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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.


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Posted by: Niko Jims
-Massively multiplayer style, sci-fantasy action shooter series codenamed Destiny with expansion packs codenamed Comet.
-Four games which are targeting for a 2013, 2015, 2017 and 2019 release.
-Four expansion packs which are targeting for a 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020 release.
-There will be other DLC, subscriptions, microtransactions, and value added services.


Look how far Bungie has fallen. So much for not going the CoD way.
Lol. No.

>It's exactly how CoD is developed
>HURR NO IT ISN'T

Good argument. You do know that each CoD game is developed for about 2 years, right? Each game has DLC in between that. CoD now has Elite, which has the option to pay for specific services.

Done being stupid now, or are you actually going to form a logical argument?

[Edited on 05.22.2012 10:10 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2012 10:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Niko Jims
-Massively multiplayer style, sci-fantasy action shooter series codenamed Destiny with expansion packs codenamed Comet.
-Four games which are targeting for a 2013, 2015, 2017 and 2019 release.
-Four expansion packs which are targeting for a 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020 release.
-There will be other DLC, subscriptions, microtransactions, and value added services.


Look how far Bungie has fallen. So much for not going the CoD way.
Lol. No.

>It's exactly how CoD is developed
>HURR NO IT ISN'T

Good argument. You do know that each CoD game is developed for about 2 years, right? Each game has DLC in between that. CoD now has Elite, which has the option to pay for specific services.

Done being stupid now, or are you actually going to form a logical argument?
You don't have to insult people. It doesn't help your argument.

It's also how games like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series are developed. Do you have a problem with them too?
If it's an massive multiplayer style game, it might be the perfect formula.

[Edited on 05.22.2012 10:24 PM PDT]

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Posted by: talon2000
It's also how games like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series are developed.
Woah, hold on... The Elder Scrolls games are not fully developed over just 2 years. For Skyrim specifically, from the time they started coding the game, it took 3 years. That's not including planning the game out. Before that they were working out ideas for it since Oblivion so that would be 5 years. Also, here's my major concern:

How are you going to pump out an MMO every two years? To me, an MMO is supposed to keep you interested for at least twice that amount of time. It seems odd to me that they would do it like this... Maybe the different games will take place in different areas of the universe?

[Edited on 05.22.2012 10:39 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2012 10:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.


Posted by: talon2000
Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Niko Jims
-Massively multiplayer style, sci-fantasy action shooter series codenamed Destiny with expansion packs codenamed Comet.
-Four games which are targeting for a 2013, 2015, 2017 and 2019 release.
-Four expansion packs which are targeting for a 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020 release.
-There will be other DLC, subscriptions, microtransactions, and value added services.


Look how far Bungie has fallen. So much for not going the CoD way.
Lol. No.

>It's exactly how CoD is developed
>HURR NO IT ISN'T

Good argument. You do know that each CoD game is developed for about 2 years, right? Each game has DLC in between that. CoD now has Elite, which has the option to pay for specific services.

Done being stupid now, or are you actually going to form a logical argument?
You don't have to insult people. It doesn't help your argument.

It's also how games like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series are developed. Do you have a problem with them too?
If it's an massive multiplayer style game, it might be the perfect formula.


If anything, he was insulting me by posting some short dumb phrase, but whatever you say.

Umm, what? Fallout 3 and NV are made by two different companies, and Fallout 2 came out in 1998. Oblivion and Skyrim are 5 years apart. And yes, Fallout 3 and Skyrim are -blam!- (NV is good, but that's because Obsidian Entertainment made it), but I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't even know how far apart a series' games are developed but still uses it as an argument to know so.

  • 05.22.2012 10:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: talon2000
It's also how games like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series are developed.
Woah, hold on... The Elder Scrolls games are not fully developed over just 2 years. Also, here's my major concern:

How are you going to pump out an MMO every two years? To me, an MMO is supposed to keep you interested for at least twice that amount of time. It seems odd to me that they would do it like this... Maybe the different games will take place in different areas of the universe?
Sorry, I mean how Elder Scrolls and Fallout distribute major DLC to support their game while they the majority of the team work on the next game.
They haven't said its an MMO, the contract says 'Massive mulitplayer style game'. Could be a single player game with MMO elements. You know what I mean?



Posted by: Niko Jims
Umm, what? Fallout 3 and NV are made by two different companies, and Fallout 2 came out in 1998. Oblivion and Skyrim are 5 years apart. And yes, Fallout 3 and Skyrim are -blam!- (NV is good, but that's because Obsidian Entertainment made it), but I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't even know how far apart a series' games are developed but still uses it as an argument to know so.
How do you know Bungie doesn't have two teams (the size of a small studio) working on the second title right now? Bungie is a big company. They had a team working on ODST while developing Reach and they've grow a lot since 08. If you think Fallout 3 and Skyrim are bad, you have a very high standard and unique taste in games which differs from the majority's.

