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Subject: Bungie is digging their own grave

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Have some faith man.
Yeah, maybe our faith will help them somehow.

  • 05.22.2012 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Switchfoot4
A lot can change in two years. There might be a whole dedicated team working of 50% of the people at Bungie working on the Marathon title now, or there may like 5 people working on it. Who knows what Bungie's primary project is.


Do you not know what a legal binding contract is?
Yup, I do. I also know that companies can create new legal binding contracts changing specifics within a 2 year time period. For example, they could make one changing the maximum amount of people that can work on the Marathon game.

  • 05.22.2012 2:36 PM PDT
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Talk about jumping the gun.

  • 05.22.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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I'm not so sure that will happen. Bungie has the skill set to make a very good game, plus teaming up with a good company, what can go wrong?

  • 05.22.2012 4:47 PM PDT

Tell you the truth, Bungie has my trust (feels quite nerdy typing that, but it's true). I truly believe that whatever they do will turn out brilliant. I've wanted an MMO from them anyways. Best of luck Bungie.

  • 05.22.2012 4:50 PM PDT

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We'll see. As we wait and watch, is anyone up for a game?

  • 05.22.2012 4:55 PM PDT

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Seems like everyone is overdoing it by calling it an mmo because of some other stuff we've heard.
Posted by: Screamo Luvr
Machinima just got through saying that they are releasing 4 new games over an 8 year cycle with 4 dlc packs every other year....
Where are you getting MMO?

  • 05.22.2012 4:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: xReconAssassinX
That's what I'm saying, dude; It's not like Bungie to have 2 year development cycles.

I know, it's totally the end of the world that Bungie is now bigger and can have faster game turnaround. I blame Activision, personally.

Way to oversimplify and exaggerate the subject. Who said the world was ending?

I don't care how big their team is, there's teams out there way bigger than Bungie that develops horrendous games. The size of your company is no exception; a team of 50 people that focus on their project with heart can produce a better game than a team of 300 trying to rush.

You are right though. I blame Activision, personally.

  • 05.22.2012 5:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
** Aren't you supposed to be ON vacation?
Posted by: Duardo
I was, but your mom left early so I had to cut the trip short.

It states in the contract that they can only have 5% of their team working on marathon. You make it sound like it's a make or break opportunity for them.
SWTOR is from a completely different developer and publisher. You've seen nothing from their new game that could even hint at failure and treat Bungie as if they are some amateur developer trying to break into the industry. After what they endured with Microsoft I'm positive Bungie is prepared for anything in terms of legally binding contracts.

  • 05.22.2012 5:36 PM PDT


Posted by: wcd45
Talk about jumping the gun.

For real...

  • 05.22.2012 5:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Have some faith man.

Said the fans of Guitar Hero

  • 05.22.2012 5:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.


Posted by: dibbs089
Bioware is a fantastic developer. Even if what you're saying is true I don't see how it's a bad thing.


Please be kidding.


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Posted by: Assault

Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Have some faith man.

Said the fans of Guitar Hero


You know who also said that?

Biodrones, Mass Effect fanboys, SWTOR players.

What this Bungie leak and Bioware share in common:
-Space marheens
-MMO
-DLC everywhere
-working for a greedy company that runs everything into the ground

Enjoy your death by 2020, Bungie. Hope it was worth the money. Don't worry, I'll remember you by your -blam!- games, and not the 2 or 3 you actually did okay on.

[Edited on 05.22.2012 9:46 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2012 9:42 PM PDT

READ IT.

I won the Star. With this on Week 18.

Who said they were making an MMO?

  • 05.22.2012 10:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.

Well, MMO's are pretty much anything online. I consider Halo an MMO because Xbox Live and Matchmaking.

MMO = Massively Multiplayer Online. It doesn't state if it's an FPS or RPG or any other game genre. MMO is pretty much a subgenre of a game.

  • 05.22.2012 10:20 PM PDT

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Achronos: And what's this about a "design team" I've been hearing? Apparently stosh is so awesome he's now considered a "team".

I don't understand why everyone is saying have some faith. Sure we need to wait before we do any judging, however it is threads like this that are more helpful to them. If there is no feed back how are the developers going to know that the direction they are going in is a good direction. We can't all just stand by and have faith in their judgement of what the gaming community will like. We need to be outspoken about our opinions.

Personally I am hoping it is not an MMO but an RPG/FPS with large scale multiplayer. I do not want to pay a subscription fee unless it is for something like Bungie Pro.

