


No, the AI says nothing about the weaponry. Cortana destroys the AI before she finds out that she can improve the plasma turrets.

  • 06.10.2006 1:52 PM PDT

agoo.... so much to read, i read all of it, my finger is sore from scrolling, some of guys are starting to pryamid qoute. this would make a good sticky, maybe bungie is going to tie this in somehow with out the player actually realizing it. bold white text kinda hurts my eyes

  • 06.10.2006 2:53 PM PDT

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Also, take into account the Covenant not knowing how to concentrate their plasma weapons like they did in The Fall of REACH until the events of first strike, where the Covie AI gains access to how Cortana did this, and warns the Covenant ships of how to do it (and jump into and out of a planet's atmosphere) and sends a distress call.

Makes you think about that time loop doesn't it..


I don;t see how that has anything to do with the crystal.


The Covenant had no idea on how to sniper ships like that until AFTER Halo CE's events, and in FIrst Strike.


No, the covenant knew how to sniper ships like that in The Fall of Reach. Cortana figured out how to improve the standard plasma turrets, but the Ship in The Fall of Reach was shooting a different kind of weapon. The sniper ship in The Fall of Reach was not using the improvements that Cortana made. They are different weapons.

That means someone informed them of something no one should've know about..or maybe the time warp let the Ascendant Justice (which was also at REACH)'s AI inform the fleet on how to do it before the attack on REACH happened.

The only problem is that the AJ and it's AI did not go back in time, if they did(Which they did not), the crystal only brought them back to the 13th, which is after the battle of Reach, and the AI on the AJ did not leak the information about the improvements to the weapons that Cortana made.


Good point. But I'm not so sure about what you said about the leaked info..I was sure that the Covenant AI informed tha fleet how Cortana jumped from in an Atmosphere (which explains why Regret sees no problem with it in Halo 2), and what she did with the weaponry..along with the distress call..


No, the AI says nothing about the weaponry. Cortana destroys the AI before she finds out that she can improve the plasma turrets.

She figured out how to use the plasma weapons more efficiently when they were outnumbered in the wreckage of Halo 04, correct?

  • 06.10.2006 4:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
She figured out how to use the plasma weapons more efficiently when they were outnumbered in the wreckage of Halo 04, correct?


No, it was when she was outnumbered at Reach. Page 171 of First Strike.

  • 06.10.2006 4:19 PM PDT

Man, it's been so long since I wrote this stuff that I'm as lost as some of you when reading through it. Good ol' times, hey Jim? It's funny now to think back before Halo 2, remembering b.net friends who wouldn't come into my threads because they thought I might ruin the game for them. I still have ideas, but not the time to properly document them. Maybe one day soon I'll take an afternoon to sit down and write something up... the Dictionary of Angles theory I posted over at HBO is hard to top:-)

- Eagle 117

  • 06.11.2006 1:01 AM PDT

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In Blue Team'sPelican going to destroy Circumference on the Space dock.
"Brace for maneuvering!" the Master Chief barked, the Spartans dove for safety harnesses and strapped in. "All secure!" Kelly shouted
pg. 306 Halo: The Fall of REACH

What is Kelly doing with Blue team while she is also supposedly in Red Team's Pelican, going down to REACH?


Also, why is there a gap between the Halo's designation? It should be:
Alpha
Beta
Gamma
Delta

But we go straight from Alpha to Delta..something's not right...maybe you're on to something about Ackerson knowing lots of things about the rings...

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