And from Elder Scrolls IV (2006), Fallout 3 (2008), Fallout New Vegas (2010), Elder Scrolls V (2011). (I know the NV was made by a different studio but see above for my argument against that.)

[Edited on 05.22.2012 10:48 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2012 10:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.

Posted by: Niko Jims
Umm, what? Fallout 3 and NV are made by two different companies, and Fallout 2 came out in 1998. Oblivion and Skyrim are 5 years apart. And yes, Fallout 3 and Skyrim are -blam!- (NV is good, but that's because Obsidian Entertainment made it), but I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't even know how far apart a series' games are developed but still uses it as an argument to know so.[/quote]How do you know Bungie doesn't have two teams (the size of a small studio) working on the second title right now? Bungie is a big company. They had a team working on ODST while developing Reach and they've grow a lot since 08. If you think Fallout 3 and Skyrim are bad, you have a very high standard and unique taste in games which differs from the majority's.



And ODST was a small project.

Think? I know, I played both for countless of hours. Fallout 3 was buggy, lacked quests, and the story line and writing was just plain boring and linear in comparison to NV, which had great writing and a great atmosphere, as well as a -blam!- ton of more quests. Skyrim...if you think Skyrim is good, you know nothing about RPG's. Also, that 'majority' is what we call casuals, aka, people who will buy a game and be interested in it because it's dumbed down for them. Just like Minecraft. Don't tell me you think Minecraft is a good game.

  • 05.22.2012 10:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: Niko Jims
Umm, what? Fallout 3 and NV are made by two different companies, and Fallout 2 came out in 1998. Oblivion and Skyrim are 5 years apart. And yes, Fallout 3 and Skyrim are -blam!- (NV is good, but that's because Obsidian Entertainment made it), but I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't even know how far apart a series' games are developed but still uses it as an argument to know so.[/quote]How do you know Bungie doesn't have two teams (the size of a small studio) working on the second title right now? Bungie is a big company. They had a team working on ODST while developing Reach and they've grow a lot since 08. If you think Fallout 3 and Skyrim are bad, you have a very high standard and unique taste in games which differs from the majority's.


And ODST was a small project.

Think? I know, I played both for countless of hours. Fallout 3 was buggy, lacked quests, and the story line and writing was just plain boring and linear in comparison to NV, which had great writing and a great atmosphere, as well as a -blam!- ton of more quests. Skyrim...if you think Skyrim is good, you know nothing about RPG's. Also, that 'majority' is what we call casuals, aka, people who will buy a game and be interested in it because it's dumbed down for them. Just like Minecraft. Don't tell me you think Minecraft is a good game.
I'm not using this thread to discuss games with you. If you want to do that PM me, more then happy to talk games. All I was saying was Bungie is more then capable (like other studios) to develop quality content every two years. From our understanding they have a team that is well equipped to do it.

  • 05.22.2012 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: talon2000
They haven't said its an MMO, the contract says 'Massive mulitplayer style game'. Could be a single player game with MMO elements. You know what I mean?
Wow... Didn't notice that before. Pretty interesting.

  • 05.22.2012 11:02 PM PDT

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Glad I was wrong about the time frame for the new game. This is exciting, can't wait till Bungie Day.

  • 05.22.2012 11:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.


Posted by: talon2000
I'm not using this thread to discuss games with you. If you want to do that PM me, more then happy to talk games. All I was saying was Bungie is more then capable (like other studios) to develop quality content every two years. From our understanding they have a team that is well equipped to do it.


And I am basically proving to you that they aren't. On top of that, you were the one who brought those games into the discussion, loving the backtracking.

No studio has ever done this correctly because it's borderline impossible. Not even Valve can do it, it took them 3-4 years for Episode 1 and 2, and 1 was short as hell compared to HL2 and Ep2. And you are saying Bungie, who killed their own franchise by introducing CoD like elements into their games, can accomplish this? Btw, Valve has more Employees than Bungie and doesn't run their own franchise's into the dirt.

I think I've said enough, I'll let you Bungiedrones think what you want, but when you guys go through the same thing Biodrones did, I'll be laughing endlessly. Oh, and one last tid bit, Reach has sold about 5 million units to date, and it has been out for almost 2 years. Good luck, Bungie. You'll -blam!- need it.

  • 05.22.2012 11:20 PM PDT

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I am so excited right now, I'm preordering both of them the very day I can!

  • 05.22.2012 11:44 PM PDT

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I don't remember where I heard this, but I think Bungie hinted in creating a new genre in the video game world? Again I could be wrong and I understood it wrong.

