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Subject: Why does everyone think the rules are so strict?

You obviously weren't around in 2008.

  • 05.27.2012 2:32 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Kickimanjaro
Why does everyone overgeneralize everything all the time?
I had the same question. Magnifying a rather insignificant "problem" via hyperbole does what exactly? It seems like another "let's get angry for the sake of getting angry".

  • 05.27.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Kickimanjaro
Why does everyone overgeneralize everything all the time?
I had the same question. Magnifying a rather insignificant "problem" via hyperbole does what exactly? It seems like another "let's get angry for the sake of getting angry".
It's because we really have nothing to criticize or to be angry at except for Bungie not telling us anything and little things here and there in the forum.

Now, when a new game is released and the flood gates of activity are opened, there are still those people who let others know, "Hey, this is in the wrong forum." or "inb4 lock" and if anything, stuff like that will increase ten-fold. BUT, it all seems to be covered up or ignored because we all have a new game to play, discuss, love, hate, and criticize. Those little things aren't relevant enough to discuss. But we don't have anything right now to cover it up, to pull our attention away from those little things.

  • 05.27.2012 2:59 PM PDT

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  • 05.27.2012 3:05 PM PDT

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  • 05.27.2012 3:06 PM PDT

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Kickimanjaro
Why does everyone overgeneralize everything all the time?
I had the same question. Magnifying a rather insignificant "problem" via hyperbole does what exactly? It seems like another "let's get angry for the sake of getting angry".

I'm glad you two can understand the concept of an exaggeration; of course not everyone thinks the rules are as restrictive of the people I'm talking about.

Nobody's angry, I'm just pointing out a particularly annoying hypocritical habit of this forum. No biggie.

  • 05.27.2012 3:25 PM PDT


Posted by: ctjl96
I'm just pointing out a particularly annoying hypocritical habit of this forum. No biggie.
How is pointing out how poor quality certain threads are hypocritical again?

  • 05.27.2012 3:29 PM PDT

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  • 05.27.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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  • 05.27.2012 3:33 PM PDT

Posted by: burritosenior

Posted by: ctjl96
I'm just pointing out a particularly annoying hypocritical habit of this forum. No biggie.
How is pointing out how poor quality certain threads are hypocritical again?

Crying about poor discussion value adds no discussion itself and is thus hypocritical and, IMO, 10x more annoying than the thread in question 90% of the time.

Again, condescending attitudes on an Internet forum.

  • 05.27.2012 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: ctjl96
You're right. When you need to compare the behavior of "everyone" (in reality a very select few members) to the behavior of SS soldiers in Dachau you're obviously emotionally uninvested in the topic.

Reductio ad Hitlerum in the first post of a topic? I think even Godwin would be surprised.

[Edited on 05.27.2012 3:40 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2012 3:40 PM PDT

Posted by: ctjl96
Posted by: burritosenior

Posted by: ctjl96
I'm just pointing out a particularly annoying hypocritical habit of this forum. No biggie.
How is pointing out how poor quality certain threads are hypocritical again?

Crying about poor discussion value adds no discussion itself and is thus hypocritical and, IMO, 10x more annoying than the thread in question 90% of the time.

Again, condescending attitudes on an Internet forum.
You just aren't thinking, mate.

Think: Why would somebody tell someone their thread is stupid? Is it to make the other person feel bad? Is it to make the poster feel good? Just to give that person something to do?

Not necessarily. It's because we, and read this part carefully now, don't want to keep seeing the same crap pop up again in the future. By telling people they should think before they post (think before you post), you're encouraging them to create better quality posts/threads, ideally reducing the probability of seeing such eyesores in the future.

It's only hypocritical if you don't take the time to think of reasonings.

  • 05.27.2012 3:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
Posted by: burritosenior

Posted by: ctjl96
I'm just pointing out a particularly annoying hypocritical habit of this forum. No biggie.
How is pointing out how poor quality certain threads are hypocritical again?

