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Subject: Should there be a "like" feature on these forums?


Posted by: AcedannyK 7
Posted by: ARBITOR 5
If people want to give an opinion they will, if they don't they don't.
If people do not want to give an opinion, it's difficult to see why they want to roam an internet forum. Forgive me if I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective but a forum is where people come together to discuss and debate (just like we are doing now).
So then why do people make pyramid triangles with the same word quoted again and again? A like button would clear up so much of the crap out of a thread so that you could actually see someones well thought out reply.

  • 05.26.2012 6:20 AM PDT

Posted by: ARBITOR 5
So then why do people make pyramid triangles with the same word quoted again and again? A like button would clear up so much of the crap out of a thread so that you could actually see someones well thought out reply.
That's a fair point and quote pyramids are irritating, but I think the negative side-effects from introducing a "like" feature drastically outweigh the counter-effects it has towards quote pyramids. Translating what a little "like" button represents is:

"I agree with this but can't be bothered to write a reply in my own words."

Even someone taking the time to genuinely post a response, quoting someone's post and saying something like "Couldn't have said it better myself" is in the least a little more sincere.

  • 05.26.2012 6:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: AcedannyK 7
Posted by: ARBITOR 5
So then why do people make pyramid triangles with the same word quoted again and again? A like button would clear up so much of the crap out of a thread so that you could actually see someones well thought out reply.
That's a fair point and quote pyramids are irritating, but I think the negative side-effects from introducing a "like" feature drastically outweigh the counter-effects it has towards quote pyramids. Translating what a little "like" button represents is:

"I agree with this but can't be bothered to write a reply in my own words."

Even someone taking the time to genuinely post a response, quoting someone's post and saying something like "Couldn't have said it better myself" is in the least a little more sincere.
But at the same time the existence of that little "like" or "up-vote" or "+1" is going to change the way someone approaches a situation in which they read a post that explains what they believe better than they ever could. People who feel the need to at least attempt to elaborate even when it seems that they cannot on their side of the discussion, argument, what have you are still going to do so and those who feel that the other person has already said everything that they could possibly say are going to still do the equivalent of quote-posting (which, in this case would be a "like).

  • 05.26.2012 6:46 AM PDT

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  • 05.26.2012 6:49 AM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Fair points, indeed. Perhaps I shoud elaborate on some of the possible issues; not that I doubt that the Web Team could do a great job of addressing them though:

Forum Rules Issues
Spam/Troll post. 30 users "like" it, attracting attention. What happens?

User "likes" every post they see without reading them. What happens?

People "liking" a post which is subsequently edited to become a bad link or troll post of some description. Especially problematic if higher liked posts become prioritised in the search bar.

Blacklistings: likes out the window immediately?

Comparisons
User "likes" a decent first response, then realises the fourth response is ten times better. Not much you can do unless the like system is complex enough to integrate "rating" a post, which would be rather overkill.

Polls and Original Posts
Would original posts have a like feature? If so, polls would obviously cause confusion and classifieds ads would be liked to simply draw attention.

Bad habits
"Like this post if you think" rather than "Do you think...?"

People bringing up "like" number in arguments (silly, I know)

People just "liking" posts by ninjas, employees and popular members (does work both ways, though)

Unnecessary attempt at a sarcastic/witty remark to try and get popularity from users. Especially an issue if people just start replying to troll topics for the sake of trying to get some popularity.

Inaccurate represntation
One guy was truly inspired and helped out by a post and likes it. Another guy sees a friend or someone from his private group; "like" Not much you can do about that.

I'll just leave it there. I can certainly see benefits from it but there are definitely some problems that could arise from the feature.

[Edited on 05.26.2012 7:24 AM PDT]

  • 05.26.2012 7:22 AM PDT

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And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
Only if you can down vote it with a middle finger too.
Posted by: Cockburnicus
Yeah I'd like an upvote or a thumbs up feature.

