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Subject: People seem to forget the point of The 7th Column
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To be honest, I think it's down to a lack of things to do. Idiots are always going to be idiots, whether if you ram logic down their throats or not. The Column hasn't been really worth visiting for a while, although indeed that's as much the fault of the people as anything else.

  • 06.07.2006 11:24 AM PDT
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Good post dude, like it.

  • 06.07.2006 11:43 AM PDT
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original halo players understand the point of the 7th column...

  • 06.07.2006 12:07 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

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original halo players understand the point of the 7th column...


What do you consider an original Halo player?

  • 06.07.2006 12:18 PM PDT
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I think Bungie.net needs a total overhaul:
* Revise the forum rules
* Tighter moderating (maybe new mods?)
* A new hawtness
* Updates so that all the forums are used, not just the four or so that are in main use. (news, gallery, and halo (pc/xbox) are in the dust.)
* New features (the long awaited search fuction), Other features (pictures, spell check?)

And most importantly, more of a proavtive feedback system:
* Accept user submitted avatars
* Accept user submitted themes

The sense of community is all but gone in The 7th Column. We need more community contests (which actual rewards) We need more of a community sense. Now we're all but sitting around, waiting for the next Halo 3 update. I guess what I'm trying to say is be more 'communtiy friendly'.

[Edited on 6/7/2006]

  • 06.07.2006 12:31 PM PDT
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I understand what you mean DMBfan, but i do not think people will listen unless something is done.One possible choice is to have the group options taken away from people who think this a war zone for groups when this for fans of Bungie not a myspace place where you can wage a war againist another and expect no consequnce(myspace also does).Also the groupsare supposed to bungie based too(in the terms and conditions of making a group it says should be related to bungie or its games but if you type something unrelated to bungie it will have ar least three groups in the search query.So I think that Fans don't understand why they are here(To worship Bungie and its empire)

  • 06.07.2006 12:39 PM PDT

I think alot of the problems on b.net are caused by new members. I'm all for new people joining in the fun of b.net and I think that the vast majority of new members are doing nothing more than trying to contribute ideas and thoughts. The problems start to arise though when those thoughts are the same as many others. Unfortunatly that causes other new members to either play forum cop and hammer the poster for making a geniune mistake. There is of course a few on here who's sole aim is to flame and belittle others and unfortunatly the always seem to be able to rise the ire of other members and so begins the flame wars. At this point I have to say that I think the moderators do an effective job in keeping most of the trolls at bay and theres no way I would want their (largely unthanked) job.

I guess that eventually the people on here whos main aim is to annoy others and cause dramas will eventually get bored and slowly leave to forums, I can only assume thats what happened after halo 2 was out there a while. I still feel like a new member even though i've been around since mid 2005 so im sure some of you wizend vetrans of bungie.net can see more of a pattern than me.

  • 06.07.2006 1:05 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Nah I have been here for a bit longer and I think the good Ol days are even further back then that. I still feel like a noob here most of the time.

  • 06.07.2006 1:11 PM PDT

Awesome post!

  • 06.07.2006 2:18 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

People tend to treat it as a place to rant about things like the PM glitch, or asking for a search feature.

It sucks to see the 7th Column treated as a sort of "Technical Support" forum.

  • 06.07.2006 3:56 PM PDT

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I completely agree with dmb and stosh. The column has gone downhill since I first joined, and it's a shame. Of course, this is to be expected when so many more people are joining each and every day, but it shouldn't have to be this way. If you ask me, the ninjas ought to have some power outside the main forums. This doesn't necessarily mean that they'd have to go around policing all the groups, but then at least if bad stuff is spotted they can put an end to it right away.

It's still a good place, though, the column. It's the best designed community website I've ever seen.

  • 06.07.2006 4:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: sarge117
I completely agree with dmb and stosh. The column has gone downhill since I first joined, and it's a shame. Of course, this is to be expected when so many more people are joining each and every day, but it shouldn't have to be this way. If you ask me, the ninjas ought to have some power outside the main forums. This doesn't necessarily mean that they'd have to go around policing all the groups, but then at least if bad stuff is spotted they can put an end to it right away.