Crying about poor discussion value adds no discussion itself and is thus hypocritical and, IMO, 10x more annoying than the thread in question 90% of the time.

Again, condescending attitudes on an Internet forum.


As some of us have said, things like "Hey this belongs in a different forum" are not meant to be complaints. They are meant to help the OP understand for future reference so they do not continue making the same mistake. As for people complaining about people who make threads/post with no discussion value, it is against the rules for a reason. No one wants to discuss a thread that consist of "You're stupid for looking in this thread." and so forth. It gets annoying. But I understand where you come from. It is annoying when people just gripe about how pointless the thread is.

  • 05.27.2012 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
Posted by: burritosenior

Posted by: ctjl96
I'm just pointing out a particularly annoying hypocritical habit of this forum. No biggie.
How is pointing out how poor quality certain threads are hypocritical again?

Crying about poor discussion value adds no discussion itself and is thus hypocritical and, IMO, 10x more annoying than the thread in question 90% of the time.

Again, condescending attitudes on an Internet forum.


Threads are the things made to spark and create discussions. Discussions are the things that can be one of two things: productive and worthwhile, or unproductive and a waste of space. It is on the thread-makers, the sparkers of conversation and pioneers of discussion, to make things have discussion value.

If someone is a poster who always makes threads with discussion value, and always responds to posts in an appropriate manner, and then comes to you and tells you that your thread is not worth being discussed, that person is just telling you that you've done a poor job at making your thread and that in the future you would do well to try harder at making something people actually can care about and discuss quite a bit.

It's not hypocritical to tell someone that their thread is not worth discussing as the publicly accepted discussion-worthiness of any given thread or topic is something that's been discussed at nauseum since the inception of the first internet forum, and before that since the inception of language.

Why do we say the things we say about the things we say them about? Why are things the way they are? What does it mean to have meaning and worth?

These are philosophical questions which have been pondered since the times of the great greek philosophers and the discussion on these questions and ones like it has not stagnated since.

Therefore asking whether or not or stating whether or not a thread has no value is very much up for debate and has a large amount of discussion value, thus making your comment void and ends up just making it look like a vain grasp for a stepping stone above your opponent to attempt to make them look lower than yourself with sub-par logic.

tl;dr: your idea is fundamentally wrong because saying your thread has no discussion value is a very discussion-worthy claim.

OT: Nobody responded to my other post and my ideas haven't changed so now I'm left out of the loop. :(

P.S.: I just got back from a slept-through car ride from the Orioles' loss to KC (sad face), and so am a bit drowsy. Please excuse any confused, inconsistent, or unorganized thoughts, ideas, sentences, or paragraphs.

[Edited on 05.27.2012 4:14 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2012 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior


Every forum on the internet ever has had repeat topics. They are an inevitability among discussion boards. That people are still here, even making repeat topics, shows that they still want to be here; which is something I'm perfectly fine with, given Bungie's current state of darkness.

You aren't entitled to "good" topics by what ever metrics you want to set. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that but I'm willing to guess that a large portion of the users who feel the need to belittle others do it for the former reasons you listed, rather than the latter. It's just under the guise of trying to make this board better.

I'm not trying to call you out specifically because I don't know why you say it, nor do I care. I am, however, calling it like I see it.

  • 05.27.2012 4:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Every forum on the internet ever has had repeat topics. They are an inevitability among discussion boards.

OT Threads > All = No repeat threads ;)

However, for the OP, I think there should be some thought being put through each threads before they are submitted. You can usually find that the best threads, their OP has done some research before they created that thread. They acknowledge that there have been previous threads and even link to some of them.

Just mindlessly creating threads with no substance or research behind the topic might lead to repeat threads anyways. Everyone is entitld to their own opinion and shouldn't feel the need to hold back from creating a thread, most threads however can be solved by a few Google (or Bing) searches.