[Like]
Oh, I mean
[Thumbs Up]

  • 05.26.2012 7:58 AM PDT

Posted by: AcedannyK 7
If people do not want to give an opinion, it's difficult to see why they want to roam an internet forum. Forgive me if I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective but a forum is where people come together to discuss and debate (just like we are doing now).
Right, but everybody doesn't post. You're forgetting about the people who just read the forums - the lurkers - and on here there are far more people who lurk than post. So why not give them a way to contribute as well?

  • 05.26.2012 8:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

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Posted by: AcedannyK 7
If people do not want to give an opinion, it's difficult to see why they want to roam an internet forum. Forgive me if I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective but a forum is where people come together to discuss and debate (just like we are doing now).
Right, but everybody doesn't post. You're forgetting about the people who just read the forums - the lurkers - and on here there are far more people who lurk than post. So why not give them a way to contribute as well?

With stat updates gone, I wonder if this is still the case.
After all, he said that over 2 years ago, and before Reach.

[Edited on 05.26.2012 8:14 AM PDT]

  • 05.26.2012 8:07 AM PDT

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I wouldn't mind a "like" feature. There is a "thank" feature on the Waypoint forums, and while I know some people here don't like those forums generally, I've never seen anyone whore themselves for "thanks" over there. I don't see the downside to it.

  • 05.26.2012 8:12 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I recall a topic a while back that suggested the idea of a Facebook Share, a Tweet or a Google +1 for a topic (not a post) as a way to use/leverage members social networks in order to expose and share threads of interest with others who may not be members or not recently active members of the community.

A little icon-bar at the top of the OP with a FB share, Twitter Tweet, and Google +1 button, making it easier than the current copy/paste URL process.

I admit, I liked the idea. Little to no change, but the ability to "advertise this site" for a change.

  • 05.26.2012 8:16 AM PDT

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I like the "thank/unthank" system on Waypoint, but at times I feel as though it clutters up posts.

Like systems would be abused too much.

Hmm, the point above about lurkers is pretty interesting...

[Edited on 05.26.2012 8:18 AM PDT]

  • 05.26.2012 8:17 AM PDT

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No, and I can't say that enough. We don't need a bunch of reoccurring unoriginal jokes just so the poster can feel better about themselves because someone has "liked" what they said.

  • 05.26.2012 8:25 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: ARBITOR 5
Posted by: AcedannyK 7
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Posted by: AcedannyK 7
- Potential discussion gone
How much discussion is there with quote pyramids? I guessing little to none.
People should not be encouraged to give a 2 second click as a response to show how they agree with a post. It's better that they post their thoughts personally. A "like" feature only encourages people to not discuss in detail things they agree with and what they don't. I don't agree with quote pyramids either.
If people want to give an opinion they will, if they don't they don't. To stop this from happening the like button could be a button or a tick box as part of your post/reply.
*Dislikes instead of adding anything to the conversation*

  • 05.26.2012 8:40 AM PDT

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I see no problem with it, so why not.

  • 05.26.2012 8:45 AM PDT

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If it was subtly done then yeah.

  • 05.26.2012 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: AcedannyK 7
Forum Rules Issues
Spam/Troll post. 30 users "like" it, attracting attention. What happens?
It doesn't really attract attention, it just has a counter of how many "likes". I don't think anyone's suggesting a "trending posts" feature. And even then, that would just attract the attention of non-idiots who would have the common sense to report the post.

User "likes" every post they see without reading them. What happens? I've always suggested a maximum of 10ish likes allotted per 24 hours (ending 12 AM PST). That way you really have to think about whether or not a post really is a good post before liking it, because of the fact that you could run out. If you like 10 random posts on a page... oh well. You're out of likes and shouldn't have wasted them.

People "liking" a post which is subsequently edited to become a bad link or troll post of some description. Especially problematic if higher liked posts become prioritised in the search bar. Here's where Facebook's liking feature comes in handy. The answer to this problem? An unlike feature. (But using that like would still use one of your likes for the day, it would just revoke your promotion and acceptance of the content of that post.)

Blacklistings: likes out the window immediately? I don't see why. Liking isn't adding to a conversation. In fact, I think that if you're banned, you should be able to still like posts. You weren't banned because of your excessive liking, you were banned because of your textual conduct. Likewise, if liking by one person ever does become a problem (I.E. abuse, constant liking, unliking, and reliking which would, if a notification system was introduced, bug the hell out of the poster, etc.), then a like-ban can be introduced.