It's still a good place, though, the column. It's the best designed community website I've ever seen.


No, the group moderators can deal wiht any inter-group problems. Achronos won't help unless a group is breaching the ToU or the CoC by say... making a "Hate (group) here" kind of group. Then he'll just delete that group.

  • 06.07.2006 4:47 PM PDT
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Only the paranoid will survive!

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Posted by: Great_Pretender
Then again, the internet wasn't made to -blam!- up other people's computers through virus transfer, but it happens. Just as phones were made for communication with people far away, and not for marketing stupid products.

It happens.
-TGP-
Virus protection programs and "do not call" lists pretty much fix those.

So it can be fixed.


But occasionally it gets too bad and you need to just sit down and reformat your hard-drive, right? I'm not sure what I'm implying here, but I think that the slate needs to be wiped clean somehow. Or that there needs to be some heavy-duty rule enforcement going on. Not that the mods are doing a bad job; far from it. I'm just saying that the mods need to go from strict to, well, even more strict. I'm not sure, but TGP used the computer analogy. Let him figure it out =P

  • 06.07.2006 7:45 PM PDT
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The mods can't do everything. Members need to take up some responsibility as well.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, or how it's even relevant to anything, but I'm sure there's some truth to what I said.

  • 06.07.2006 7:49 PM PDT

To Make Posts is Glorious

Some threads will get posts before others and it is the duty of the Leadership to ensure that posts are made that best suit the public welfare.

"heh"

Exactly. I'm pretty annoyed at how seriously people take forums/groups. Some Invisionfree forums that I go to get hacked/cracked because of petty fights on the internet. People really need to get their priorities straight.

  • 06.07.2006 9:10 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

I think there is definetly a lack of involvement in the Colum now days...

While I wasn't there to eperience it myself, from what I've seen and heard of the old Column, it looked pretty tight knit.

Plus the custom themes rocked.

[Edited on 6/7/2006]

  • 06.07.2006 11:09 PM PDT
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My point was that things will always be abused, and not used for the purpose they are made for. As the internet is not made for viruses, thus is the 7th column not made for petty arguments.

-TGP-

  • 06.08.2006 12:56 AM PDT
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What the -blam!- what the -blam!- omfg what the -blam!-

  • 06.08.2006 1:40 AM PDT

DID YOU KNOW:

-The world has ended, you're just suffering lag

I know this is going to be controversial, but i am fully prepared to see the decline of the septagon. i see it as "taking a hit for the team" on behalf of the real seventh column. I like to think that the reason for it is as a guiding point for those who really do want to find out about the bungie emipire, and it's glorious history.

It is inevitable when a cult game is released, that is going to create fanboys. and these fanboys fall into one of two categories, typified by the social stereotype of "nerd" or "jerk". The septagon is a first point of contact for them and they can either become settled, making few enemies, or will behave like jerks, getting themselves banned.

The real seventh column is much deeper, hidden amongst the pages of ancient bungie lore, and conspiracy theories. The septagon is just the controlled entrance. It was a gift to the community. A way of saying "you guys are great, lets create a place where you can hang out, and find out about the developers of your favouritest game"

This opinion has been shaped and formed by my time here. I haven't been a b.net member that long, and do not consider myself in anyway informed about the mysteroius workings of bungie, but i have been here long enough to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. I have played H:CE and H2. I have played MYTH, MYTH 2, oni, and i'm trying to find gnop!. I played marathon, and scavenged an old mac to play it on, to get the whole sensation out it. I played the aleph one version on my laptop, to campare the games, and i think the bungie original was better. i have convinced my friends to download M1A1, and some have moved onto marathon:durandal. I have seen just a small fraction of the member owned/maintained sites out there, and i have to say that is what it is about. I can safely say that come 07/07/07 [what i believe will be bungie's day of tru7h], my enemies WILL be fired into the sun by a giant catapult, and I will go to my local bungie chinese, and order a tijuana mama, looking forward to the good times ahead...

