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While looking back on some old posts in a group of mine, something came to my attention.

I'm sure you all recall this stats sheet posted when the Halo stats were moved from Bungie.net. May I direct your attention to the red section about 3/4 of the way down the page, archiving Bungie.net related stats. The post count at this time (end of March) is just over 49 million. Obviously this is two months later, so that number has no doubt gone up slightly.

But check my post screen out. This number gives a numerical tag to each post you make, allowing you to link to specific posts, as I'm sure you all know. Some posts are deleted, obviously, meaning if you typed the url with the ID number for that specific deleted post, you would go to an error screen and not be able to read said post (it's gone, after all). Other posts are in groups, meaning that unless you were in the group itself, you couldn't go directly to the post. All public and private forums have counted towards this number. There was actually a thread about us reaching 70,000,000 posts (based on the post ID tags in the url) on the Septagon a few weeks back.

That number in the url of my create post page is 72,278,151, not the 49,000,000 on the stats page linked a minute ago. And while this site is still respectively active, we've lost a significant amount of activity in the last year or so due to the darkness. There hasn't been more than 20 million posts in 6 weeks, people.

Where did these "ghost posts" go? Did whoever construct the stat sheet just not include deleted posts, leaving old forums like Optimatch entirely uncounted? Did he not include private groups? If that's the case, then how in the hell has the private group community amassed more than 20 million posts when even the most massive of private communities have yet to reach 1 million posts? (I have a private group post count script, in case you're wondering how I know that.) Help me out here.

  • 05.19.2012 9:05 PM PDT

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That's pretty interesting, I honestly have no idea.

  • 05.19.2012 9:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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At this moment in time, there have been 427,562 groups made. Each of these groups would only have to make ~50 posts total to reach 20,000,000. For those that haven't, the very large groups have most likely done it for them. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if they simply didn't count private group posts.

  • 05.19.2012 9:17 PM PDT

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  • 05.19.2012 9:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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I'm going with group posts not being counted. As Mushy said, it only takes 50 posts per group to get 20 million and there are many groups who have more than 50 posts.

  • 05.19.2012 9:24 PM PDT

Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
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Only after we ban Bricypoo.

Why does it matter?

Honestly this is not something I would consider an "important question" unless I am missing something...

[Edited on 05.19.2012 9:32 PM PDT]

  • 05.19.2012 9:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bricypoo
Why does it matter?

Honestly this is not something I would consider an "important question" unless I am missing something...


youre absolutely right lol i guess we should return to discussing the life or death matters that are constantly being debated here such as the color of the bungie studios bathroom paint and the ability to make our bars colorful in groups lol sorry i guess i'll go now

  • 05.19.2012 9:40 PM PDT

Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
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Posted by: True Underdog
Only after we ban Bricypoo.

I'm just expressing my disappointment when I saw ye thread title "an important question" I was planning for something important or something that is totally random. The fact that this thread is neither highly diasppoints me.
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Posted by: Bricypoo
Why does it matter?

Honestly this is not something I would consider an "important question" unless I am missing something...


youre absolutely right lol i guess we should return to discussing the life or death matters that are constantly being debated here such as the color of the bungie studios bathroom paint and the ability to make our bars colorful in groups lol sorry i guess i'll go now

  • 05.19.2012 9:45 PM PDT

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They're feeding us lies, man.

I would guess some forums weren't counted. I would think the private group scene would actually account for at least 20 million posts.

  • 05.19.2012 10:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
At this moment in time, there have been 427,562 groups made. Each of these groups would only have to make ~50 posts total to reach 20,000,000. For those that haven't, the very large groups have most likely done it for them. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if they simply didn't count private group posts.

This seems plausible.

  • 05.19.2012 11:03 PM PDT

"There's daggers in men's smiles." - Donalbain, Macbeth, Act II, scene iii

Bungie.net has been around longer than the Halo series. The Halo-era Stat Sheet is based on the Halo Era (that's a shocker), and with that in mind, it's probably safe to assume that the pre-Halo posts or forum topics were not included in any of those stats.

Private groups have been around for a while; if one of the currently largest private groups on can amass 1% of Bungie.net's posts within 1-2 years' time, the post count from the past 8 years of all private group activity is probably pretty high.

I'm shooting all of this out of my ass, by the way. I could be completely off-base with all of this. But, between pre-Halo forum posts and 8 years of private group activity, I'd say that accounts for the missing 20 million posts.

[Edited on 05.19.2012 11:04 PM PDT]

  • 05.19.2012 11:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
I'm going with group posts not being counted. As Mushy said, it only takes 50 posts per group to get 20 million and there are many groups who have more than 50 posts.
eh.
I made four groups and joint admin'd a fifth.

Three of those groups only had a handful of posts from me optimistically posting pre-pinned threads for users that never came, and I subsequently deleted the groups.

I'm sure people who were around for the fights to control the flood (probably around the time HRG was created) probably went into a group creation frenzy. I've seen tons of groups created to rival (more accurately spite) others that never achieved more than 20 members as well.

  • 05.20.2012 4:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
I'm going with group posts not being counted. As Mushy said, it only takes 50 posts per group to get 20 million and there are many groups who have more than 50 posts.
eh.
I made four groups and joint admin'd a fifth.

Three of those groups only had a handful of posts from me optimistically posting pre-pinned threads for users that never came, and I subsequently deleted the groups.

I'm sure people who were around for the fights to control the flood (probably around the time HRG was created) probably went into a group creation frenzy. I've seen tons of groups created to rival (more accurately spite) others that never achieved more than 20 members as well.

But these groups can get offset by mega-groups (KOTOR, Sapphire etc.) that can have tens of thousands of posts.

  • 05.20.2012 7:21 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I would imagine that postID is a database field entry and the values, while numeric, are not strictly sequential.

  • 05.20.2012 7:26 AM PDT

I'm 99% sure the postID is also used to identify comments on file share items. There's also the possibility that there's a hidden "thread" (which is probably also just a post) for each file which all of the comments are joined to.

  • 05.20.2012 8:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Xd00999
I'm going with group posts not being counted. As Mushy said, it only takes 50 posts per group to get 20 million and there are many groups who have more than 50 posts.
eh.
I made four groups and joint admin'd a fifth.

Three of those groups only had a handful of posts from me optimistically posting pre-pinned threads for users that never came, and I subsequently deleted the groups.

I'm sure people who were around for the fights to control the flood (probably around the time HRG was created) probably went into a group creation frenzy. I've seen tons of groups created to rival (more accurately spite) others that never achieved more than 20 members as well.

But on the other hand there are groups like Saphire with over hundreds of thousands of posts, more than making up for groups that never took off.

  • 05.20.2012 8:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I would imagine that postID is a database field entry and the values, while numeric, are not strictly sequential.

Plausible, this could be it. Mushroom man also had a plausible idea as well. I personally have no idea.

  • 05.20.2012 9:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I would imagine that postID is a database field entry and the values, while numeric, are not strictly sequential.

Plausible, this could be it. Mushroom man also had a plausible idea as well. I personally have no idea.
This should be pretty easy to test from an outside user perspective. Have a small group of...10-15 users all agree to write an intelligent post somewhere on bungie.net and post it at the same specific time (5pm PST), then you could compare post IDs to see how close they are, if they're sequential, etc.

  • 05.21.2012 12:10 PM PDT