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Subject: Should there be a "like" feature on these forums?

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
- Nobody knows who likes it and who doesn't Yes you do. It would have a pop-up list of the users who liked it (like on Facebook), obviously. Anonymous liking is silly when it comes to the expression of opinion on forums.
If I might add, KnowYourMeme works that way, their upvote-downvote system is anonymous.

  • 05.26.2012 4:08 PM PDT

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It must come with a dislike feature.

  • 05.26.2012 8:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
- Nobody knows who likes it and who doesn't Yes you do. It would have a pop-up list of the users who liked it (like on Facebook), obviously. Anonymous liking is silly when it comes to the expression of opinion on forums.
If I might add, KnowYourMeme works that way, their upvote-downvote system is anonymous.
I still think that on a forum (not a comment section, but a forum), where people establish relationships (good or bad) between other users and get to know them on a more personal level (not a personal level, a MORE personal level) than in comments, that anonymous liking is silly.

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  • 05.26.2012 9:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: BerzerkCommando
No: Waypoint has that and people get liked for anything. It's really not that great of a feature.

Personally, I love the "thank" feature on the Waypoint forums, and would love to see something similar here.

  • 05.26.2012 9:56 PM PDT

There comes a time in every mans life... and that time is not now.

I think there should be some sort of like system, but not necessarily a 'like' in particular.

  • 05.26.2012 10:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.

I can see many bad things happening if this was implemented. If only thumbs up, then I guess it would be fine from my perspective. But with Thumbs down? Yeahh, terrible idea there.

  • 05.26.2012 10:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun
I can see many bad things happening if this was implemented. If only thumbs up, then I guess it would be fine from my perspective. But with Thumbs down? Yeahh, terrible idea there.
What about a nonvisible dislike or thumbs down? What I mean by that is that when you dislike something, it detracts from the positive rating, and doesn't show: "Ten likes, Two dislikes". This is why a +, - system would work better because it would literally just be the +/- on your post instead of making likes look like they never existed.

Anyway, then, when the post WOULD be going negative (has hit 0 and is still getting disliked), the system keeps track of those dislikes and takes them into account but still displays you as zero. That way your dislikes still count no matter the person's posts's current rating, and the person doesn't have that dislikedness displayed either to them or the whole community.

  • 05.26.2012 10:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun
I can see many bad things happening if this was implemented. If only thumbs up, then I guess it would be fine from my perspective. But with Thumbs down? Yeahh, terrible idea there.
What about a nonvisible dislike or thumbs down? What I mean by that is that when you dislike something, it detracts from the positive rating, and doesn't show: "Ten likes, Two dislikes". This is why a +, - system would work better because it would literally just be the +/- on your post instead of making likes look like they never existed.

Anyway, then, when the post WOULD be going negative (has hit 0 and is still getting disliked), the system keeps track of those dislikes and takes them into account but still displays you as zero. That way your dislikes still count no matter the person's posts's current rating, and the person doesn't have that dislikedness displayed either to them or the whole community.
That's basically the Report system we have now though.

  • 05.26.2012 10:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun
I can see many bad things happening if this was implemented. If only thumbs up, then I guess it would be fine from my perspective. But with Thumbs down? Yeahh, terrible idea there.
What about a nonvisible dislike or thumbs down? What I mean by that is that when you dislike something, it detracts from the positive rating, and doesn't show: "Ten likes, Two dislikes". This is why a +, - system would work better because it would literally just be the +/- on your post instead of making likes look like they never existed.

Anyway, then, when the post WOULD be going negative (has hit 0 and is still getting disliked), the system keeps track of those dislikes and takes them into account but still displays you as zero. That way your dislikes still count no matter the person's posts's current rating, and the person doesn't have that dislikedness displayed either to them or the whole community.
That's basically the Report system we have now though.
No it's not? It's a like system with a dislike system.

The report system is for rule breaking, not disliking.

  • 05.26.2012 10:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun
I can see many bad things happening if this was implemented. If only thumbs up, then I guess it would be fine from my perspective. But with Thumbs down? Yeahh, terrible idea there.
What about a nonvisible dislike or thumbs down? What I mean by that is that when you dislike something, it detracts from the positive rating, and doesn't show: "Ten likes, Two dislikes". This is why a +, - system would work better because it would literally just be the +/- on your post instead of making likes look like they never existed.

Anyway, then, when the post WOULD be going negative (has hit 0 and is still getting disliked), the system keeps track of those dislikes and takes them into account but still displays you as zero. That way your dislikes still count no matter the person's posts's current rating, and the person doesn't have that dislikedness displayed either to them or the whole community.
That's basically the Report system we have now though.
No it's not? It's a like system with a dislike system.