  • 05.23.2012 12:24 AM PDT

Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Niko Jims
-Massively multiplayer style, sci-fantasy action shooter series codenamed Destiny with expansion packs codenamed Comet.
-Four games which are targeting for a 2013, 2015, 2017 and 2019 release.
-Four expansion packs which are targeting for a 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020 release.
-There will be other DLC, subscriptions, microtransactions, and value added services.


Look how far Bungie has fallen. So much for not going the CoD way.
Lol. No.

>It's exactly how CoD is developed
>HURR NO IT ISN'T

Good argument.
Except that's not my argument. You're saying that Bungie has fallen simply because they are releasing a game every two years like Call of Duty. Guess what? Plenty of games have two year development cycles. It's not inherrantly a bad thing. What makes Call of Duty's model less than desirable is the low amounts of evolution that goes on in those two years, both from a story and a gameplay standpoint. There's absolutely no information as of yet that indicates how much growth we can expect the Destiny series to see between titles.

Furthermore, if you increase the workforce of your studio by 50%, doesn't that mean you can complete a game that previously took you three years in only two years? Because that's sorta what Bungie is doing right now. Are they going downhill because they want to take advantage of their larger studio size to crank out games more efficiently than they have previously?

Jumping to conclusions like this and making broad statemtents like "Look how Bungie has fallen!" with little to no information only makes you look silly. Turning the conversation into a life or death struggle where you try to discredit your opponent with personal attacks to reinforce your viewpoint makes you look even more silly.
Posted by: Niko Jims
If anything, he was insulting me by posting some short dumb phrase, but whatever you say.
If you would like lengthier responses from me in the future, then you should start by earning my respect.

[Edited on 05.23.2012 12:29 AM PDT]

  • 05.23.2012 12:26 AM PDT

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I'm excited they think/know they can achieve the game every two year benchmark. If they can, more power to them. Comparing them now to the Call of Duty franchise being put out by Treyarch and Infinity Ward/Sledgehammer is silly. Until we see any evidence of anything all speculation is moot.
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Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Niko Jims
-Massively multiplayer style, sci-fantasy action shooter series codenamed Destiny with expansion packs codenamed Comet.
-Four games which are targeting for a 2013, 2015, 2017 and 2019 release.
-Four expansion packs which are targeting for a 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020 release.
-There will be other DLC, subscriptions, microtransactions, and value added services.


Look how far Bungie has fallen. So much for not going the CoD way.
Lol. No.

>It's exactly how CoD is developed
>HURR NO IT ISN'T

Good argument.
Except that's not my argument. You're saying that Bungie has fallen simply because they are releasing a game every two years like Call of Duty. Guess what? Plenty of games have two year development cycles. It's not inherrantly a bad thing. What makes Call of Duty's model less than desirable is the low amounts of evolution that goes on in those two years, both from a story and a gameplay standpoint. There's absolutely no information as of yet that indicates how much growth we can expect the Destiny series to see between titles.

Furthermore, if you increase the workforce of your studio by 50%, doesn't that mean you can complete a game that previously took you three years in only two years? Because that's sorta what Bungie is doing right now. Are they going downhill because they want to take advantage of their larger studio size to crank out games more efficiently than they have previously?

Jumping to conclusions like this and making broad statemtents like "Look how Bungie has fallen!" with little to no information only makes you look silly. Turning the conversation into a life or death struggle where you try to discredit your opponent with personal attacks to reinforce your viewpoint makes you look even more silly.
Posted by: Niko Jims
If anything, he was insulting me by posting some short dumb phrase, but whatever you say.
If you would like lengthier responses from me in the future, then you should start by earning my respect.

  • 05.23.2012 12:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: Niko Jims
I think I've said enough, I'll let you Bungiedrones think what you want, but when you guys go through the same thing Biodrones did, I'll be laughing endlessly. Oh, and one last tid bit, Reach has sold about 5 million units to date, and it has been out for almost 2 years. Good luck, Bungie. You'll -blam!- need it.
Stop with the namecalling or you will be gently excused from this discussion.

Also, you need to check your statistics. You are not only wrong, but you're miles off the correct sales figures for Halo: Reach. If you're going to call other people "stupid" and "drones," you damn well better come correct with your facts.

  • 05.23.2012 2:07 AM PDT

It's interesting how it says PC in the contract... has there been any job listings for PC devs over the past year?


  • 05.23.2012 2:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Niko Jims
Posted by: Niko Jims
Umm, what? Fallout 3 and NV are made by two different companies, and Fallout 2 came out in 1998. Oblivion and Skyrim are 5 years apart. And yes, Fallout 3 and Skyrim are -blam!- (NV is good, but that's because Obsidian Entertainment made it), but I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't even know how far apart a series' games are developed but still uses it as an argument to know so.[/quote]How do you know Bungie doesn't have two teams (the size of a small studio) working on the second title right now? Bungie is a big company. They had a team working on ODST while developing Reach and they've grow a lot since 08. If you think Fallout 3 and Skyrim are bad, you have a very high standard and unique taste in games which differs from the majority's.