[Edited on 05.27.2012 4:44 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2012 4:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
As some of us have said, things like "Hey this belongs in a different forum" are not meant to be complaints. They are meant to help the OP understand for future reference so they do not continue making the same mistake.

Then why not send them a private message instead bumping a topic against the rules up to the top of the forum topics? Each time you do that, you can move on-topic threads lower and lower until they're off the first page; where no one will read them.

  • 05.27.2012 4:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zealot Tony

Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
As some of us have said, things like "Hey this belongs in a different forum" are not meant to be complaints. They are meant to help the OP understand for future reference so they do not continue making the same mistake.

Then why not send them a private message instead bumping a topic against the rules up to the top of the forum topics? Each time you do that, you can move on-topic threads lower and lower until they're off the first page; where no one will read them.
Because I like to, when I can remember it, answer the OPs query or respond to the OPs discussion-starter along with my advisory clause about thread placement. And, in a slow moving forum like the Septagon, moving something like this to the top doesn't really do all that much to the discussion and flow of the forum despite the claims of some.

  • 05.27.2012 4:48 PM PDT

Actually the rules are alot more laid back and not as strict as they use to be.

  • 05.27.2012 5:21 PM PDT

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  • 05.27.2012 5:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Because I like to, when I can remember it, answer the OPs query or respond to the OPs discussion-starter along with my advisory clause about thread placement. And, in a slow moving forum like the Septagon, moving something like this to the top doesn't really do all that much to the discussion and flow of the forum despite the claims of some.

I was more referring to all forums overall, over one slow-moving one.

Personally, simply stating "This doesn't belong here" or "Wrong forum" doesn't help the person figure out where the thread is meant to be posted. Think about the people who'd most likely post in the incorrect forum - newcomers; so how'd they react when simply told "Wrong forum"? They go to see a number of different forums, confusing them rather than helping them. Sure, they should have read the rules before posting, but it's a two-way street; being that the person alerting them that the post is simply in the "Wrong forum" is too breaking the rules.

People should second guess themselves as to if the information they are about to provide is either one of two things: helpful, and correct. Even then, you should make the choice as to if the OP is going to see the information you provide; because if they don't, it voids the whole idea of doing it in the first place. If you're late to the thread, then you perhaps have a better chance of the OP seeing a message over a post in a thread they created, with the added bonus of not bumping it.

NB: Not at all stating that the above is what you do, it's merely an elaboration.

  • 05.27.2012 5:26 PM PDT

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I wouldn't say the rules are strict, but I would say that sometimes, they are enforced too strictly.

  • 05.27.2012 5:51 PM PDT


Posted by: True Underdog
Every forum on the internet ever has had repeat topics. They are an inevitability among discussion boards. That people are still here, even making repeat topics, shows that they still want to be here; which is something I'm perfectly fine with, given Bungie's current state of darkness.
Does the fact that I'm talking about poorly thought out threads and not repeat threads invalidate your post?

  • 05.27.2012 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
Not necessarily. It's because we, and read this part carefully now, don't want to keep seeing the same crap pop up again in the future.


Not as much as you'd like it to.

  • 05.27.2012 5:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
All I see now is "THIS DOESNT GO HERE OP," "QUALITY > QUANTITY!!!," and "LETS BAN PEOPLE WHO SAY INB4!!". It's getting rather ridiculous, really. I was under the impression that the rules were a lot more lax and less reminiscent of Dachau.

So, are the rules really that bad? Or am I being silly?
Not gonna lie, this is my first time actually reading the OP.

What the -blam!- does people telling someone that making a ton of stupid posts is worse than making one good post have to do with the rules being lackadaisical in any way whatsoever?

The assertion that quality > quantity has nothing to with the enforcement, severity, or definition of any of the forum rules.


-nevermind about this part-

[Edited on 05.27.2012 6:05 PM PDT]

  • 05.27.2012 5:57 PM PDT

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