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Subject: I have the most effective way to stop cheating for Halo 3!
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Ok I was installing Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne today when it asked me for my cd key. Then it hit me. What if Halo 3 came with a cd key! Think about it. Why do you think there is next to no cheating in PC game (especially newer titles)? Cd keys! If you cheat, you get your cd key banned and then you will need a new game to play online again. Not only that but combine it with the current GT banning, Xbox seriel banning, and the X360 unopenable case to reduce modded boxes and you get a game with a cheating-proof system. So lets say you realize you suck at H3 and decide to standby. Yeah you probably rose 2-3 levels but guess what? Now you have to go get a new:

Halo 3 disk $60-$70
Xbox 360 most likely a price drop already occured $250-$350
New GT $50

That equals at least $360 (funny?) for just the chance to play on Live again. So was the 2-3 levels you rose worth it? Now granted, there are a couple of ways to play on live free of charge after you cheat. First to get the H3 cd key you could trade with a non-xbox live customer friend. Next for a new x360, you could get again trade with a nxlcf. And for a new gt you could simply use your free 2 month account that comes with a new X360. Now, this is extremely tedious work just to get back on Live, wouldn't you agree? You have to take into consideration also that most people don't have a friend that they could trade for a H3 disk and an X360.

I truly believe this system would stop ALL cheating or at least reduce it so much that you woud get cheated once every year. After this all you would have to worry about would be in game bugs like the infamous "dummy glitch".

Thanks for reading.

  • 06.06.2006 12:12 PM PDT

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That's an interesting idea, but I don't think the game console community is there yet. It's kind of a big reason why game consoles are beating the tar out of PC games.

  • 06.06.2006 12:15 PM PDT

Sighness

Indubidubly. Banana.

This is like banning the serial number on Xboxes. If someone got banned from Live, then they'd go to EB and sell Halo 3 and get another copy. Get that copy banned and keep doing it till there's a lot of Halo 3 discs with banned CD Keys, and stores losing lots of money. >_>.

I forgot to add, the only solution I know that may work would be banning Credit Cards. All I can think of is positives for that one, except for credit card thieves or a legit younger/older sibling who would have their account banned because they're on the same credit card. Dammit, =/

[Edited on 6/6/2006]

  • 06.06.2006 12:17 PM PDT
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how do you stop something that hasn't even started yet?

  • 06.06.2006 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sighness
This is like banning the serial number on Xboxes. If someone got banned from Live, then they'd go to EB and sell Halo 3 and get another copy. Get that copy banned and keep doing it till there's a lot of Halo 3 discs with banned CD Keys, and stores losing lots of money. >_>.


What you could do is make a list of banned serial numbers available to the public. That way it would reduce the value of the banned console. The same idea would work for CD keys.

  • 06.06.2006 12:27 PM PDT
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People will cheat on the 360. You don't even need to mod it to access the HDD. Ppl already can access their HDD and install modded game saves. Who told you the case in unopenable? Its screwless yes but most certainly still openable. There are ways around everything, you get your 360 serial banned all you need to do is reflash the EEProm and XBL will think its a different xbox (Assuming the 360 has a EEProm like the Xbox1). As for banning the CD key may work at first, but hacker will most defiantly find a way around it. No matter what they do hackers will hack and continue to cheat.

  • 06.06.2006 12:31 PM PDT
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A Guide to Networking, Matchmaking, and Host in Halo (HBO mirror)

Bungie Friends and Family invitee, and sender of "random emails" about networking.

*Sigh* Most of you guys have no clue how to stop cheating.

Networking Abuse

Standby

Get the netcode to detect when the host is not recieving any updates. Give it 2 or 3 update cycles (0.5-0.75s) before pausing the game and going to the blue screen.

If a host drops 3 times, change the host.

Bridging

Get each player to ping the other players. If a player cannot connect to the majority of players, give an error message about their NAT setting being too high, or something and kick them out the game. Bridgers can only connect to one player.