[Edited on 05.22.2012 10:29 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2012 10:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: xReconAssassinX
Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: xReconAssassinX
That's what I'm saying, dude; It's not like Bungie to have 2 year development cycles.

I know, it's totally the end of the world that Bungie is now bigger and can have faster game turnaround. I blame Activision, personally.

Way to oversimplify and exaggerate the subject. Who said the world was ending?

My oversimplification and exaggeration wasn't just based on your comment - it's just that I've been hearing it a lot and it makes no sense to me.

I don't care how big their team is, there's teams out there way bigger than Bungie that develops horrendous games. The size of your company is no exception; a team of 50 people that focus on their project with heart can produce a better game than a team of 300 trying to rush.
What about a team of 50 people that focus on their project with heart versus a team of 300 people that focus on their project with heart? Don't you think that the team of 300 people will get finished much faster in that case? Ceteris paribus, a larger team will be able to accommodate quicker release times than a smaller one.

The teams way bigger than Bungie that you mention are not Bungie. The contract did not stipulate that Bungie cannot put heart and dedication into their games. Frankly, the massive increase in company size wouldn't make any sense if they couldn't push games out any faster than before. Especially with so much prep work having gone into this. Yes, there are a few more factors, but Bungie has grown by much more than a few people, and without Halo around their focus is much more narrow than before.

Frankly, that's why I don't get the idea. It seems like a huge oversight to say that decreased dev cycles would give Bungie a need to rush. It would make sense if they stayed the same size, but they didn't. There is a strong negative correlation between the amount of time required to complete a project and the amount of resources you have to throw at it.

I'm not a big fan of Activision, but any extra hate toward them from this contract is ridiculous. It's all standard business. I'm sure Bungie wanted expedited release dates as much as their publisher did given their expansion (and track history with their last two or three games).

  • 05.22.2012 10:52 PM PDT

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No real sense in arguing over it, it's going to happen. Might as well just let things play out. The only thing which has me concerned is something I read about it being developed with a teen rating in mind. I feel like that might limit things.

  • 05.22.2012 10:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dr Syx
Posted by: L00
I think the next thing Bungie should release is a Bungie-rumor-specific version of the good ol' Jump to Conclusions Mat.
There's no jumping to conclusions with this. We got a fully detailed 10 year plan from Activision/Bungie in the form of a legally binding contract. There's no "jumping to conclusions" with that. At this point you're just blindly denying it.
Your name is Dr Syx, so I'll go with syx conclusions that the OP seems to have made:

1. Concluding that the game is an MMO.
2. Concluding that Bungie has the same kind of business relationship with Activision as Bioware.
3. Concluding that this contract with Activision is a bad thing for Bungie.
4. Concluding that Bungie making another Marathon is them "beating a dead horse" against their will.
5. Concluding that such an MMO, if it even is one, will work out like SWTOR.
6. Concluding that if the whole deal does go bad, Bungie can't recover from it ("digging their own grave") and move on.

I don't think any of those are solid enough to count on. They're all possible, yes, but they all still require a bit of a jump.

  • 05.23.2012 4:11 AM PDT

thanks L00.

IMHO Bungie is digging a grave, but it is not their own, it's for the impending purge of other game software devs. Think John Romero's Daikatana ;)

  • 05.23.2012 5:09 AM PDT

I cap fools.

Didn't they come out and say this game would 't be an MMO?

  • 05.23.2012 8:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Niko Jims


You know who also said that?

Biodrones, Mass Effect fanboys, SWTOR players.

What this Bungie leak and Bioware share in common:
-Space marheens
-MMO
-DLC everywhere
-working for a greedy company that runs everything into the ground

Enjoy your death by 2020, Bungie. Hope it was worth the money. Don't worry, I'll remember you by your -blam!- games, and not the 2 or 3 you actually did okay on.


Time of the month?

[Edited on 05.23.2012 8:48 AM PDT]

  • 05.23.2012 8:48 AM PDT
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I'd be willing to rent it...but after reach, I'm leary....

  • 05.23.2012 9:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Switchfoot4
I imagine a great majority of the current generations of gamers
have still yet to play any of the Marathons.


I don't even know what it is.

  • 05.23.2012 1:12 PM PDT
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I understand nothing because my life is a conspiracy.

It's been over 10 years since they made a Marathon game and 5% of the staff is making it. How is that beating a dead horse?

  • 05.23.2012 1:46 PM PDT