Halo 3 Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: Will Bungie make Halo 3 to surpass all that is Metal Gear Solid 4?
  • Subject: Will Bungie make Halo 3 to surpass all that is Metal Gear Solid 4?
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2
Subject: Will Bungie make Halo 3 to surpass all that is Metal Gear Solid 4?
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I have to say the character animation of MGS4 does look impressive - however as Kojami pointed out MGS4 can easily run on the Xbox 360.

The question is will Bungie be able to push the rendering and animation tools they have and their own time since they started on Halo 3 soon after Halo 2 to make Halo 3 look visually (and play of course) better than anything? Say like MGS4? And even Gears Of War?

The Halo 3 trailer did look impressive however looking at the scenery and rocks, dirt, broken buildings I think they could still look better perhaps?

MasterChief looks superb - however has gone from mean green to more golden green which I am cool with but with the power of the Xbox 360 has Bungie had enough time to fully utilise its capabilites?

The sad thing its most likely give it another couple of years Halo 3 will be surpassed visually no doubt so its such a shame developers dont have tools of tomorrow today to make Halo 3 fully utilise the 360's capabilities.

  • 06.07.2006 5:10 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

When you think about it, if a game stays on top of its competitors for a couple years visually it must be pretty good.

  • 06.07.2006 5:13 AM PDT

…..........|;;;;;;;;~*””””””””””””””*\„;;;;”|………….„‹”…….„/”…
…....…...”–„;;”…………………..);;|………..„/“…….‹;_…
….….……..}……………………‚{;;}……...„/’„~~„”””*…/”…
……….……|……………………[~‹„„…„–”*¯...„-„¯…/„……
..„~*~--„_.{”\„_„/”¯¯¯¯”\--~**”¯ ; ;..\(„„)/”¯”-„_~~-¯”~/~-²…
„-”¯……....\.|.¯”*~„___„„~”¯;;_„„-~}./”……. ¯*~„~-„.”\‚……
„……¯”-„....”¯\„;;:‚|…::;;|‚::”-„{_„-~‚/ ”………„-~/;;~-„.”\‚…

Dude, this is BUNGIE. Does it even need to be asked?

  • 06.07.2006 5:14 AM PDT
  • gamertag: Cas7er
  • user homepage:

The full power of any machine comes with expirance, the later games may surpass Halo 3 strictly because of the tweaks and tricks discovered as the console becomes older...Halo 3 appears incredibly "purdy" now, but you're right, it may become "low grade" as more games come out, and time marches on. It looked a lot sexier than Oblivion though, but I can't quite justify it as I am not sure how big the actual maps are. (If each of them were the size of the Trailer Map, then it certainly could be far better.

  • 06.07.2006 5:17 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

But High Truth, you look at the ps2 console and the graphics for Madden didnt really improve over the lifespan of the machine...

  • 06.07.2006 5:20 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I guess so, since I bought Halo 1 again for the 360 visually, gameplay its still stunning!

Halo 2 on the hand on the 360 looks great but poor when I play it in HD.

But the question is since Bungie started work on Halo 3 after Halo 2 was done what when did they start on the actual graphical side of the game? Did they recieve early dev kits in secret and knew what the Xbox 360 will be in terms of hardware?

Since you only have 9gb of space on a 360 disc and I know after speaking to Bizarre Creations that there are other ways of getting great looking visuals without using tons of polygons so for space wise the only thing that will be taking up disc space is the actual content. So will Bungie be able to cram stunning visuals and lengthy 'Single' player onto the disc?

Hopefully they can but it would be nice to see how the game will be looking say in Jan next year or do you think that Halo 3 will be out in Nov 2007 so that means the next time we will see Halo 3 is the next E3?

  • 06.07.2006 5:20 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I hate MGS games they completely unrealistic. I know halo 3 is a fantasy but its so much more realistic in a way.

MGS first game was good. Then the 2nd and 3rd were horrible. I hate all that supernatural stuff and things.

  • 06.07.2006 5:42 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Have you actualy seen the trailer for mgs4?? Some of the textures arent even that good infact if you ask me i think is just a facelifted mgs2. Mgs4 comes out with the launch of the ps3 which is this year, bungie want ship halo 3 till fall of 07, they have got plenty of time to polish it so it looks visualy amazing. As for storage yes bungie have there work cut out for them but im 100% they can pull it off. No one would have problems with storage if microsoft had of put a hd dvd drive in it instead of rushing to get 1st onto the market

  • 06.07.2006 5:44 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Just to advise that MGS4 isnt a release title for the PS3...

We will see how Bungie make Halo 3 visually and gameplay wise, it would be a shame if Halo 3 only lasts 15hrs on single player. I really want Halo 3 to look amazing and play for at least 25hrs on single player.

  • 06.07.2006 5:47 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Super, how important are graphics to you when judging a game?

  • 06.07.2006 5:51 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: SuperSaiyan4
Just to advise that MGS4 isnt a release title for the PS3...

We will see how Bungie make Halo 3 visually and gameplay wise, it would be a shame if Halo 3 only lasts 15hrs on single player. I really want Halo 3 to look amazing and play for at least 25hrs on single player.

Wow sony suck they said it would be ready for release when the ps3 ships

  • 06.07.2006 5:54 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I agree that the rocks and desert setting could look, considering todays absurd standards, a bit better. MGS4 looks fantastic, but the way that trailer is "filmed" helps alot, you're really sucked into the experience and the visuals look stunning. The sheer scale displayed in the Halo trailer is mind boggeling and is rightly so accentuated in trialer.

But both games are still in development and a lot of stuff is going to change visually probably.