Get the XBL server to assign the host to a player, rather than initially giving it to a player, and switching it at stage 2/3. If a player cannot connect, he gets removed from the game.

Finally, if a player becomes disconnected from the host, get the game to check which side this problem is occuring. If it's on the host's side (i.e. the host is blocking the player), reassign the host. If it's on the player's side, disconnect him from the game after a few seconds (this prevents players from blocking the host to reassign the host to another player).

Suiciders/Betrayers

Simply make it so a player can only commit 3 betrayals and 5 suicides, or lose 5 points, whichever comes first.

Derankers

Hardcode the handicap function to be disabled in matchmaking. Fix suiciding/betraying (above). Boot players who are idle for 90 seconds (in slayer games)

Modders

Hash the map files, and verify their integrity when signing on to live. If an error occurs, tell the user to reinstall the downloadable content, and either lock them out of matchmaking via the software, until the maps are fixed, or prevent them from signing on to live.

Et al

Feedback system.

  • 06.06.2006 12:37 PM PDT

Sighness

Indubidubly. Banana.

What you could do is make a list of banned serial numbers available to the public. That way it would reduce the value of the banned console. The same idea would work for CD keys.

But you see, the consoles and games that have been banned as a whole will be rendered useless. No one would want to buy an Xbox/Game which can't be played on Live. Gaming stores would be losing money as they're buying back these crappy banned things and can't re-sell them to anyone =/

So, making a list would be pointless as everyone would simply stick to buying new consoles.

  • 06.06.2006 12:40 PM PDT

I am a Floodian

it would end the rental system

  • 06.06.2006 12:50 PM PDT

How many Christians must you slap until one of them turns the other cheek?

"What came first? The stone-tool or the shadow-puppet?"
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Think about it, "God" is an atheist.

You can't ban the Xbox (360)

The cheater will sell it, someone else will buy it used, and they won't be able to play on Live. That makes one very unhappy person...the guy who bought a 360 and can't play live.

Now, the cd-key, you might be on to something.

  • 06.06.2006 12:57 PM PDT

sadly there will always be people that cheat no game is free from it but if they banned the CD all the Halo 3 rentals would be useless becuase no one would know which still worked

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tis is gud idee. tehre iss two menne cheatin in teh halo2. lst nite i ply an i got stanbied 4 tiems n lsot to musch. teh halo3 shuld ponitch cheetrz so tehy gowy.

  • 06.06.2006 1:10 PM PDT
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if cheating is anywhere near as popular as it was in halo 2 this could kill companies like gamestop that make their money off of used systems/games. No one would buy any xbox 360 stuff used anymore thus knocking out a HUGE part of business for gamestop (they make about 95% of their profit on used stuff... learned it when interviewing for a job there). Take that 95, say by the time halo 3 comes out they're making roughly 15-20% of their total profit from used xbox 360 stuff. that's a LOT of money. banning xboxes would be TERRIBLE. some guy a few posts up had some better ideas.

  • 06.06.2006 1:11 PM PDT
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Well, I know its impossible but,..

Heres my uber permannate way of stopping cheaters:

Upon finding a cheater, bungie calls their internet and has them send a power spuike through the cheater's internet cable, blowing out the internet section of their xbox. Now theres no way they can use internet on it again, and if they try to sell the xbox, i think having it partially blown up would be noticed pretty fast.


and wtf, could you remake your post in normal english?
thnx

Now for my idea that might work: If you find a cheater / modder / bridger etc, you jus ban them.

First offense, no warning,

just cheat ( 2 seconds later) BLAM

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  • 06.06.2006 1:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Donos
Well, I know its impossible but,..

Heres my uber permannate way of stopping cheaters:

Upon finding a cheater, bungie calls their internet and has them send a power spuike through the cheater's internet cable, blowing out the internet section of their xbox. Now theres no way they can use internet on it again, and if they try to sell the xbox, i think having it partially blown up would be noticed pretty fast.


and wtf, could you remake your post in normal english?
thnx


wutrs a ubre permatte?

