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Subject: How is Earth under Covenant Control?

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because you fought your way through high charity and he barely launched the fleet before you get off of it...

or...the fact that the stations wouldn't be all in the same area...earth is a sphere after all....not to mentio nthe covenant now have the ability to do specfic pin point slipspace jumps...

earth forces are spread out and protect the strategic parts of earth... the covenant still outnumber us like 6:1 they have several species within their domain...and if they reproduce anything like humans id say they have the manpower and capacity to dominate us....the first fleet had no idea we would be at earth...the second fleet came prepared...

they didnt however count on internal strife. civil war.



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  • 06.07.2006 3:09 PM PDT
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If your read the books it makes things much easier to understand. the only reason Earth hasnt been glassed yet, which the the Covenent could have done in hours-days if they wanted, is because they want something on the surface (the ark?) but the human forces clearly stand no strategic chance. i believe Conrtana said this during "High Charity" if i remember correctly.

  • 06.07.2006 3:10 PM PDT
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who said EARTH was under the coves control?

so they do not conroll EARTH and they NEVER will. (you got that mister?) lol


Bungie did, so yes, yes they will.

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Posted by: Scythe252
Well, obviously, there are still human ships and MAC stations in orbit fighting. The begining of halo 3 begins right where halo 2 stopped. So, we have the Master Chief landing on Earth, which is 10 minutes to one hour after the "To finish the fight" quote. Why would there still be humans fighting in space if Earth is still under Covenant Control? How could the Covenant all of a sudden take over Earth in 10minutes to 1 hour? Thats hardly imaginable, even for the Covenant.

If the covenant did take over, how did they do it? We are looking at 200 MAC stations, 10 times the amount at Reach. We're looking at devotion, this is their homeworld. We're looking at probably 400 human capital ships. There's probably a nuclear mine field as well. Unless the Covenant came in with 600+ capital ships, in which if so, we are looking at a crapload of debris in space, which I don't see.

Any explainations?



1: Trailer starts 1/3 of the way through the game.... plenty of time for the covies to take over.

2: we have no idea what the status of earth is at the time of the trailer... just wait for the game to come out.

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Posted by: Scythe252
If the covenant did take over, how did they do it? We are looking at 200 MAC stations, 10 times the amount at Reach. We're looking at devotion, this is their homeworld. We're looking at probably 400 human capital ships. There's probably a nuclear mine field as well. Unless the Covenant came in with 600+ capital ships, in which if so, we are looking at a crapload of debris in space, which I don't see.

Any explainations?


It's possible that they figured out that they could jump into a planets atmosphere. If they did that they could take out the generators powering the MAC stations, and then the covenant would only have to deal with the human ships, which would mostly be destroyers and Frigates because most of the cruisers had been destroyed in earlier battles. And I'm sure that the covenant attacked with a lot of ships.



in the books, cortana figured out how to jump into a planets atmosphere using a covenant ship, so its possible they figured it out from that somehow (possibly the covy AI aboard the Ascendant Justice?) so thats possible, but it would only quicken the inevitable.

  • 06.07.2006 3:14 PM PDT

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From what I understand is that the Humans were very afraid of the Covenant finding Earth. This is because they knew that they wouldn't stand a chance.

The Covenant have crushed the Humans in almost every battle, except for The Halo.


How can aliens have a difficult time finding a simple planet. That seems ridiculous even though I heard that in the game.

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Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: Scythe252
If the covenant did take over, how did they do it? We are looking at 200 MAC stations, 10 times the amount at Reach. We're looking at devotion, this is their homeworld. We're looking at probably 400 human capital ships. There's probably a nuclear mine field as well. Unless the Covenant came in with 600+ capital ships, in which if so, we are looking at a crapload of debris in space, which I don't see.

Any explainations?


It's possible that they figured out that they could jump into a planets atmosphere. If they did that they could take out the generators powering the MAC stations, and then the covenant would only have to deal with the human ships, which would mostly be destroyers and Frigates because most of the cruisers had been destroyed in earlier battles. And I'm sure that the covenant attacked with a lot of ships.