  • 06.07.2006 6:12 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

The question you need to be asking yourselves is when the day came that good graphics = good game?

This day hasn't come, and it never will.

gameplay, control and camera make a game. Not how pretty it is. In my opinion, if a game fits it's graphic style then it's great. Halo 1 feels tough, metallic and solid. Halo 2 loses a bit of the Halo feeling due to it's slippery and shiny textures, glossy terrain and plastic look.
It's like the difference between the Hummer and H2.

The graphic style in Halo 1 is all you'll ever need, no useless filler or elaborate shadows to slow the game down, just meat and potatoes. Basic colored geometry which is still astonishingly detailed, especially for it's day. On a competitive level, there is so little wrong with halo 1 that a sequel is unecessary. And that's why I'm not getting to worked up over all this, fact is Halo 1 is still the best game around, and will be for years. I hope you all realize that it owes very very little of that longevity and quality to it's graphics.

  • 06.07.2006 6:13 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3

DUDE have you watch the documentary they already said the games as good or better then the trailer....

  • 06.07.2006 6:15 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Stop kidding yourselves we all know graphics are getting better and the standards are getting greater - I bet 90% of gamers would be pretty cheesed off if HALO 3 looked the same as HALO: CE, of course gameplay is important however why have a next gen console the visuals are going to look pants??

We now expect graphics to be great - the technology developers have in terms of tools for rendering visuals is outstanding, look at the Unreal 3 engine for example, or a game like Oblivion.

Halo 3 will of course look amazing but I am hoping for spectacular BUT I still expect the single player game to be spectacular as well.

  • 06.07.2006 7:59 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

ah mgs4 who cares i think if they release another game on mgs maybe 5 or 6 snake would have to wear a breathing tube and a wheel chair on his ass just to be able to get across a open field to reach the next area plus he would most likely need some to push him while he's at it..lol

  • 06.07.2006 8:11 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Hopefully those games will not have to compete. Sure, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will first be released for the testicle crushingly expensive PS3, but a year or so later there is sure to be a rerelese called Metal Gear Solid 4: Transubstantiation (or whatever). That game could be released for the PS3 and XBOX360 just like MGS2: Substance came out for the PS2 and XBOX. I should go outside.

  • 06.07.2006 8:16 AM PDT

Bungie already stated that the graphics won't be much better than Halo 2.

  • 06.07.2006 8:17 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

bungie can take whatever mgs4 chucks at them. i will tell you right now halo 3 is gonna kick butt =p

  • 06.07.2006 8:18 AM PDT

"I'm hungry..."

When did they say that, Krimson Relik? I have to strongly disagree; I think the graphics already kick the living crap out of Halo 2's. HDR lighting. Self shadowing. Etc....

And remember folks
We have seen NOTHING yet. No gunfire, no grenades, no enemies ('sides the banshees, maybe), one weapon, very little effects, no human faces or clothes, few character animations... nothing. We've seen Master Chief (looking gorgeous, I might add) walking slowly out in a desert, of all places. (note: I'll bet if it was a lush forested environ, you all would giggle like school girls at the "realism":P ) We see some covenant ships fly in. We see the supposed "ark" open up an fire. Thats it.

I'd also like to add that, while I think it does, I wasn't even expecting them to make it look much better than Halo 2. Know why? Because Halo 2 was gorgeous and still is. Think about it. Take Halo 2, add some better effects like HDR and stuff, make everything higher resolution, and fix all the popup bugs and stuff. Halo 2 could have looked almost this good if the original xbox hadn't held them back.

  • 06.07.2006 8:33 AM PDT

Of course it will. I can't believe tat you numbnuts have such a lack of confidence in halo 3. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

  • 06.07.2006 8:52 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Wasnt it already said Halo 3 is using a new engine? Not the Halo 2 engine?

Anyhow Bungie need to impress and make sure its what Halo 1 was like, the music the look and feel aaaahhh the memories :-D haha

Anyhow hopefully Bungie lock onto those 3 Cores in the CPU and utilise the GPU to its full capabilities and give us HALO 3 running on the 3 cores get it? :-D

  • 06.07.2006 8:59 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Gameplay > Graphics

  • 06.07.2006 9:05 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: P3CK
The question you need to be asking yourselves is when the day came that good graphics = good game?

This day hasn't come, and it never will.

gameplay, control and camera make a game. Not how pretty it is. In my opinion, if a game fits it's graphic style then it's great. Halo 1 feels tough, metallic and solid. Halo 2 loses a bit of the Halo feeling due to it's slippery and shiny textures, glossy terrain and plastic look.
It's like the difference between the Hummer and H2.

The graphic style in Halo 1 is all you'll ever need, no useless filler or elaborate shadows to slow the game down, just meat and potatoes. Basic colored geometry which is still astonishingly detailed, especially for it's day. On a competitive level, there is so little wrong with halo 1 that a sequel is unecessary. And that's why I'm not getting to worked up over all this, fact is Halo 1 is still the best game around, and will be for years. I hope you all realize that it owes very very little of that longevity and quality to it's graphics.



Couldn't have put it better myself. I wholeheartedly agree.

  • 06.07.2006 9:08 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

OK lets get this straight:
Halo series>>>>>>>>>>>>MGS series.
Bungie>>>>>>>>>>>>Every other game dev.
Also hahaha... you fell for Sony hype!
Knowing Sony's reputation.
PS1 = Toystory graphics? NO.
PS2 = Emotion engine? NO
Also most of Sony's PS3 videos are just that
videos. *cough*...Killzone 2*cough!*
MGS4 is most likly CGI like the other 80% of Sony videos.

  • 06.07.2006 9:51 AM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2