  • 06.06.2006 1:14 PM PDT

Posted by: CoachKrzyzewski
if cheating is anywhere near as popular as it was in halo 2 this could kill companies like gamestop that make their money off of used systems/games. No one would buy any xbox 360 stuff used anymore thus knocking out a HUGE part of business for gamestop (they make about 95% of their profit on used stuff... learned it when interviewing for a job there). Take that 95, say by the time halo 3 comes out they're making roughly 15-20% of their total profit from used xbox 360 stuff. that's a LOT of money. banning xboxes would be TERRIBLE. some guy a few posts up had some better ideas.


Gamestop, EB, Gamecrazy all inspect the Xboxes that come in. If the seal is broken on the box, they won't let you sell or trade.

  • 06.06.2006 1:15 PM PDT
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uh... are you not american or trying to be cool? well anyway, this wouldnt work because you dont actually have to install 360 games. os yeah. either it'd be really -blam!- and like, youd have to like, use your little "code" everytime you did anything or else uh.. yeah. i dont really know where im going with this. i like the whole ban the credit card idea the best.

  • 06.06.2006 1:16 PM PDT
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uber permanate. I just mistyped it.

  • 06.06.2006 1:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sighness
If someone got banned from Live, then they'd go to EB and sell Halo 3 and get another copy. Get that copy banned and keep doing it till there's a lot of Halo 3 discs with banned CD Keys, and stores losing lots of money. >_>.



Well, you couldnt sell the disc, cause if they have CD keys that have even been used, the EB or Gamestop won't buy it, because its like selling a used WoW game. If the CD key has already been used, it cant be used again. The cheater would just not cheat because their risking losing their ability to play halo 3 online and if they got banned they would have to buy another one itself without the ability to sell theirs

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Hmmmm, from reading all your posts, I have figured out that my solution's flaws lie mainly in the selling-reselling aspect. Well first off, people saying that the banned cd will get banned and the cheater will sell it, I have a simple solution to that. Simply test it. Most retailers test the game to see if it works. Well, just have them try to connect to Xbox Live and if there is an error regarding the cd, don't buy it. There you go. Not too hard. I don't see the problem even if they did get to sell it. Your would probably get a little over half of the game's value at a normal game store. You would still have to pay 30-35 dollars for a new cd. That is a lot of money just so you can cheat again.

About the rental thing. You got a point there. I guess that is why you can't rent PC games.

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  • 06.06.2006 1:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: CoachKrzyzewski
if cheating is anywhere near as popular as it was in halo 2 this could kill companies like gamestop that make their money off of used systems/games. No one would buy any xbox 360 stuff used anymore thus knocking out a HUGE part of business for gamestop (they make about 95% of their profit on used stuff... learned it when interviewing for a job there). Take that 95, say by the time halo 3 comes out they're making roughly 15-20% of their total profit from used xbox 360 stuff. that's a LOT of money. banning xboxes would be TERRIBLE. some guy a few posts up had some better ideas.


Gamestop, EB, Gamecrazy all inspect the Xboxes that come in. If the seal is broken on the box, they won't let you sell or trade.


also, all those stores sell factory refurbished boxes. they don't just flip used ones that people turn in off the street.

  • 06.06.2006 1:17 PM PDT
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Actually, why shouldnt you have to use you're code. You just use it the first time you install the game. When you log on to XBL, it registers that code, and the code can never be used again.

  • 06.06.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Donos
uber permanate. I just mistyped it.


whuts tht?

  • 06.06.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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Uber permanate means that its extremely permanate. You couldnt change it.

Uber = very

Permanate = unchangeable

  • 06.06.2006 1:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Donos
Uber permanate means that its extremely permanate. You couldnt change it.

Uber = very

Permanate = unchangeable


loll. i thot permigrates wrer froot.

  • 06.06.2006 1:21 PM PDT

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