The report system is for rule breaking, not disliking.
And what's the use of having a dislike system if there's no repercussions to it? Someone could just troll all day and get dislikes with no real fear of losing anything.

However, if the "dislikes" had a consequence, such as if a person racks up enough on one post, the person's post is reviewed by a moderator where they can make an action.

See what it looks like? The report system is basically another variation of a like/dislike system. The report button now would probably be the dislike button where a person would be sent to a queue for moderators would judge their actions if their post was reported enough.

There can be a "Like" system, but we don't need to have a visible dislike along with it.

The con along with this system is that it promotes elitism. I don't really see people shoving their titles in a person's face anymore, so I don't really see titles as a tool for elitism. However, a visible like system and visible dislike system would definitely promote elitism.

Why would it promote elitism? A person that, for example, is liked by the mods and the employees would receive likes while a person that the mods or the community dislikes would receive down votes. Let's say the person that's popular with both the employees and mods decides to troll. He'll use his "like" reputation to promote his superiority.

It's the other way around for the dislike system. If a person that is hated by the community posts something that actually promotes discussion and is a good thread, but it's that person, many people would downvote them just because they're not popular with the community.

  • 05.27.2012 12:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun
A like button is meant to show approval or promotion of someone's post or idea(s) contained therein. Nothing more, nothing less.

Likewise, a dislike button is meant to show disapproval and renunciation of someone's post or idea(s) contained therein. It is not meant to be a report feature. It is not meant to be used to call the ninjas to a troll. It is meant to express disapproval of a post.

Could you use it on a troll post? Sure. But that doesn't make it the primary purpose of the feature.

And people using a "like" history as a medium through which to boast about their alleged superiority are the same kinds of people who will brag about join date, etc. Also, I don't think your ideas about disliking are true. For example, and I'm not trying to be rude, but there are people (myself included) who have called some of HOOBLA 911's threads in the past frivolous and unnecessary. However, when the guy comes up with an actually good thread or idea, people point it out and commend him for it (albeit with an air of "Finally!", but still).

People aren't nearly as immature here as they are, for example, in the Flood Forum (on the whole). But things here have always worked differently than they have in the Flood, so there's no way that the discussion of equality of use between the forums can be brought up with any old or new feature on the forums.

  • 05.27.2012 12:22 AM PDT

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Troll confirmed. I never even insulted you

Posted by: Dustin 6047
OP - You're a dumbass with the reading comprehension skills of a second grader.


Can someone tell me what's wrong with these two, this made me LOL hard.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

I can see where you're coming from. But other than showing someone is not liked in the community, having a like and dislike system will have no progress. It's more of a "high five" and a "slap to the face" type of system. If someone is liked or their idea is liked, then they get a high five.

If someone is disliked or their thread is disliked, they get a slap to the face. I'll give a prime example of the like/dislike system at full effect: the League of Legends forum. They have started a Like/Dislike system there where there's absolutely no progress going on in there.

Someone is liked? Everyone praises the person even if it's an idea that lacks common sense. (And there are many popular users on that forum that make threads that lack common sense just because of boredom. They still get like votes because they're popular.)

Same way with someone that isn't liked. That person posts a thread (Whether or not it's actually contributing something), just because they're that person, they'll get dislikes because they're a user. Everyone will disregard the main point of the thread and reply with, "Oh, it's 'x' user. Dislike just because it's 'x' user."

That forum is really open about disliking people and derailing threads made by an unliked person.

I honestly see no use of a Like/Dislike feature. It'll be more work for nothing by the webteam. Besides, if someone has a post that is liked, then they don't get reported. If someone has a post that is overall disliked, then they get reported and the post is hidden.

There's no need to have a visible like/dislike system when there's already a similar version already in effect.

  • 05.27.2012 12:33 AM PDT

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If people do not want to give an opinion, it's difficult to see why they want to roam an internet forum. Forgive me if I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective but a forum is where people come together to discuss and debate (just like we are doing now).
Right, but everybody doesn't post. You're forgetting about the people who just read the forums - the lurkers - and on here there are far more people who lurk than post. So why not give them a way to contribute as well?


Why should they be able to contribute?

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  • 05.27.2012 12:45 AM PDT

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I like how the Blizzard and Riot Games forums work -- they have a Thumbs up and Thumbs down feature. Posts that get downvoted too much get hidden. It would be kind of nice. (Though, the report feature really works this way, no?)