There are a few crusiers. But, if they take out the generators, why does the Cairo still have power? There are still at least 15 crusiers remaining, not including Halcyons.

  • 06.07.2006 3:16 PM PDT

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From what I understand is that the Humans were very afraid of the Covenant finding Earth. This is because they knew that they wouldn't stand a chance.

The Covenant have crushed the Humans in almost every battle, except for The Halo.


How can aliens have a difficult time finding a simple planet. That seems ridiculous even though I heard that in the game.


because it has importance to the forerunner and the covenant we (humans) just dont know it yet...

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Because the prophets said, "We'd like to poke around your ring." So the military capitulated.

  • 06.07.2006 3:17 PM PDT

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AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, guys, guess what. watch the Halo 3 trailer. look at the circle
now, turn on Halo 1. look at the underside of the Halo in the main menu. those big circles look familiar? guys...earth is a halo

NO. It's impossible by many things including physics, Bungie's physics, Bugnie's standards for a good game, and commone sense.

The only way the two things look similar is because they are circular.

Did you ever notice that Frisbees and Plates look similar? Are they the same thing? No, but they are made by the same organisms so have a similar design.

Furthermore, there is no reason to build a whole metal Halo under Earth when realistically, two or three structures are needed to communicate with the rings.

The Forerunner sure as hell weren't stupid, but the Halo under Earth's crust is..so is a Halo in the moon..I mean, wtf? Why? You don't need a whole ring for one structure people!

  • 06.07.2006 3:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scythe252
If the covenant did take over, how did they do it? We are looking at 200 MAC stations, 10 times the amount at Reach. We're looking at devotion, this is their homeworld. We're looking at probably 400 human capital ships. There's probably a nuclear mine field as well. Unless the Covenant came in with 600+ capital ships, in which if so, we are looking at a crapload of debris in space, which I don't see.

Any explainations?


It's possible that they figured out that they could jump into a planets atmosphere. If they did that they could take out the generators powering the MAC stations, and then the covenant would only have to deal with the human ships, which would mostly be destroyers and Frigates because most of the cruisers had been destroyed in earlier battles. And I'm sure that the covenant attacked with a lot of ships.


There are a few crusiers. But, if they take out the generators, why does the Cairo still have power? There are still at least 15 crusiers remaining, not including Halcyons.

its a super MAC it possibly has an internal power source instead of planet side. MAC guns have a minimum range not to mention they are massive stations that could only target a new ship only so fast...

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AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, guys, guess what. watch the Halo 3 trailer. look at the circle
now, turn on Halo 1. look at the underside of the Halo in the main menu. those big circles look familiar? guys...earth is a halo

NO. It's impossible by many things including physics, Bungie's physics, Bugnie's standards for a good game, and commone sense.

The only way the two things look similar is because they are circular.

Did you ever notice that Frisbees and Plates look similar? Are they the same thing? No, but they are made by the same organisms so have a similar design.

Furthermore, there is no reason to build a whole metal Halo under Earth when realistically, two or three structures are needed to communicate with the rings.

The Forerunner sure as hell weren't stupid, but the Halo under Earth's crust is..so is a Halo in the moon..I mean, wtf? Why? You don't need a whole ring for one structure people!


LOLOLOLOLOLOL, PMPL, ROTFL, LOLOLOLOL, OMFG, MLG Cheehwawa you are an idiot, frisbees and plates are made up of the same orginisms? OMFG lolololol

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Posted by: Scythe252
Well, obviously, there are still human ships and MAC stations in orbit fighting. The begining of halo 3 begins right where halo 2 stopped. So, we have the Master Chief landing on Earth, which is 10 minutes to one hour after the "To finish the fight" quote. Why would there still be humans fighting in space if Earth is still under Covenant Control? How could the Covenant all of a sudden take over Earth in 10minutes to 1 hour? Thats hardly imaginable, even for the Covenant.

