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Here is a biblical excerpt from revelations (Written by St. John) matching MC's number

1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Was John the first to enter the program, I cant quite remember. If he was, the theory is half way there. Many argue about the spartan acknowedgment lights in the trailer. However, while I agree that those are such, it will come time for John to have to be alone once again. This time, with no hope of his fellow spartans returning.

  • 06.07.2006 11:22 AM PDT

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Ya John was the first child recruited into the spartan program.

  • 06.07.2006 11:24 AM PDT
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If that's the case, then why is he assigned the number 117 again? I read the books so long ago I forgot.

  • 06.07.2006 11:25 AM PDT
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If that's the case, then why is he assigned the number 117 again? I read the books so long ago I forgot.

Don't know. But he was the first child Dr. Halsey visited.

  • 06.07.2006 11:26 AM PDT
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Right. I remembered that he was the first she recruited, I just forgot the numbering scheme and if it meant something.

  • 06.07.2006 11:27 AM PDT
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Im not so sure that the numbering meant anything, regardless, bungie controls the story. They can tweak anything to make their own little hints that they are so well known for. The theory could be applied to bungie's prior knowledge, not exactly the character's.

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Good one. Although we will never know till next year(Alledgedly) it is cool to find out things like that.

Speaking of, where can I find the topic about how the Etching in the Master Chief's Facemask is the same pattern found all over Halo CE and Halo 2. I noticed when i decided to play through the Halo's again. What a find for me at least.

Well on the architectur of the rings.

Also where is the discussion on the people etch into the wall right before you enter the control room at the end of Halo 2. They are on the back wall next to the door where the Brutes come out. Well they are in like 3-5 places after you land the Banshee.

It is a person with their arms out and an Oracle below and then it repeats. Some -blam!- looking art for advanced civilization.

Sorry wasn't trying to hijack I swear. I just can post topics and this was itching the hell out of me. Just like I think Cortana was purposely planted with the Chief and how I think Halsey had visited the Halos before. Isn't tha why Cortana Jumped there like she was there before, not as Cortana but Hasley.

I can't wait till tomorrow to post stuff,.

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  • 06.07.2006 11:32 AM PDT
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I'd say that John does represent the first and last. However, I'm not sure that John was the first of the Spartans. I'd have to check that out.

  • 06.07.2006 11:36 AM PDT
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To make this clear...John WAS the first to be interviewed and selected for the spartan program.

  • 06.07.2006 11:48 AM PDT

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For once, someone realizes that John 117 is from Revelations, not from John or 1 John.

He's first and last a few other instances in the halo story. Like when he and the rest of the young spartans were dropped off in the snow on Reach.

  • 06.07.2006 1:37 PM PDT
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i doubt that master chief is jesus.....

  • 06.07.2006 1:39 PM PDT

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Hes number 117 cause that was his school number.

  • 06.07.2006 1:40 PM PDT

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No, there are multiple characters and themes that reflect Him, but He is not embodied entirely in anything.

The Arbiter, Johnson, and the rings themselves are candidates for such parallels.

  • 06.07.2006 1:41 PM PDT
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I’m not 100% sure this is right but I seem to remember that in the book the number 117 was John number that a computer gave him when searching for possible children for the program

  • 06.07.2006 1:41 PM PDT
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Has master chief ever wondered why he's not like the other kids? maybe cortana, being in his head so long, knows that he would like to know those things but is occupied with saving the universe. she does, after all, claim to know his past, future, whatever.

and, for the program, i believe clones were made of children and one copy for spartan, one copy for real parents to keep. so somewhere out there, john's clone might still be alive.

  • 06.07.2006 1:43 PM PDT

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There were 150 candidates to be spartans, they were numbered from when they
were chosen to be interviewed, john was the 117'th child to be considered, there is your answer. he was interviewed 1st, but considered to be a spartan before that, and was the 117'th child.

  • 06.07.2006 1:43 PM PDT
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No he wasnt the first, he was ONE of the first according to the Halo novels, because he was teamed up with two other people.

  • 06.07.2006 1:45 PM PDT

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did anyone read my post?

  • 06.07.2006 1:46 PM PDT

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Oh ya, just to point it out, out of the 150 candidates, only 72 or 77 made it, i can't remeber the exact number.

  • 06.07.2006 1:48 PM PDT