I see some differences and pitfalls with that, though:
1) Maybe a post isn't report worthy, so report isn't a good button to press. Just saying you dislike it would help there.
2) However... Then, unpopular opinions are hidden by the majority of the community. That doesn't foster great discussion, does it?

See Reddit for definition of "circle-jerk", where all 'bad' opinions are downvoted and all 'good' opinions are agreed upon by the majority of users, promoting very little actual discussion about topics.

  • 05.27.2012 12:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant Kyuun

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

I see the like/dislike system as a preventative measure if anything. It's an alternative to quote-posting, QFTs, "This"s, etc. It's a cleaner alternative, and a more aesthetically pleasing alternative to these things that don't really contribute to the discussion outside a continued assertion of the agreeing with an idea and the implication of the inability to restate the original poster's view or idea in a any way better than was already done.

And, I think my "invisible bottom half" idea would clear up these misgivings you have about contempt toward specific members of the community.

This would mean that negative likes would not be shown at all, but would still count. Lets say that the approval of a given post is a point on a number line, and every number on that line that is less than one (including the base number of zero) is behind a curtain. If the post is at the mean, zero, you see it as being behind the curtain. If that post gets a dislike, it is now 1 like farther away from being positive, but you still just see it as being behind the curtain (just as the majority of posts on BNet will end up being due to the vast number of them).

And, I think that on something that can get as personally related as a forum, there becomes a necessity for the publication of those who like a post, but not necessarily the publication of those who dislike a post.

Liking a post should be an open and public display of agreeing with someones statement, just as a quote-post would be. This is something someone would publicly display anyway in this simplistic fashion. However, the dislike feature really has no posting analog as you can't possibly say that someone you disagree with made your point better than you could have. It's just meant to be there as a counterbalance to a system that would have only a positive scale. Publicizing disliking would be a little silly and make it an overly cruel system, and totally get rid of the entire point of the "Curtain" effect.

I mean, I suppose that that would mean you could only display the names of people who liked it after it turned positive or maybe the removal of people from the list as the likes dissipate going from most recent to the first like (for the order of removal of people from the list). Either of those could work, really. But that would make a "People who have liked this" list statistically false in any situation where a dislike is involved. Oh well, I'm doing my typical hypotheticizing within hypotheticals.

I'll bow out with my main points being displayed above (in an albeit unorganized fashion).

[Edited on 05.27.2012 1:15 AM PDT]

  • 05.27.2012 1:14 AM PDT

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If people do not want to give an opinion, it's difficult to see why they want to roam an internet forum. Forgive me if I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective but a forum is where people come together to discuss and debate (just like we are doing now).
Right, but everybody doesn't post. You're forgetting about the people who just read the forums - the lurkers - and on here there are far more people who lurk than post. So why not give them a way to contribute as well?


Why should they be able to contribute?
>implying lurkers don't have the right to contribute to the forum.

lolwut?

  • 05.27.2012 1:14 AM PDT

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posts that get downvoted too much get hidden. It would be kind of nice. (Though, the report feature really works this way, no?)
The only thing I am not fond of the "Thumbs up or down" is the fact that there is a "down" option. By all means, if you disagree with the post of a person, then argue, discuss, and say why with reason. But the concept of thumbing down seems like it would be nothing but trouble. A person's post may be thumbed down because they share a different view of a topic.

For example (and only for example) I share a different thought of the 'bloom' mechanic in Reach's gameplay as opposed to others in the forums. Someone else may disagree with my view, and maybe we'll have a discuss/argument about it, and that is what makes the thread. If I were to express my thoughts on the bloom mechanic, no matter what I do to try to convince the audience, I will most likely get thumbed down by people too ignorant or foolish to understand why.

Especially in the case of a post getting too much "thumbs down" becomes hidden doesn't mean a post shouldn't be read. The report system we have now is nearly perfect. Too many reports of something being inappropriate, then it is hidden, and eventually dealt with by a moderator. If there is a unsafe link, or very disrepectful post, then it gets hidden so no one is hurt by it. But to have a post be hidden just because people disagree is juvenile as to plugging my ears and yelling, "I can't hear you."

I'm all for a thumbs up button becuase you can either like it and express it through a simple click of a button, don't and move on with your life, or choose to discuss as to why and contribute to the conversation.

[Edited on 05.27.2012 2:48 AM PDT]

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  • 05.27.2012 2:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
Yeah I'd like an upvote or a thumbs up feature.

  • 05.27.2012 3:02 AM PDT

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