The Seventh column lives people, in your head and mine, and the septagon is a different entity, here to guide those that seek the tru7h... think about it, the new members will soon learn, or be banned.

EDIT- i apologise for the length of this post.. i rambled a bit

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  • 06.08.2006 2:40 AM PDT
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Only the paranoid will survive!

I agree. The Septagon is beginning to become so superficial. You look at threads and they have no emotion behind them. It's the same things repeated with different wording. We need more people who care enough to try and change this place. Fans that want to try and change it. I used to want to, but I think I've given up =[

EDIT: And never apologize for length. It just means that you put more effort into it =]

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  • 06.08.2006 4:10 AM PDT

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Yeah people seem to forget that the world isn't there to serve them Just like they forget that HAL0 2 and other great bungie games is about fun. So they resort to cheating, and other stuff just to win.

  • 06.08.2006 4:47 AM PDT

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AND now your Mother. :)


Don't talk about my girl like that. ;)

I don't think we need revision of the forum rules.

  • 06.08.2006 5:25 AM PDT

DID YOU KNOW:

-The world has ended, you're just suffering lag

Marinealver, Since when has it been about cheating??? the column isn't competitive, at least not amongst it's members, i suppose it could be considered highly competitive with the governments of the world, but i'm side-lining.the cheating is something inherent outside the column, something that occurs on live, and something bungie fight against every day.

The column's problem is the attitude of it's members. Many of the newer members aren't prepared to read the rules, or treat the forum with the respect it deserves, and many of the older member's aren't prepared to teach them, not having the patience to tell someone to read the rules, or fearing being tarred with the "forum cop" brush. This is why we have mods admitttedly, but for the thousands of members that joined after the H3 announcement, it wasn't sufficient.

Posted by: Psyched
To be honest, i think it's down to a lack of things to do. The Column hasn't been really worth visiting for a while, although indeed that's as much the fault of the people as anything else.


This sums everything up, the people are at fault, we can't be bothered, and the person saying it has become a theme master, so they are more bothered than most.

Personally what we really need is to treat the septagon differently. We can't call it the community because it's maintained by the bungie web development department, and it's only their job to provide a forum for us. As septagonians, it is our duty to provide the things to do, and dispense our knowledge of bungie lore. In fact, we could make our own sites, but we don't. I would like to, but have neither the technical expertise, nor the time, as i am currently studying for my A-levels [in between games of halo].

Dragoneyes' site is a good example of this, because as far as i'm concerned, that too is a part of the seventh column, maintained by and dedicated to a popular member of the forums.

EDIT- infact, if anyone wants to start one, i'll be glad to link it not only in my sig, but on my msn space too

[Edited on 6/8/2006]

  • 06.08.2006 5:33 AM PDT

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Bungie said that they would like to see the 7th Column in control of the fans, but without the right tools, what can we do? We have organized contests, written spotlights, but it feels more like a bunch of stuff spread across the board, rather than an actual "fan club".
What disappoints me is when the fans, in an attempt to bring the community closer, do create contests or spotlights and are criticized by the other members. How ungrateful must fans be to ridicule the prize offered in a contest run by other fans, to demand that their group should have been reviewed over another, or claim that unofficial contests are "elaborate group recruiting schemes"? That to me is truly baffling.

I come here to fill my head with Bungie lore and be a Bungie fan but I don't know; it often feels like so many are trying to stand out as individuals around here rather than be a part of a collective mass that enjoys what Bungie does.

  • 06.08.2006 9:04 AM PDT

Posted by: Senor Leche
I come here to fill my head with Bungie lore and be a Bungie fan but I don't know; it often feels like so many are trying to stand out as individuals around here rather than be a part of a collective mass that enjoys what Bungie does.
Perfect point. Thank you!

  • 06.08.2006 9:12 AM PDT

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