And ODST was a small project.

Think? I know, I played both for countless of hours. Fallout 3 was buggy, lacked quests, and the story line and writing was just plain boring and linear in comparison to NV, which had great writing and a great atmosphere, as well as a -blam!- ton of more quests. Skyrim...if you think Skyrim is good, you know nothing about RPG's. Also, that 'majority' is what we call casuals, aka, people who will buy a game and be interested in it because it's dumbed down for them. Just like Minecraft. Don't tell me you think Minecraft is a good game.
Let me try and get a handle on your argument here. *Ahem*

You believe that because you can poke holes in the logic of people who like popular games, those games are bad. And, that because you can point out reasons that you, personally dislike these widely renowned games which have been praised by the masses from the "hardcore" to "casual" gamers alike automatically points to and solidifies the fact that these games are inherently bad and anyone who disagrees with you is inherently wrong.

Hmm... that's an interesting theory that you've got going there. It's too bad it's wrong.

Opinions are opinions. Facts are facts. These are things that you probably should've learned in the 3rd grade, but apparently didn't. So I'll teach you. Whens someone offers an opinion like, "Skyrim was a good game" (not that anyone even directly did) and then you come back with "I dislike Skyrim because x, y, and z", your side of the argument does not win. You are not crowned the victor because your opinion is greater than his, because it's not.

The fact of the matter is each company works differently with different time constraints, under different conditions, and handle these pressures in different ways. You have no idea how Bungie will or can work under a 2 year production cycle just as you don't know how Infinity Ward works on a 5 to 6 year production cycle. Feel free to -blam!- and moan after the first Destiny game comes out and you can point to reasons (however tedious) why you dislike this game.

Otherwise, please ponder the difference between fact and opinion whilst the rest of us discuss the contract for and idea of these games.

  • 05.23.2012 3:20 AM PDT
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I have been thinking; isn't Blizzard working on a new-gen massively-multiplayer game? I wonder how it will turn out since Activision-Blizzard will be the publisher of at least three big MMO games and one of the most popular action games.

  • 05.23.2012 5:29 AM PDT

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Personally I don't want them to make another Marathon game, the original games were great for their time and were executed extremely well.

I'd love to play another space/sci fi horror shooter, but its always risky to tread on preexisting franchises, and nobody likes sequels that are ultimately completely different games (see the red faction series).

Additionally I think that they'll do extremely well with these projects, not just financially but in a way that delivers innovation and unique expression that the industry has never seen. Have to remember the fact that Bungie remains an independent company while developing under this contract, which means no unwanted oversight, they will not have Activision drones ruining their studio culture (and likewise their games), which has been witnessed in plenty of studios such as infinity ward, or even EA developers.

During the microsoft days, Bungie has proven that they have the drive and creative vision to deliver innovative games while at the same time surviving corporate pressures.

Im not scared for them, quite excited actually.

  • 05.23.2012 6:03 AM PDT

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To sum up what I felt when I read this, I shall quote Cortana.

"Knowledge...so much...so fast. It's glorious!"

  • 05.23.2012 6:38 AM PDT

Im so ready for Bungie's next game!

  • 05.23.2012 6:46 AM PDT

You are all constructs of my solipsist mind.

This makes me so happy I could cry!

Oh, and to the argument going on above me...

Destiny's been in production since Halo 3. They obviously are already working on the universe and have probably written Destiny 2 already, and in all likelihood they have begun coding Destiny 2.

  • 05.23.2012 6:55 AM PDT

The Song Of Nephilim

Xenoblade <3

The genre is enough to make me excited.

  • 05.23.2012 7:04 AM PDT

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

So I will be 31 years old when the final expansion comes out... what the -blam!-?

  • 05.23.2012 7:47 AM PDT


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Posted by: Niko Jims
I think I've said enough, I'll let you Bungiedrones think what you want, but when you guys go through the same thing Biodrones did, I'll be laughing endlessly. Oh, and one last tid bit, Reach has sold about 5 million units to date, and it has been out for almost 2 years. Good luck, Bungie. You'll -blam!- need it.
Stop with the namecalling or you will be gently excused from this discussion.

Also, you need to check your statistics. You are not only wrong, but you're miles off the correct sales figures for Halo: Reach. If you're going to call other people "stupid" and "drones," you damn well better come correct with your facts.

Yep, it is more around 9 million and I am pretty sure those sales don't count the digital downloads from xbl. Plus, bungie's next game will be multiplatform (eventually, according to the contract but I have a feeling a lot has changed since then regarding how well they can make it work on the pc and ps3).

  • 05.23.2012 7:54 AM PDT