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Subject: What if captain Keyes is Gravemind
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that would be the craziest game twist in the world. i mean the chief would be like whoa and then yooud be like woah and gravemind would say whoa. mc was all sad and depresseed from the chief all floody and stuff

  • 06.08.2006 7:45 PM PDT
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When I said the flood didn't need the brain anymore, I meant that once they had sifted through the all of the knowledge, be it usefull or non-usefull, and aborbed the information, it was all inside of the infection form that had embedded itself into the carrier in the first place. I know that was a huge run-on I don't care. So guy I'm actually on your side. I was simply attempting to empart the masses with a bit of knowledge that they had demonstrated the lack having through the messages left in this post. I simply did not articulate my thoughts in as clear and concise a manner as I thought

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The Truth and Reconciliation was destroyed. It's in The Flood.McKay destroys the link between the bridge and the engines,causing it to crash in order to prevent the Flood from getting to Earth.

  • 06.08.2006 8:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: MikeDingus
well how did gravemind get off of the first halo?
The one we blew up.



Who said gravemind was on the first halo? also, no, keyes is dead, accept it.

  • 06.08.2006 8:46 PM PDT

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why it cant be

1)keyes was on the Halo Master Chief blew up in Halo1
2)master chief punched his face in to get something, i forget what, codes or something


i just quoted myself, so hopefully that was dumb enough some1 will actually read instead of saying the same stupid crap thats been here for the entire threads life

  • 06.08.2006 8:49 PM PDT
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keys was made that way to show us that something like it could exist. and then gravemind flies outta knowhere in 2, but we should have seen it coming...

  • 06.08.2006 8:55 PM PDT

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Amazing!

Do you guys even remember Halo: CE? Keyes grew after being infected. Think of when Master Chief/you punched the Flood-creature to gain control of the index in the level Keyes (I think).

  • 06.08.2006 9:00 PM PDT

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I stand corrected...

you are right I forgot about Mckay cutting the ships lifeline to prevent those orders from taking place of capturing flood...

but they could have...and it still doesnt mean that Keyes mind could have been transferred to another being of the like...

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Posted by: SEV12
It'd make more sense plot-wise if Gravemind is unique. I always thought of him as THE Flood, not A Flood. To me the Flood is a single entity that spreads its 'arms' throught the galaxy trying to feed off biomass and knowledge. So Gravemind is the Flood, and the Flood is Gravemind. So he is the brain, the rest is his arms legs and body and life support.

Brain wave!!!! What if gravemind was originally some sort of prototype ultimate being made by forerunners that got out of control and started spawning infection forms to make it more powerful.

  • 06.09.2006 3:56 AM PDT

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No. You punched Keyes' face off in the first game and then blew up the Halo that Truth and Reconciliation was docked on. He's dead. That wouldn't even be a plot twist, it would just be a perversion of logic and storytelling.

  • 06.09.2006 3:58 AM PDT
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I wonder if Johnson is like a carrier for the Flood. What I mean is, say someone has a disease, they don't have to have the symptoms, but they still have it, so couldn't Johnson infect others accidentally??

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Posted by: RichardrahciR
It isnt that Johnsons flood is dormant (sp?) and it can awaken, its the fact that it doesnt infect him because if would create an unhealthy Flood form.

The host does not reach Flood specifictions for infection ;)

I wonder if Johnson is like a carrier for the Flood. What I mean is, say someone has a disease, they don't have to have the symptoms, but they still have it, so couldn't Johnson infect others accidentally??

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Hes not Keyes. Even if it was his "body", his brain is non-existant. Also, Keyes was a brainFORM. Gravmind makes the Flood, spawns them, so gravemind would have made the infector 10,000 years before. So his creation was hydrated and escaped, getting Keyes.

Gravemind is probably one of a kind, the only one around. I think this because the Flood is one entity (bungie has said that once), so it cant have more than one character controling it. Flood is a body, one living thing, Gravemind is like the head eyes nose mouth and brain. Their cant be more graveminds because seven brains make your body useless because your arms try to move one way, legs another, your brains argue. So you cant have two graveminds either.

Gravemind is the Flood

The Flood is Gravemind

The Flood is one entity

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for the last time to everyone, KEYES IS DEAD, he had his skull crushed by MC and then was incinerated when halo exploded. Keyes is not in any condition to carry anything, including a flood.
Like I've said before, yes gravemind is one of a kind. My previous theory is that a forerunner was absorbed by some kind of bio genetically superior life form made by the forerunners. I think keyes was in the first stages of being turned into another gravemind, but died long before completion (gravemind is at least 1000 yrs old). Gravemind could have absorbed a forerunner leader who, like keyes, had a lot more useful knowledge than the average ODST trooper. Perhaps as one of the brain cocoons evolves, they can spawn infection forms for protection, which supports the whole one being concept of the flood

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because if u read the books it took longest for the flood to take over his body becuase he resisted so, therfor it had to grow stronger to completly take him over. this isnt only my idea but it is in the book Halo: The Flood

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Posted by: GAMER4EVER
Cool. I have evidence that the "creature" in the documentary was a Forerunner.

No you don't.

Spend a hundred thousand years under Africa with no food and sunlight? No thank you. Also, Forerunners are humans...human's are not identical to a Brute.

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Gravemind isn't captin keys, theres no way, keys has been dead 4 about 2 years and gravemind has been around 4 thousands of years, i think that it could be a forerunner possesed by a flood.


Keyes has been dead for about a month. If your going to post make sure your info is at least close to being correct.

First Strike actually ends on 1825 hours; September 13 2552 when they're headed back to Earth in the extra fast Slipspace bubble, via Time-Warping Crystal still affecting the ship and it's crew (Cortana is the index, and it can't be destroyed, so it will use other Forerunner tech to survive).