Comparisons
User "likes" a decent first response, then realises the fourth response is ten times better. Not much you can do unless the like system is complex enough to integrate "rating" a post, which would be rather overkill.
Liking isn't a complex art. If you like a post by a user, and they or anyone else makes another post that is 10 times better, then like the second one, quote it, and reply with "This idea X is better than that old idea Y because a, b, and c". Just because liking is introduced doesn't mean it's now your only means of expressing acceptance of an idea.

Polls and Original Posts
Would original posts have a like feature? If so, polls would obviously cause confusion and classifieds ads would be liked to simply draw attention.
The point of an original post is to spark discussion. If the OP says something in a way where it's just a statement and you cannot in any way contribute to the discussion, the OP has either done something wrong, or there will be somebody in the thread who disagrees with them or says something else that you can refute and then refer back to the OP's brilliance. But I suppose liking an OP would be fine.

Also, the entire point of classified ads is just to draw attention. That's why almost all the TFT's in the classifieds are locked. Because they're meant to be advertisements and they just kept getting bumped by people who are members of the group or clan being advertised.

Bad habits
"Like this post if you think" rather than "Do you think...?"
That's spam. Spam is a bannable offense.

People bringing up "like" number in arguments (silly, I know) It's just as silly as join date arguments (in most conversations). It's nothing new, to be honest.

People just "liking" posts by ninjas, employees and popular members (does work both ways, though) People already do that with quote-posting. Nothing would change. It's just a new medium through which to display their obsession.

Unnecessary attempt at a sarcastic/witty remark to try and get popularity from users. Especially an issue if people just start replying to troll topics for the sake of trying to get some popularity. This happens in the Flood daily and in almost every popular thread at at least half of the unpopular ones. As I've said before, "nothing would change".

Inaccurate represntation
One guy was truly inspired and helped out by a post and likes it. Another guy sees a friend or someone from his private group; "like" Not much you can do about that.
Honestly, who cares? One person here or there is not going to skew the representation of an entire community's view of a post or poster.

And if a lot of people from a group or a lot of friends do this, that goes back to the organized liking thing: it's probably not going to happen a lot and if it does happen... really, who cares? They're just likes. They don't get you any prized, get you on any special list, or anything. It's like bragging about how many headshots you had in reach. Who cares as long as you got the kill?

  • 05.26.2012 9:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: ToastyWaffles
I wouldn't mind a "like" feature. There is a "thank" feature on the Waypoint forums, and while I know some people here don't like those forums generally, I've never seen anyone whore themselves for "thanks" over there. I don't see the downside to it.
You weren't there when the feature was first implemented. There was a very popular thread where everyone just replied and the point of the thread was to get people to thank you so you could get more thanks.

Not surprisingly, the mods did nothing about it.

  • 05.26.2012 9:20 AM PDT

I'm not a fan of the idea, but if they decided to add this feature, it wouldn't bother me.

  • 05.26.2012 12:54 PM PDT

If there were no perks to it, just a like for a comment... I wouldn't hate it.

  • 05.26.2012 1:15 PM PDT

Long time listener,first time complainer.

I'd appreciate a top post. At least if it was sensible we could have a post voted top appearing on the front page.This would be beneficial to people as it would avoid the repetion that comes with not reading every page of a popular thread.

  • 05.26.2012 3:47 PM PDT
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  • 05.26.2012 3:56 PM PDT

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  • 05.26.2012 4:03 PM PDT

Unnecessary to say the least.

  • 05.26.2012 4:04 PM PDT

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It would make the forums annoying to read. Seeing some posts in 3+, some in 23+ and some over 100+. The reason why I love this site is because of how simple, but yet great it is. I see no need for liking anything when I can rather make a reply to express my opinion. While it is true that many more lurk than there are people who actively post, I find myself to rather like things than post on sites with this feature enabled.

So it is a no from me.

  • 05.26.2012 4:06 PM PDT

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