If the covenant did take over, how did they do it? We are looking at 200 MAC stations, 10 times the amount at Reach. We're looking at devotion, this is their homeworld. We're looking at probably 400 human capital ships. There's probably a nuclear mine field as well. Unless the Covenant came in with 600+ capital ships, in which if so, we are looking at a crapload of debris in space, which I don't see.

Any explainations?


Bungie said for themselves weeks ago the trailer is in the middle of the game, at least somewhere to it. Stop whiming.

  • 06.07.2006 3:20 PM PDT

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Then give an explanation as to why there couldn't be a structure on (or in) the moon... they did after all edit an entire moon level out of Halo 2...

and for some reason i dont remember any forerunner structure shooting a huge ass light into the sky for no reason...unless it was a weapon...or it was uncovering an object in the moon

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  • 06.07.2006 3:22 PM PDT

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Well, one salvo should take out 200 ships. These stations fire one round every five seconds. In one minute, 12 rounds can be fired. So, at least 200 covenant ships destroyed per minute.

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And whats 200 hundread ships really? Even if the covenant let them fire a whole salvo the stations are about 5 secs from being intergalactic dust particles.

  • 06.07.2006 3:30 PM PDT

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your not taking in all the facts here though...earth has a huge surface area to defend with only 200 stations...

so what? are only going to put them all over orbit over australia and africa only...(covenant) alrights lets just land on the other side then and come behind them...

see my point... they are spread out. they can't possibly cover every area unless the humans knew where the covenant were going to come out of slipspace...

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  • 06.07.2006 3:31 PM PDT

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So, why aren't they particles already. If the attack begins a bit before the end of halo 2, why is cairo station there.

  • 06.07.2006 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Munsta
AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, guys, guess what. watch the Halo 3 trailer. look at the circle
now, turn on Halo 1. look at the underside of the Halo in the main menu. those big circles look familiar? guys...earth is a halo

NO. It's impossible by many things including physics, Bungie's physics, Bugnie's standards for a good game, and commone sense.

The only way the two things look similar is because they are circular.

Did you ever notice that Frisbees and Plates look similar? Are they the same thing? No, but they are made by the same organisms so have a similar design.

Furthermore, there is no reason to build a whole metal Halo under Earth when realistically, two or three structures are needed to communicate with the rings.

The Forerunner sure as hell weren't stupid, but the Halo under Earth's crust is..so is a Halo in the moon..I mean, wtf? Why? You don't need a whole ring for one structure people!


LOLOLOLOLOLOL, PMPL, ROTFL, LOLOLOLOL, OMFG, MLG Cheehwawa you are an idiot, frisbees and plates are made up of the same orginisms? OMFG lolololol


He said by the same organisms, idiot.

  • 06.07.2006 3:32 PM PDT

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still in the heat of the battle...

not to mentio nnew technology having been implemented during Halo 1 and 2...that would have helped earth defend a little easier...

  • 06.07.2006 3:33 PM PDT

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Covenant can't concnetrate 1000+ ships in a certain area. Not possible.

  • 06.07.2006 3:33 PM PDT

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Yes possible....read the books again....

they have already done it...against reach...they group all their ships together in slipspace to look like (to sensors) like a giant anomoly (meteor that somehow had enough energy to enter slipspace).

  • 06.07.2006 3:37 PM PDT

I put on pants for this?

also, if you just happened to read the fall of reach you might notice that very big ship that fired a pulse of white light that went straight through titanium A armor of that one ship i dont remember, and since truth's fleet is obviously larger there is a fairly good chance of 50 of those special weapons ships. and that my friends is how you take out 300 MAC guns in a very short period of time.

  • 06.07.2006 3:40 PM PDT

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ya those super plasma guns...shooting at the speed of light...crazy good weapons.

  • 06.07.2006 3:42 PM PDT

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