When do the events of Halo CE take place you ask? September 19 2552 is the date the Autumn reaches Halo.

Now, the shard of the crystal that Truth has..means that the events on Delta Halo and High Charity can take place prior to, or during the events of Halo 1. Trippy, eh?


The Keyes blob is most likely just used for navigation back to Earth (the Flood wanted 'food' so that's why they tried to find the location of Earth)..

Keyes can also use Covenant ships, so that would be useful for getting The Truth and Reconcilliation back to Earth.

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  • 06.10.2006 11:48 AM PDT
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How did Gravemind get from Delta Halo onto High Charity? Teleportation.
No. In Amber Clad (IAC) crashed into HC, and the gravemind left its reckage.

Proof 1: He/She (No Gender Specified...) teleported the Arbiter to the control room to disengauge the index.
Proof 2: Remember in the cut scean? Gravemind is holding onto Tangent, accsessing the grid that way. If the flood can use the grid, why would they need IAC to go to HC

  • 06.10.2006 11:51 AM PDT

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True, but you know how Gravemind is The Flood mind! That would mean Gravemind still has Captain Keyes memories!

Think about it, when the flood infect there host they hack there brains and steal there memories untill they find something usefull... like to find out how to use a weapon or drive a spaceship!

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yes, how would he get off halo? last time I checked, he was stuck to a large pillar with flood-tape... I also think he died... and also why would he do that???


The Arbiter came there to confisgate the ship and punched the big blob and many little ones came out (forget the name) and then the arbiter told his elites to get this thing away and off the ship and thats how it got off something I heard leading to his therory.

What the hell are you talking about..?

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im just speculating i cant come up with any evidence but its just a thought ?
maybe someone can come up with any evidence


p.s i have no idea wat the heck is the fake script , i just thought it would be something bungie would do.


I was under the impression that Gravemind was very old and wise. If it was Captain Keyes, he'd only be like a year old.

Actually, about a week.

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Posted by: Lord of the Halo
You guys obviously don't know anything about the flood. When the infection forms get into your body, they become your brain.[/correct]
Correct, but this was a collective of multiple bodies of importance to become a pilot of the Truth and Reconcilliation (most likely)
They don't need Keyes' brain anymore, and that's why it could be possible for keyese to survive MC punching his brains in.
He couldn't survive what's coming up.
[quote] And about him not surviving halo. If I'm not mistaken, High Charity is just outside of the ruins of Instalation 04 in a cut scene in Halo2.

Yes but it was NOT there during Halo 1, it uses Slipspace.
[quote] Who's to say Pillar of Autum destroyed everything

The Truth and Reconcilliation (where the Keyes form was) was taken out by a Helljumper by the Name of McKay, after Flood controlled Jenkins suggest it.

The ship then went back into Halo's atmosphere and was destroyed before Halo even blew up. Furhthermore he could not survive the rin exploding.
[quote] and besides, there were flood in that heretic base which means they did get off inst. 04 alive. HA take that haters

They were actually in the Lab portion. The Heretic Base is an Ancient Forerunner facility like Halo..only with the purpose of mining gas and studying the Flood.

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i've seen a ytmnd for this

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Posted by: Tipperman
I wonder if Johnson is like a carrier for the Flood. What I mean is, say someone has a disease, they don't have to have the symptoms, but they still have it, so couldn't Johnson infect others accidentally??


...Shoulda worn a condom...

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Posted by: JoeyPerkins
How did Gravemind get from Delta Halo onto High Charity? Teleportation.
No. In Amber Clad (IAC) crashed into HC, and the gravemind left its reckage.

Proof 1: He/She (No Gender Specified...) teleported the Arbiter to the control room to disengauge the index.
Proof 2: Remember in the cut scean? Gravemind is holding onto Tangent, accsessing the grid that way. If the flood can use the grid, why would they need IAC to go to HC

Purely for tactial reasons, and practical reasons. Why waste so much energy on teleportation (Gravemind is already huge) when you could just fly a ship in (which is already under Flood control and in space)

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Posted by: Lord of the Halo
You guys obviously don't know anything about the flood. When the infection forms get into your body, they become your brain.[/correct]
Correct, but this was a collective of multiple bodies of importance to become a pilot of the Truth and Reconcilliation (most likely)
They don't need Keyes' brain anymore, and that's why it could be possible for keyese to survive MC punching his brains in.
He couldn't survive what's coming up.
[quote] And about him not surviving halo. If I'm not mistaken, High Charity is just outside of the ruins of Instalation 04 in a cut scene in Halo2.

Yes but it was NOT there during Halo 1, it uses Slipspace.
[quote] Who's to say Pillar of Autum destroyed everything

The Truth and Reconcilliation (where the Keyes form was) was taken out by a Helljumper by the Name of McKay, after Flood controlled Jenkins suggest it.

The ship then went back into Halo's atmosphere and was destroyed before Halo even blew up. Furhthermore he could not survive the rin exploding.
[quote] and besides, there were flood in that heretic base which means they did get off inst. 04 alive. HA take that haters

They were actually in the Lab portion. The Heretic Base is an Ancient Forerunner facility like Halo..only with the purpose of mining gas and studying the Flood.


You actually managed to trick yourself, yes High Charity was in orbit of AlphaHalo's relatively intact wreckage. What were the Covenant trying to do nearing the end of Halo: Get all cruisers the hell outta there to contain the flood. They couldn't blow it up cause if our little Autumn could rip the Sacred ring apart then think of what a Covie cruiser would do? The Covenant would never let the High charity go there unless it was safe so no, you are wrong.

  • 06.10.2006 12:24 PM PDT